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Episode · 1 year ago

Deadly Traffic Stop

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We talk about the updated mask guidelines and we discuss the body camera footage that shows the traffic stop police shooting that left a man dead. 

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. Of course, by now everyone start the big news regards to masks and the relaxed rules as far as wearing masks as far and indoors and outdoors, and some stores are already initiating those loosen restrictions. We'll talk of all that later on. And also there's another shooting involving police that we need to cover. A person has is dead and we're going there's a video that has been released of the body camp, so you can kind of see what happened. You don't get all the answers you need, but you release get to see the interaction and Patty and I will discuss that as well. And speaking of Patty, someone who I rely on to bring factual information and that just hearsay. It's the minority reporters, patty singer, Hello Patty, and good afternoon. Hi Matt, happy Monday. Happy Monday to you, Hey. Even though sometimes the news is crazy, I'm always happy to see you on Mondays. Thank you very much. Feeling is mutual. I appreciate that. All right, all right, all right. So let's we'll start with what we've had in the current edition of minority reporter for folks to pick that up and and get more, more news there. Monroe County legislators have advocated for a grant to support arts organizations. Homebound individuals can call for Covid nineteen vaccine. The County is delivering the vaccine, making it available for homebound individuals, in a big step for the county for vaccinations. Stimulus money in the Rochester city school digit school district budget is, quote, a once in a lifetime opportunity more covid news. Ambassadors for the COVID nineteen vaccine are part of the strategy to boost the vaccination rates. The city has started a safety net program for pets so homeowners and renters don't have to give up their pets if they have some home home issues, you know, homeless issues, dealing with the pandemic. Working families candidates want ethics violators held accountable. A temporary boost in the wick benefit may not overcome other barriers for families getting healthy food. Community advocates say that they want more results and not just more reports about Racial Equity National News. Black women leaders declare a state of emergency for vote on the Clark nomination. The Rocky Road to economic recovery is even worse for African Americans and in opinions, greater justice is coming, taking on abusive and dead we policing with new Department of Justice leadership and a message to grads. Spend nine minutes and twenty nine seconds to make a difference, matty. Thanks so much, Patty and, as always, you can get the full versions of those headlines You just heard from Patty by going to the minority reporters website at minority reporter Dotnet. All the full versions of those stories and to be found there. You also have the option to subscribe to the minority reporter. Go ahead and take that up. Advantage of that opportunity. You can get a subscription either digitally or the hard copy. All you got to do is hit...

...on that to subscribe tab. There I subscribe to the minority reporter. I have for a little bit now, and it Ge's a great way to stay informed as far as what's happening in your community. Also, if you have any questions, comments or suggestions for the minority reporter, they certainly are willing to take a look at those. So go ahead and submit an email to them, to editor at minority report at that again, that's at better at minority reporter dotnet. They'll look at your questions and see if they can get that information out to you or, you know, if you have good ideas, they can even do a story in regards to what you're looking at. And also, if you've missed any past episodes of inside the margins, you can go to our website, which is inside the margins radiocom you'll find all past episodes. They're also on IHEARTCOM and wherever you get your podcast. All right, Patty, the two huge stories that happened. We'll talk about the police and the shooting that happened, as well as the masks mandate. This is inside the margins. Hello, welcome back to inside the margins. Patty is with me and this is Matt and so sure by now everyone has heard and regards to the shooting that's happened and body camera footage has now been released and that rockster police shooting. So we can take a we can kind of, I won't say you can get a clear indication of what happened, but you can at least see the confrontation that happened between the police officers and, I believe, the male who was in his twenties or or twenty years old, I believe, and there was gut you can hear gunfire and you pretty much can tell what the end result was. In the other person in the vehicle was not a bit does not appear to be injured or shot. What's your take on the footage that's that was released? Patty, I think what's difficult about it is the the angle. Yeah, well, first of all it's thirty in the morning, qualify, so it's not right yet. So they the officer who is at the side of the vehicle talking to the two people who are in the passenger side, front passenger and rear passenger, has a his using his flashlight right, you know, to to illuminate so you get some reflection. So it's hard to see you also, from the angle body camp. The body camera is sort of the middle of the chest. It's like if you were doing CPR compressions, it's where you would do it, right. So it's in. It's in the middle of the chest, right in the STERNOM, you know. So it sees differently than the IE. Then your eyes see because I'm not what you gotta wait. So you got at least a foot right, right difference, or six or eight whatever right. So the officer there's a stop the car. The video starts. We start to see it. One officer gets out of the CAR. There's a female on the side saying she doesn't feel well. They were going to strong. He asked her, you want me to get you an ambulance? Do you want to sit in my car? You know what? What can I do for you? Bake kind of thing. They have a conversation. It's hard to know with body camp footage, unless it's sort of kind of annotated for you. It's hard to know who's who. Is the footage right? Is it of that off the surer? Is it of the other officer? Right, it's observing it. So it can be a little be a little confusing. So you hear the conversation. He's asking are you okay? You Me? What do you you can ambulance for you? What do you what do you want? Kind of thing? What you how can I help you in a sense to get her make so she doesn't. So she says she's feeling ill. So that doesn't get any worse. Another officer at the car. One officer is gone back, I guess, to run an ID check, for lack of a better sure phrase, ground check, I so right, but whatever. So, meanwhile the officer at the car is talking with the two people in the car. Why do we get stopped? It...

