Inside the Margins
Inside the Margins

Episode 23 · 2 years ago

The Understanding Episode


On This episode Patti Siinger and Matt Wilson discuss how understading can lead to progress

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Good afternoon and like that voice you heard just said, this is inside the margins and I'm Matt Wilson, and four the July weekend has passed and it's a weird is a very weird feeling fourth of July because it didn't seem like we are all on the same page, because I'm pretty sure that everyone is on the same page this year. Everyone feels differently about the country right now and I kind of want to get into that today. Usually we have a kind of targeted topic that we want to talk about, but today I think I just want to keep it broad. We're going to talk about just understanding, because right now there's a lot of that not happening. But before we do that, there is someone that I have a pretty good understanding with. It is the minority reporters, patty singer. Singer, good afternoon, Patty, I thought you were going to the interest would be in to get some understanding. Mission is from information to understanding. All right, see, I I hold you by segues aren't always perfect. Where move forward? That's a good call, all right. Oh, clergy, community leaders and police come together to build on community relations in policing. The Monroe County Alliance for transformation of community in police was formed very recently after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, and it brings together pastors, community leaders and law enforcement official officials, and they are going to be taking a long term view of how they can improve on community relations and policing. The Commission on racial and structural equity heads into a busy month. By July thirty one, the commission plans to have its members in place by the week of August three wants to schedule the first meeting. The ambitious timetable was announced at a June twenty nine news conference by Chairperson's William a Johnson Jr, Muhammad Shafique and Arlene Santiago. The deadline to apply to be considered for the commission is five PM on July ten and you can get an application at www dot oc are as ECOM apply. Every vote counts. The board of elections starts on absentee ballots. The board began on July first to count more than seventy eight thousand absentee ballots received for local, state federal primaries, the presidential primary and the special election. Candidates in the public can view the process, which is being held at the Board of Elections Service Center on Brighton Henrietta Town Line road. Official results and certification of the election will not occur until every ballot is counted for every race, and that is expected to occur in the second week of July. The Rochester Police Department says it's Professional Standards Division will investigate response to a June twenty eight incident on Bay Street. The RPD was going to investigate to arrest stemming from an incident in the five hundred block of Bay Street, and the police already have dropped charges in one of the arrests. David Gant passes away at age seventy eight. The Dean of the Rochester delegation in Albany died on July first. His family and his staff announced. In February Mr Gant announced that he was retiring from the one hundred thirty seven New York Assembly district, where he had served since the early S. Mr Ghant was a civil rights pioneer and he represented the district with boundaries that he helped draft, to a lawsuit brought under the equal protection clause of the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution. In opinion, George Payne writes about complicity and modern slavery. He writes it is easy to look at someone from the past, such as slave trading Nathaniel Rochester, and contextualize him for his period, but to take a long, hard look at our own lives and to see how many of us are all too willing to turn a blind eye when it comes to slavery today, that is more difficult. And he writes about the economic slavery in many countries that Americans rely on for their goods and services. In the Biz quiz, can Mitchell gets the question. That person has a small business was contacted to do a job for a popular person. The job went well. However, the client has not...

...yet paid and Kim Mitchell explained how to get the wages the to fulfill the contract that is due to you. And that's the news this week. Matt. Thank you so much, Patti, and as always, you can find the full versions of all these stories that Patti's talked about on the minority reporter dotnet. You also have the opportunity to subscribe. I think this is definitely a time in history right now we're having the most localized information. Is Probably the best for you, and the minority report definitely represents that. So I suggest you certainly take a look at subscribing there. You have an option of digital and also you can have hard papers paper dishes as well. So go ahead and look up that information on the website, right and if you do have any questions or suggestions for the minority reporter, you can submit an email to them by sending it to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. And also on our website at inside the margins RADIOCOM, we have links to the minority reporter as well as all episodes of the show, including this one, which will be on there after, of course, today's broadcast. So check out that website and can also get information as well. We have a subscription button there as well. All right, let's go ahead and take a quick break and we'll come back. We'll get some understanding with patty singer. This is inside the margins. Will be right back. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Welcome back to inside the margins. It's met and I'm here with Patty Singer. All right, Patty. So Fourth of July has come and gone. The weekend was a very warm one, very hot. I also had a chance to I don't usually watch the speeches and stuff. I'm not, I guess I don't know. I just and just recently. I have in the past, but recently just the kind of avoiding, but I did. I just want to see what our president was talking about, and I'm not going to tell you. You know which way to think, but I will say that it certainly was a line in the sand type of speech, pretty devisive one. It's you're either this way or that way, pretty type of speech. So I think we have come to that point now, more so now than even earlier were lines in the sand have been drawn pretty much on on both sides. It's you either feel this way or you don't feel this way, and and if you don't feel the way that we feel, then you are in the wrong. And that's kind of how it seems on either side right now. And there it did. There doesn't seem to be a line of understanding or good communication to try to get somewhere where we all can feel comfortable, and that scares me a little bit and I guess I think understanding is the most important thing because, as you know, if you look at history, once lines in the sand are drawn and people no longer want to talk or try to come to common ground, that's when wars happened. That's why wars happened, because people refuse the budge and then war breaks out. So I just get nervous when I see all the hard line stances and I think it's time more certain, more now, more than ever, that understanding is is needed. We need to start talking and figure out why people feel the way they feel. Because although, for example, I have befriended you, Patty, I've met you through a mutual a person, we become friends and we now work together on this program and I definitely am very happy with our friendship and I cherish it. However, I did not love, I do not live your life. So I don't know exactly what you've been going through, I don't know exactly how you feel. So I don't think that I have the right to tell you how to feel. All I can do is tell you how I feel and tell you why I feel that way and see if you can kind of comprehend that and then we can kind of get to an avenue where we can maybe agree. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, and this time I will switch it. Yes, I agree with you. Know who. I tell another person what to feel and you cannot tell another person that they're feelings are wrong. Feelings are right and they exist for that person. So I don't you can say I don't understand, while you're why you're feeling that way. Tell me, but you can't say he say okay, so that I don't you can say I don't understand...

...why you feel that way. Tell me, please explain to me if you want, if we both want to do the hard work here. I don't think you can say to somebody, why are you feeling that way, because they do exactly say why do you feel that way? Put the value on it, and that's and that's kind of I think that's where we're at, though. That's the problem. I think people are telling other people what they should feel and if you're not feeling that way, then you're wrong, and I don't think that. Anyway, it doesn't matter whether you believe you're right or wrong. And Hey, you actually may be right, and I'm not saying that you're not. I'm just saying that you cannot tell somebody how to feel. You can kind of just like you said, Patty, you can say hey, listen, tell me how you feel and and when you once you tell me how you feel, I may not understand it and I may try to talk to you more to get understanding as to why you feel that way. And your upbringing may have a lot to do with that. Where we come from, the lifs that we've lived, the things that we've experienced in life has a lot to do as to why we feel the way about certain things. I again you and I said I consider you a friend of mine. However, you and I am sure of lived completely different life, so the way you feel about one thing may may not be the way I feel about mother another thing, because we both have experienced different things in our lives. I wasn't in the military. Right, right, right, right there, right, major young we both went to we both went to colleges. Yes, we have higher educations. Yep. So in that sense we may have a shared experience from that. But I'm not in the military and being in the military at a young age will, I'm guessing, been a shape your life, yessolutely for many, many years, if not the rest of your life. Right, you're absolutely right. It's a bad experience. That's a particular way of life. Some people