...was a shot spotter. Your car match the description. We we the only car on Lyle Avenue. Will they offer? What is for thirty in the morning? It is likely you could have been the only car on Lyle Avenue at that at that point in time. Right, right. So the person in the front seat you can see his hands on his his thighs. The person in the back you can see him scrolling his phone. It appears at some point he makes a call. It's hard to tell. The other officer comes back. There's a brief exchange. It's a little hard to pick up exactly what's being said, but it sounds like they need to do another ID check or something. That's that's what I clean from it. So the officer taps in the window. Hey, can you open the door for me? It doesn't get a response to that. So he taps in the front window. He opens the door, appears so to lean in to start the conversation with the person in the backseat and you hear gun, gun, Yep, he shouts that out. They retreat. You hear shots. Yes, it is again. The body camera footage is on the officers chest, not. It's not like a go pro so he'll see. Where the hell do I care? Right, right, exactly. So we don't see their gun, or or I couldn't see it. I looked at it on my desktop computer, big screen. It was it was hard to see. They retreat. Shots of fired. Is An exchange. Then there's a, you know, pause and then you hear other shots. The person in the front they're instructing him get out. He's get out. I got my hands up, back up, walk backward down the street. Don't shoot me, we're not going to harm you. You're fine. Just keep walking. Subsequent Angles or subsequent footage you see in here that person continuing back down the street following the instructions of another officer. You hear the officers did. Obviously at this point, other officers have shown up on the scene. Right now, it appears that there's just too in the initial confrontation and ground or your word here. So then of one of the officers is saying to another officers like did you get his name? He said no, I mean he didn't, something like a fake name. So we I went to we needed to ask more, and then I saw him pull the gun from the right side of his waistband. The officer says words to that effect. They wait the period of time they're yelling, you know, stop moving, don't move, because apparently, I guess, there's still some motion in the back seat. Again, there's also a distance. Now they're not right at the vehicle. They look like they're so the vehicles had occurb. They look like they're sort of next to a porch. So if you live in the city, how far could that be? Twenty feet, thirty feet? That I don't know, but there's a distance. So again the body cames on his chest, not and his forehead. So you're sort of seeing right kind of to the door right this I think, I guess there there was some trash cans out. So it's hard to we're not getting the body camera doesn't see. How can I explain this? We don't see what the officers eyes see. Yes, there, we only see what the body some furs. We always see a perspective of the body camera and not what the officer sees. All right, so they call for a shield, which is, I did, some kind of tactical device. It's a big shield. Somebody, I guess, walks behind the shield to the car to see what's going on. So they get to the car. That's just three or four in this sort of formation behind the person with the shield. They get to the car and they locate the gun because meanwhile, when they had called for other officers, there's a call that goes over the radio that says situational awareness to explain what happened. And they said we...