may may try to overcome that. You know, if they're the people may embrace that. Don't know. But right, that's a fundamental experience we have. Your man, I'm a woman, right, that's very true. In this in this country, even though you are a black man and I am a white woman, we share more than you would think. That's actually very true. Right, because, you know, I was as thinking about this the other day. I was a first in two places that I worked. They needed a hire a woman for sports. It was in the it was in the, you know, early to mid S, and you know you had to do that, right, so let's hire someone. Okay, she's confident. You know, I've worked out a pretty dark good I think so they were. They would checking a box. Right, we need a female yeah, she's female, she knows, she know, she knows. A baseball game has nine things. I was give a shot more than that. But but so the point is, you know, I am also, you can say, victim, beneficiary, whatever. Would you want to use a form of affirmative action? HMM. So we have that in tim it. You and I may have more in common than I may have all the white mail. I agree with you. You got to think about this too. We've already had a black president. We still haven't have a female one yet. So so we go through a lot of the same struggles though the life that the walks of Frederick Douglass are similar to the walks of Susan B Anthony. So you know, there's a lot of things that we fight for there are similar the right to vote, the the the white to, the right to equality, all, the right to equal wages. All we've both your sex and my race have gone through all those struggles. So so my religion has gone through a yeah. So, so here's here's here's the thing for me, as I think of what's going on in the last it's only been a month. Yeah, you know. But what I think of is that, and I will mis quote it, but it's a we heard a lot. You know, injustice to one is injustice to all. I I think I understand the frustration and the black community. I think I do, because I'm not black. I think I understand that because I think about women struggles for the vote a hundred years ago and picking that up and putting this down here. What White? What must that have been like? In one of the similarities and whatever I think, for me, for my perspective, is that I I think I get that. It's black lives matter and enough is enough and we need we need this country to realize the systemic inequalities. But injustice to one is injustice to all, and so, using the black lives matter Lens, can we look... justice injustice broader and say we have to make fundamental changes in this in this country and how people, at least publicly, view each other. Privately, you're going to say and do whatever you want, but publicly how we view each other, how we interact with each other on a on a broader, more global view, by using the the latest instances of injustice and violence against black against black people, perpetrated by people in power, and say we need to look at the whole structure here because once, once we have come to the sense that black lives matter and we have done what we one and we have raised at level of equality. Right, if all we do is look at okay, now we serve the black problem, Lgbtq, right, is always going to be some group that is going to be marginalized. Think of it. existem we an economic system that's built on some people have lower wages, less opportunity. They pick apples for us, right. I mean we have economic system based on that. Yeah, so, so do we solve this incrementally or do we do we look at it globally and how we can make some changes that will affect all people? And I will I am going to borrow a line from our mutual friend who introduced us and say, can we also not look at this as zero sum? If somebody is, if somebody benefits, somebody else uses. Right, I win, you lose. I mean we very Glib, expressional to win win situation. That trips off the tongue all the time. No, ever since they stopped having ties in the NFL, that has not been there has been a winner and a loser right. That is permeated our culture to detriment. You can't have a tie anymore. You can't come away with half a loaf, and I think that needs to be reconsidered as well. So what am I saying? I'm saying that, through the lens of black lives matters do we need to look at justice inequality throughout our country, throughout our power see otherwise, I think we're just going to be trading a problem. Yeah, no, I actually hear it that. But, by the way, the name of this program is inside the margins. So we took look, we look at all virginalized groups. But yes, you're absolutely right. If here's the thing too, and this is funny, and this is why I say understanding is so important, some people don't even know exactly what they're fighting for. Some people don't they have no idea. If you actually go to the black lives matt the actual real black lives matters website, they mentioned all the marginalized groups, all, but not all of them. I'm sure there's some that you miss, but they mentioned, I'll be Lgbtq, they mentioned women, they mentioned all that. They're mentioning that they want to stand up for all of that. The whole with the birth of the movement was to bring, you know, justice to people who have been who have seen injustice. But the problem is people take the ball and they run with it the way they want to run with it, and that's why you have one side thinking that black lives matter is a terrorist organization and you also have some people who are part of black lives matter who thinks that police shouldn't exist, and that's exactly not what it stands for on either side. But that's because people aren't trying to take the effort to understand what what people are trying to accomplish her and that's why we need to talk more. Weat to have an understanding. We need to understand each other and see what we want to do. I think it's advocates, we end up looking foolish and doing foolish things if we just say this is what it means, this is how I'm going to think it means and this is not what I'm going to do with it. Why don't you figure out exactly what it means and what we're what everyone's actually trying to accomplish? We want we want everyone to be treated the way, you know, the highest of highs have been treated for the last hundred, you know, two, three hundred years. That is what it is. But people are trying to know. We what we want to do is get rid of police and we want this. And no, that's not when anybody wants. But but that's the problem. We have to sit down, we have to talk and we have to come to an understanding and try to find out what works best for everybody. Well, and nothing will work best for everybody. Somebody's going to... left behind, he's going to be out in front. You look at a road race, if a couple people way out ahead, a couple of people barely make, you know, the five hour cut off, and everybody's kind of in the middle. Right, I'll curb it and and all that. So you so what you need to do is plan help as many people as possible, because everybody, everybody's not going to be not going to benefit. I think that's just statistically. You could. You could say that. So can we get ninety percent? We get eighty percent, you know, I mean how what? What can we do? is going to help the most? The most? Right, yeah, so that we're left behind we still need safety nets, we still need ways in which to assist those individuals. Yet No, you know. No, you're right, you are. That's that's a that's a that's a valid and fair statement. There's IT's pretty much impossible to have everyone be like a high middle class person. And that's not it's not going to happen. Some people are going some through the cracks. You're absolutely right. But again, there's I guess what's what we're going for? Is that the law of averages? Or we can have it. We can have the average person doing and that, when I say person, I mean person, not the average white male or the average blackmail or the average woman or the average indigenous person or the average Asian. I mean the average person in this country is doing all right. That's that's that's what we want. We don't want such a divide where it's like the wealthier getting wealthier and the poorer just getting poor and there's not really anyone in the middle, you know. So you're right. There's there's no way. There is. It's it doesn't matter how how much time this world exists, there's never going to be a way where everyone's going to be fruitful and wealthy and living living the good life. Someone's always going to slip through the cracks and we're not going to be able to stop that, but we can do the best we can and try to make that amount be as small as possible. So let me, let me turn Republican on you here for some Oh. So, where is the role of personal responsibility in this? How do we balance the the systemic inequities that we've had for generations with when we when we raise that part of the scale? What is what then becomes the responsibility? Because this is we are now in. Was it lost, definitely lost for words already. It's gonna be a long, much of a weekend, trust me, folks. So it's we're in and basically it's an intellectual economy at this point. Right is, so there aren't that many. You could back in the hey day of the big three in Rochester. M could make a very nice living in a job that did not require you to have an advanced degree. Right. So what now that there's we're it's an education economy, it's an ellectual economy. What becomes the individual responsibility to make choices that furthers your options in that economy? I think there's definitely a lot of responsibility on your own. And here's the here's I've set this before and I've actually made a video about this because I strongly believe this. I'm Wi you and I, but your and you said it earlier. You and I both we have higher educations, but I don't think a higher education is for everyone. I don't think everyone needs to be in college. There's a there's a you can make a very great living in the trades. You can be an auto mechanic, you can, you can, you can, you can work in construction, you can work in as a, as a, I can't think of the other word, but there's a there's a bunch of landscaping. Yeah, you can, you can do all that kind of thing and you can, and I know people who have their own landscaping businesses or they have their own construct a little, you know, handyman construction contract or independent contractor businesses. Then they do extremely well and they have no higher education and I think that's something that I don't know if that's going to change anytime soon, but I think right now our country is and that and that mentality where it's almost like we're trying to force everyone to go right from my school to college, and I don't think that's for everybody. I don't. I think if you have a passion for something that requires higher education, absolutely go for it, and I do. And I don't want to take away from the college experience, because you're right, if you come from just the inner city or or very rural area,... may not have had a lot of contact with people of different races or genders or or whatever. So sometimes going to college helps you experience and see all these other different you know, the ethic, backgrounds and stuff like that. So that's also for just for general life experiences. That can be good. But as far as for your your working I don't think everyone. There are some people who barely got out of high school. The college is going to be hell for them. If they if they, if they, if they couldn't. When you're in when you're in high school, your parents are pushing you, your teachers are pushing you, you pretty much it's really hard to fail. I mean you can fail, obviously, high school, but it's you have a lot more support this. The support system is a lot better in high school than college. College you're pretty much on your own. If you don't put it in, you'll put yourself into that you're not going to make it through college. So I you can end up with a lot of debt after that too. So I don't think everyone has to go to college. I think there is opportunities and other aspects in life. You just got to you just have to