...can't see the gun. So there they are alerting other people coming that we don't know the status of that gun. We don't know the status of the person holding it. Right. So just everybody be aware of that. So they approach the car with the shield. They say, you can hear this is what they say. Again, we can't see it. The gun is in his right hand and then you see a gun coming. You see a gun and somebody says is the gun secure? And they talk about they've secured the weapon. Okay, okay, so that's sort of like the first time. I guessed that me the untrained eye. I'm assuming that is the gun that the individual had right. So it's it's difficult on this because unlike some of the other body Cam footage we've seen where that the scene has been sort of out in the open and so what the officer sees and what the body camera sees is similar. I think of the incident with the with the child. Yeah, yeah, you can. You could see the incident with the with the with the woman on Portland Avenue. There's there's not obstructions this. You can see that doing in small spaces. So you see from a different angle, but you see what the officer sees. In this one we we don't see what the officer sees, or it's very difficult for us. Maybe if you have some equipment and you can slow it down, you know, you can see it again. It's dark. There's some reflection off the back window and then he's you know, if you would ever to lean into the front seat and talk to somebody in the back seat, you kind of twist around and at that point he sees it, he calls out gun gone. And then again there's not an immediate shot. I guess there's a, you know, thousand and one thousand to this, some retreating going on and then there's there's shots it. To my untrained eye, I have no idea if the shot came. You see the glass shatter? I don't. I know nothing about this. I don't know if it chattered from an inside shot or I've no idea. We haven't been told that. There's a news conference on Friday afternoon at which it was incredibly preliminary. What I got out of that? What I took away from that is it the in the interim chief said the attorney general, as of April First Attorney General runs the investigations when a person is person's injured by police, whether they're armed or unarmed, or whether results in a death. Yes, thirty one, right, right. So so what I took away from that and the questions that I asked the chief was, did you do you have to vet every comment? You make by through the Attorney General. She did say the attorney general sort of gave them permission to run to the news conference. I'm guessing that she submitted maybe an outline. You know, this is just a guess, right, but she talked about in the spirit of cooperation, you know, all this stuff. There was there was a probably some sort of conversation or email went back said, okay, you can say this, this and this and this, don't say this, this, this and this, right, which you can release? Right? Sure, right. I'm guessing on that. So it was so the news conference in a way was there was not much there, right, and then they release the footage. I got to tell you, Matt, what just what distressed me earlier in the day and even even in a few minutes, even before that news conference, the assumption that the person shot was black. There was there, there was an elected official sent a news release at four o'clock, at least I received it four o'clock. That was a time stampy light thing that talked about, you know, another black person killed. Hm, at an hour later, like forty five minutes at the end of the news conference, a correction was set and it was another person...

...killed. This is not helpful. People going getting ahead of the fact is not helpful. Yep, now, you as you are a person who has been doing news for a pretty decent amount of time now, and I not as long, but you know. But up there, you're right. The one thing that's really important is to get facts. We Are we obviously we do give our opinion on some things, but before we get I give our opinion, we try to get as much of the facts that we can get, at least obvious. Sometimes you can't get all the facts that you try to get as many as you can before you make an opinion, and I you're right. Just putting out a release or a release stating the color or the gender or the race or anything about a person that you don't know and you're just guessing. That's not good. I can't get behind that. I'm kind of holding my judgment on this right now, patty, until I get more information. But I guess this is how I'll break this down if it turns out, because you're right, you can't really tell how it started, and I will make sure that I divulge my truthfully, I've not had opportunity to see this in it's entirety yet I've only seen snippets. I was quite busy, but I did see I was able to see the that's the shooting portion, the where you hit the bullet and they say gun, gun, gun, and you hear the shots. I saw that portion. What what I'll say is this. If it turns out that the individual was the one who shot first, or even had the gun in the direction of shooting and then the shots came from the cops of that point, I think that helps the police and maybe in the eye of the public that probably will help a little bit. But if, because I think I heard at least nine shots, nine bullets, ninety. At least nine, maybe more, maybe one or so less. Better we're around like nine, I would say. So, if all of those came just from the police and there's no evidence of the gun actually being pointed or anything, and I get if you're reaching for it, they're still going to be your there's a good chance you something bad's going to happen. But if it was never actually turned or shot upon or whatever however you want to say, the doesn't matter what your opinion is. I think that's going to be bad for the police and probably once again a bad look in the community. That's that's my opinion. If it turns out that it just all the shots that you heard were strictly from the police at that one person, and I don't see that turning out very well. I and you and they said brandishing the weapon, and he did. This person did have a weapon. So that that we do know there was a weapon and and it looks at it does appear that that weapon was on this person at some point in time. Don't know exactly the point of how, if it was drawn, if it was pointed at the cop or cops, or if it was fired and then the cops return fire. We I'm not certain on that direction. It's hard and, like you said, it's really hard to tell. You can hear the shots, you can clearly hear them, but you don't really you don't know who you know. You do know the cop, you do know the police shout, obviously, but you don't know who is how it actually initiated. So that's where I'll stand right now. If it turns out that all the gun fire strictly was police, we're from police and the person and the majority of the shots hit the person like from the back or something like that. I think it's not going to be a...