apply yourself right now, and that's the response. We part and and and to make decisions that what do I want to do, and then how do I go about finding the resources that are going to help me get there? No, that you're absolutely right. College is not for everybody. Having taught in college and taught students who shouldn't have been there, but we're there for all the reasons. Yeah, it was frustrating for everybody. They didn't really want to be there. On the first of my family to go to college, they would say that's that's great, you want to be here, you know, but the responsibility comes in and I think having the hard conversations with yourself, having the high conversations with other people. This is this is what I think I want. We can do a whole show on the fact I think that national service should be part of the equation in this country. A number of reasons we should have national service, one of which would be that that young people get assigned to some some sort of task for a period of time and then they may decide, oh, I just got assigned to be a teacher for six months. I thought, I want to be a teacher, I don't want to be a teacher, be something else. It gives people experience, gives them work, experience that he gives them back, lets them give back to their community. So many ways. That's a whole topic for another show. But things like national service can help people, young people, decide what it is they want to be and not want to be, which can save money for everybody in the long run. But to get back to the thesis of this, is the responsibility of if, if all things being equal right, which is what we're trying to get to in this country, or is the being equal is possible right, what then becomes my responsibility in that to make something of my life that I'm going to be proud of, that's going to give back to society, that's going to help my children. You know, all those being equal, what part do I play in this? Something out of our hands, but some things are in our control. Absolutely absolutely, and I think you, you put your play a major role and you make a good pointer because, yeah, you can't, you can't set home and wait for someone to give it to you, because that's not that's not going to have you bear the most fruit, for you know from your tree, if you're just sitting there waiting for handouts. You have to apply yourself. You have to get up off that couch and actually try something. You can't just say, well, I'm going to take this from the government, take that from the government, and as long as long as I give it to you, I'm just going to keep taking it. You have to take put take some onus, on your own yourself. You have to understand I have a family that I need to support, or I have to support myself, or I don't want to live in my mom's basement for the lit for the next twenty years. You have to you have to come to that real realization and say, I'm going to find some sort of and you know what, your first your first job that you get, it may it may not be your career job, and that's okay. The first job you get maybe the job to get you yourself on your feet. It may be the one that gets you that, the money in that the pay rent or to get yourself some transportation or whatever, or whatever you can actually need in life. And then what you get to that aspects, start searching for what you rustually passionate about. But you can't just you can't just work. You can't just not work until you find the dream job. I mean, my God, you know I wanted to be to get into broadcasting. I did. I did so many other things before I actually find myself here because I did I had no idea what I wanted. And and that happens. That happens to everybody, I think. I think everyone goes through a period where you're just kind of working and you my life, but but you can't. Just the point I guess I'm trying to make it you can't just do nothing until you figure out what you want to do. You have to do something. You have to actually try to make your lifestyle better so you can act, you be independent and do your...

...own thing while you're trying to figure yourself out too. Well, and the other jobs that you had, how it? They made you a better podcasting right, because what is it? What is everything that you bring to broadcasting? You bring your experience. Absolutely, Baddy, that's very good point. Absolutely you're right. I I've worked in call centers, worked as a at work of security, I've were, I've done a lot of different things and you're right, at it it gave me, number one, I got to experience the world and many different aspects of life because of the jobs that I've had and number two, it I've learned how to work in an office setting because of the call center. I understand the military, has got me the understanding of a chain of command and also discipline. So all the things that I've done have created the person who I am, and that and the person who why, who has been created by all those life experiences and jobs made it, made made it possible for me to become a person who got into broadcasting. So you're right. I just I didn't sit down and wait for twenty years and say haw broadcasting and just be poor and lived and, you know, live in my mind's basement. You got you gotta do something while you're trying to figure yourself out, and if you didn't have that experience, what was going to go on your resume to make a broadcasting company hire you. It's guys never work before, just all I wanted to do was was all you want to do is hit, hit the Grand Slam right, right. You don't want to get a single, you don't want to get hit by the right right. How to do what you can do to get on base right, and you can't just sit there and swing for the fences. Right, maybe you hit it out, but you're going to strike out and awful lot before you finally put on over the fence. Since I love your sports purposes and you're and you're right, because in baseball that not everyone who gets to the plate hits a home run. In fact, the majority of hits aren't home runs because they're very rare, and that's kind of the point year, that you're making. Is Very rare to come up to the plate and just hit a grand slam immediately without ever worming up or ever play, ever playing a game in your life, and so you have to actually do something. You have to you have to play the miners for a little bit. You have to, you have to, you know, you have to get yourself prepared for the big leagues. If you're not ready for it, then you're not going to you're not going to thrive in that. And that so so, getting back to your original point, well, what self responsibility? You can't. You can't just say I want this and have no plan how to get this. You can't say I deserve this when you haven't done anything to try to get there. Yes, have. We've already made this point earlier in our conversation. Have Women and men, and African Americans, I mean, have we've had a bad starting advantage? Has People have a head started before us? Yes. Are we still struggling because of that? Yes. Are we still equal? No, absolutely not. But we can't just sit there demanding quality and wait for someone to hand it it to us. We still got to get out there and do stuff and and and try to. You know, the people who make the most differences of life are people who scratched and clawed for it and fought for it and did everything they could to get it, not just set there and waited for it to be delivered to them. And then becomes the issue of you know, how how do we raise awareness for this? Do we do we large and the confrontational and whylent. In some cases, I or to cause discomfort. I think there's a not the violence, with the discomfort, the the confrontation. I think there is a place for that, but then I think that has to be replaced by the conversations that are much more difficult to have. I think it's yeah, it's I'm not saying it's easy to have a protest and let's and let's yelling people know. That's that is. That is the skill in and of itself to have effective protests. But then the other skill is sitting down in negotiating for real change. Yeah, I think, and you and I have talked off are about this, I think I'm numerous amount of times. You have to you have to make people uncomfortable for change. Changesn't happen without making people uncomfortable, so that that step is as a necessary step. And Yeah, I'm not, obviously we're not advocating violence or something like that. I'm not saying that you should go flip cars over anything, that that part is something to do with negotiation, but making people uncomfortable, because people don't know that things are wrong until you make them uncomfortable about it. So you had that part is important and then once you've got, once you've accomplished that. Once people are incomfortable, uncomfortable, you have to have the right people in position to speak about it to the other right people. If you...

...just have some angry protester or Wright talking, they're not really going to get the points across that need that that needs to be, you know, understood by the other people. If you actually want change, we have to have someone who can, who can talk in a man and do and deliver the facts and information and in a correct way where the other side understands it and wants to move forward. So you're so to your point, Patti. Yes, the protesting should be done. Yes, people should be made to feel uncomfortable, because that's where you are aware there's a problem. And then we have to have the appropriate people in position to actually talk about what, how to get things done, what needs to be done. I mean again, you know another bad sports analogy is in football. You know the wide receiver. You may use your wide receiver to get the ball to the red zone. I'm not a big football person. I don't know how many wide receivers score touchdowns from the twenty yard lying in. It happens the tight ends, fullbacks, you know, right yeah, along those lines. So, yeah, you there's a different that's a team. It's a team approaching me different skill sets. It different parts in different parts of your game plan. That actually worked. I like that. It was pretty good. You need to assemble a team that can do that, can take various roles. Right, right, you're right, and and that, and that's how I think. That's how it's. It's just like anny. I think it's almost if you talk about even companies or whatever, there's always specific people that are there for specific roles because they do their job very well, and that's which that's what you need when you when you come with at this approach, you need people to raise the awareness and then you need people to actually get in there and get the change is done. And I always get nervous because this is not the first time. I mean, this is a weird time because of the whole covid and everything else that's on top of it, but this is not the first time where people are protested or write it about racial injustice. This has happened many times and the problem is once the awareness is made about about the problems, a lot of times changes aren't made because the people who should be in there talking to negotiate changes. Aren't in there. It's just, Hey, there's a problem, I want to make you aware of the problem. where? Where the problem? Okay, and now let's just ten on with regular life. That and that's I'm always afraid that that's going to happen over and over again. But you need in this case, you need your finishers, you know, people who can give be part of something like the racing and Structural Equity Commission, to sit down there say, okay, this is how we finish this. Right. The skills, and again to negotiation skills, whatever skills are required at that point. Maybe they're more big picture skills, I don't know, but I think it's various skill sets are needed at various times. Yep, I do all right. So we got to go to a break soon, but before we do that, I did want to talk to you. I know you. We were talking affair. You were discussing an encounter with someone that you had. You had. There's a story that was kind of behind that. I just kind of wanted to hear that, if you don't mind. So we're talking about understanding, right, HMM, and basically