...good look. So the cops call, Oh, gun, gun, are they supposed to wait until the person fires at them? No, that's that's not that's not the state. The point that I'm making a point of making is you, as now I get, I'm a person with military training, not police training, so I know there's a difference. But you know what it takes this to put a person down, and I think you know, a couple shots towards the person and then kind of reassess the situation and if there's still things happening, continue. You definitely continue. But it it may, it may appear to be overkill if all the shots that we hear are are all from the police, when this person didn't shoot it. If, especially, if some person out. Again, I didn't say this, I'm not on. This is not coming for me because I'm still I'm going to have to watch the whole video, but some person said, you know, if the person is like kind of out but they're twitching and you're still shooting, that's that's bad. And there's there's an opinion that that may be the case, where every time the body is twitching they're still shooting. I don't know if that's the case. I'm not going to say that is the case and I don't want to falsely accuse anybody of anything, but I'm just saying if that there is, there is doing what you need to do, and then there is going a step further. And if all the shots that we heard were all from police with when and and again, if the bullets all come to his back, if if there's not like any indication he's turning towards them to do anything, I think it's going to be a bad look and that's just that's my personal opinion on that. Well, they couldn't have shot up from the back because he's sitting in the car. So there's no way that they can be. So that that is just that's that at that angle isn't gonna Happen Right. So this going to have to be if you look at the video, you can see that the can't the angles are there. There are angles. It looks like there's one person on one side of a house and the other person on the other side of the house, right, so they're they're angling in there's it looks to me like there's a triangle in a sense. I got someone. I went personally up. There's a prom eruptive right. So, right, so there's through the windows. It would be to the side. Right. I mean, I'm going to. I'm I maintain that if there's a gun, the gun is coming out of the waistband. It is. It is evident at that point. I will maintain that that whoever you are, whether you're military, whether you're a police officer, whether you are defending your house, right, you know sure whether you're defending your homestead right, you can't wait to see if that person will continue to shoot you. I'm sorry, I can't. You know a split second, right, and you cannot keep waiting the end. When they and when they when they retreat, and then they'd fire. Initially it's stop, stop, put it down, stop moving, stop moving, and then there are other shots. So it's not like you're hearing they're just firing these round consecutively. No, intermittently there. Right. Well, you're kind of speaking to what I'm saying, though. If there's this, there's the shooting that happened initially and then they pull back and they say stop, stop, stop, and then they shoot again. Now, if the person isn't moving after the first time and there's no shots coming back for them pet back from that person and then you shoot again. I'm saying that's a bad look. Well, and we and I don't know enough, I don't know right ballisticks to know subsequent pops that I hear. Where were they coming from? I don't know. No, and that's the thing. That's why I'm not that's the point that I'm make sure it making sure that I'm trying to make is I don't...

...know where those were, those sounds are coming from. I'm saying after we investigate further, correct if we get the information that all of those shots that we heard came from police, no shots came from anybody else but police, and they went in, they shot and they took a break and then they shot again, that's going to be a bad look, I think. Well, and again, we will have to see, because I'm not there. No to see all I all I am seeing is is, you know, this kind of you know, removed through the body camera. Again, I don't even have a good I don't even have a good angle. I don't even have their eyes on this. So they may have seen something right. The body camera if you look at it the body camera, it looks like it's like door level from from from where they retreat back to. So it looks like you're looking at the door of the vehicle right. So again body camera. I don't know how tall these these office there's are. We're going to have it probably at least eight inches right from the middle of their channel. Sure I read there. I agree with you there. They may be seeing right into that car. Now the windows are out, there's no glare right from what the flashlight it's going to be easier to see. I'm guessing they can see. We can't see. No, that is the threat to me. That's the problem with this footage. We don't have their eyes. No, and and we don't have all their we and we may never write see because it's going to be and I don't know, I think I think they were just two initially. So there isn't. I don't know if there's another angle of footage. I don't know if there's. Anybody has security footage on the houses there that they're going to look at. You know that's going to have a different angle to it. Don't know. But that eight inch distance to me leaves eight inches of questioning, but I maintain the fact that he sees a gun, he doesn't know if that's going to be used against him very quickly. Right, you know, no, got to do what he's got to do. Right and again, I want to make sure I'm a'm as clear as I can be on this. I'm not saying if you are if you have a gun on you and if you're if you're looking like you're going to pull on it, you can probably expect that you're going to get shot. I'm so I want to make sure that that's perfectly clear. However, there is also such thing as overkill, and that's all. That's kind of where I'm going with with with there. You are absolutely correct. If you were reacher for something in and you are armed, there's a there is going to be a reaction of you are trying to hurt somebody else, so retaliation is going to be taken upon you and you should expect that. However, if you are now done, the better, the best way I can put it, and there's just like spasms of your body, because that's that's what happens naturally after you know you've been struck by bullets. If there was a second round at you again. To me that looks bad. That could be looked at as overkill. Now, I'm not saying that as the intent. I'm not saying that's what they were trying to do, and perhaps someone did see something that made them think that they needed to do going for another you know, to make sure everything was safe. However, I'm going to let you know in the public eye that's going to look better. Okay, and it it could. But but my point on this is going to be anybody who's taken any kind of firearms training knows that you shoot center mass and you shoot to end the threat. Right, let's basic, basic firearms. Even if you are, you know, a civilian and you're learning to handle you get your pistol permit kind of thing and you take lessons. This is what they teach you in in the lessons. So that's and and again,...