how we need to understand each other. And so I'm out with a neighbor and we're walking and she says, Oh, I want to go knock on the window of this house. I know the people who live there. Okay, find I'm not going to go knock on the window of some wood peep kids of this windows. So there's a guy out to how to George down watering want. So I'd say to him, boy, we really we really need to rain. Don't wait for more than one reason. And it's like yeah, so we started talking about fireworks and we start talking about people sitting in cars with wild music, house general noise in the neighborhood. You know, two of US middle aged, you know, get off our along kind of thing. You know, kids these days, no reason. We have the best step of the air. When we were kids, we did something. We got a little crack across the bomb just to kind of get our attention, you know. Yeah, so, so what are we agreeing with? What are we what are we sharing our understanding at where? You know, why are people waiting fireworks all night long? We don't understand that. Why do people just sit in a car with the base booming for no apparent reason at all hours of the day? When they turn the car off going of the person's house. Right. We're we're talking about this kids and and respect and trying to, you know, get them on the right path. And so I'm looking at this guy and where. I mean, we could not have been more in agreement about so many things.

Black Man, white woman, right, right. But we live in the same neighborhood. We both get up and go to work in the morning. We're both trying to take care of our property. He's trying to water his lawn, I'm trying to get some flowers to grow. We want we want rain for our yards and we want rain to tamp things down to we get inside and take a breath for a little bit. So so we're chatting for I have no idea. My friend is come back out to her two friends of sitting on the stoop. It's getting dark to find when we end our conversation and walk over, it goes you know him. I got no idea who it is. Just we're just chatting about rain, basically. So do two people. I mean, this is going to go really slowly if you have to do it person by person, right, but it part of it is that is now, if he had said, yeah, I love Big Bass, young cars. It's the greatest thing I want. Maybe the conversation would have ended a little bit early, but he did say, you know, when I was a kid I did that and my mother used to say why your music so loud? Right, you know. So we think you said we found enough things to talk about for fifteen or twenty minutes. Had had we disagreed on everything, I may be looking over my shoulder I find out when my friend was back out. Well, right, I got I got to go, mean while they were waiting for me to finish this conversation. So what's my message? I don't know. Talk to somebody who looks a little bit different but is doing something you would do. Water the lawn, take care of you. I mean, we've got to start with something that is in that we have in common, find something that is in common and then move from there. If the only thing we have in common is, yeah, I wish it would rain for my lawn, a nice chatting with you, right, you still past five pleasant minutes with somebody you might not otherwise talk to. Right. But so again, is that part of the personal responsibility? I have to start a conversation with somebody that I don't know. I have to be willing to feel uncomfortable and start a difficult conversation with somebody I do know. Where is this on me, white or black or anything in between? Right? Where is this on me to start to have a conversation on this? And where is this up to some commission to solve it for me? See, I think. I think that's a great story. You know, another thing that I took away from this, that story too, is it's funny how two people can look and be different but have so much in common. And that sometimes is what you'll find out a lot in life as a people from a lot of different walks of life may have a lot more in common than you think. But there's only one way you find that out, and that's exactly how you did it. You gotta Talk. You got to you got to talk to them to find out what's going on. How do you feel? Do we feel the same way? And some things we feel the see went on differently on other things. You'll never find that out if you don't talk. Well said all right. Well, Patty, I always like talking to you, so thank you so much again for joining us here and inside of margins. It's always a pleasure. Thank you that. I appreciate it and again, like I said earlier, make sure you check out the minority reporter Dotnet to read the full versions of the stories that you heard earlier during the headline new statement. I also say this. You know what, which I've been doing a lot recently, that minority reporters on facebook also, and they have a lot of good videos of a lot of public officials, you know, doing speeches and talking about what's going on the doing a amazing job. I know Patty shot a few of those videos also, so follow them on facebook to check those out. It's always I think it's informational. It's good to see what's going on if you don't get a chance to go out there yourself to see what's happening, sometimes this going on that page you can see the read the reporters for the minority reporter their documenting and filming what's going on live. So check out that and fall them on facebook as well. All right, we're going to take a quick break and when we come back we'll have some final thoughts. This is inside the margins. Will be right back. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins. We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Welcome back and thanks for joining us. I always appreciate you listening to our little show here. All right, just to end the show off. So obviously fourth of July just passed and a lot of people weren't celebrating it as they normally would, and yes, covid had a lot to do with that. A lot of the firework displays were canceled, large cans large gatherings were also canceled. So obviously that would stifle a lot of the celebrations.

But that's not the only reason why people weren't doing it. But a lot of people don't feel less connected to the country as they once did. A lot of those people are African Americans and people who sympathize with the black lives matter cause. Now, I think the speech that we heard, that the president gave again doesn't matter. How you feel, and I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, but it was a line into sand type of speech, through the line, the US first them speech pretty much, and it I don't think that's the kind of speech that we need now, because we are divided and if you continue to give device of speeches, you continue the division. We needed a all is one, inclusive, come together speech, but that's not what we got and I saw some people that I even admire who praised that speech because that's how they feel. And as we just as we talked about earlier, understandings the key here and if you don't understand each other, we're going to keep this division up and we're going to keep we're going to a head an end and a terrible direction. In the end result can be very substantial and bad and devastating. But I what I want to do is I wanted to give an understanding as to why a lot of African Americans still feel the way they feel, specially during these times. You know, it's not like we come from a long line of Bob Great things that have happened, all the terrible things have happened to be after African American community, and as soon as we got here we came over as slaves and after slavery ended, it was still like semi slavery because a lot of African American still worked in like the house in houses as servants or in fee yields, and even when that lessened up, there were still, you know, very excruciating and hard segregation. And even after that ended, there's still wasn't, you know, equal opportunity in the workplace and stuff. So we it's been a one fight after another and it seems like the fight number ends and I don't think that that's understood on all sides sometimes. So what I wanted to do was I want to end with one of my favorite speeches of all time. It is what is the slave? Now, this speech was given by Frederick Douglas. It's called what to the slave is the fourth of July, but this is read by James Earl Jones, one of the great voices ever, not just the not just in African American community, but ever. So listen to the speech and this speech kind of explains exactly why African Americans and people who kind of sympathize with this cause feel the way they do. And that's how we won the show. So enjoy the speech. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. This is inside the merge's fellow citizens, button me and allow me to ask. Why am I called upon to speak you today. What have I or those I represent to do with your national no independence. Are The great principles of political freedom and of natural justice embodied in that declaration of independence extended to us? And am I therefore called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar and to confess the benefits and expressed devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence? To us, I am not included within the Pale of this glorious anniversary. Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you this day rejoice are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence bequeathed by your father's is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought life and healing do you has brought stripes and death to me. This fourth of July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the Grand Illuminated Temple of liberty and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems...

...were in human mockery and sacrilegious irony. Do you mean citizens don't mock me by asking me to speak today. What, to the American slave, is your fourth of July, I answer, a day that reveals to him more than all other days of the year, the gross injustice and cruelty the which he is a constant victim? To him, your celebration is a sham. Your boasted liberty and on holy license, your national greatness, swelling vanity. Your sounds are rejoicing are empty and heartless. Your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence. Your shots of Liberty and Equality Hollow Mockery. Your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, out to him, mirror, bombast, fraud, deception, impiety and hypocrisy, a thin veil to cover up crimes. That would it. They would disgrace a nistion of savages. There's not a nation of the earth guilty the practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of these United States. At this very hour, at a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument is needed. Oh, had I the ability and could reach the nation's ear, I would to day pour forth a stream a fiery stream of biting ridicule, blasting reproach, withering sphotasm and stern rebuke. For it is not light that is needed, but fire. It is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whelwind, the earthquake. The feeling of the nation must be quickened, the conscience of the nation must be roused, the propriety of the nation must be startled, the hypocrisy of the nation must be exposed and the crimes against God and man must be proclaimed and denounced. Do you have a topic that you would like to discust on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at Gmail Dot Com.

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