...we don't know. You talk about the body may twit if the guys armed up. We don't know. We don't see it right, we don't see their eyes, so we don't know. And this is this is why people are going to be Monday, Monday morning, quarterback in their agenda. No, Yep, no, I'm no, no discriment there. That that's why I'm I'm not saying it was wrong. I'm not saying it was right. I'm still holy went does a judgment too for further information to come out. I'm just I'm just trying. I'm playing the view of the public after what's been after we you know what's been happening across a nation with brand tailor George Floyd and Daniel prude. I'm just saying, no matter what the truth is, it's going to look bad. If that's the case, that that's all I'm saying. Bring honest of what the truth actually is. It's going to look because you're right, you do want to end the threat. But what people are going to think, okay, was a threat ended and did they continue on? And and that's that's what we're we're going to see an issue and I'm gonna hold again, I'm holding out judgment. We're going to wait until we're going to wait until we get more information and we don't know what how much were we're going to get, but we'll see what happens. But it's with all the issues that have happened, it's obviously going to be an infortunate issue and I don't know what's going to happen within our city, but I hope, hope it doesn't. I'm just hoping for the best outcome. I guess it's all I could say. And we and we know that things have turned bad in the past and I just don't want to go back down that road. That's all. No, but people, we have to we have to let the investigation go, with the investigation goes and get all the facts to it before we put our our own agendas sure out there and say and and fill in the blanks. Right, I will say I will say this. I think we both regard this. It is remarkable of the other guy come up came out unscathed. That is very remarkable. The other guy didn't know with all the shots that happened and he came up with nothing. So I will, I definitely will say that. All right, let's go ahead and take a break. We're going to switch topics now. Now the topic of everyone else talking about, because it was a national announcement from the CDC. And regarding the mask mandate, I wonder what change to make that happen at well, you know what. We'll get into that in a minute what we'll see what we think about this mask mandate when we return from the break. This is inside the margins. All right, welcome back to you, inside the margins. Okay, Patty, I'm sure you are. Have also been made aware of what's going on with these masks. We've been kind of talking about this as it's as it's been going on out things have been changing almost like daily and regards to mask and quarantining and the distancing and everything. And the last we the last the latest update from the CDC directly was that if you are vaccinated, for the most part you can be massless. Now there there are some exceptions with this call. If you are in a place of transit or mass population, such as buses, airports, train stations, subways, stuff like that, you still have to be masked, but as far as going to place like grocery stores or anything like that, apparently the CDC says if you are vaccinated you are allowed to be unmasked. Now there are, have already, Patty, been several stores that have announced that they are going to allow shoppers to come in their stores without masks. Walmart, trader Joe's, I believe, Costco and there might be a few that I'm missing. I don't I don't have them all by do you know? Those are three of them, and they're going by the honor system, meaning they're not requiring proof of vaccination. They're just going to assume that you are under yet you are vaccinated if you're not wearing your mask. Now,...

...the one thing that's still we have to keep in mind, patty, is that New York is really in charge of what happens, and Walmart and the other stores also said that that even though we as a company are saying it's okay because because of the CDC, you still have to follow your states and your cities and your areas and your districts regulations. What say you on this, Patty? I say it I think it's a mistake. I'll be honest with you. It's interesting. So I was in a neighborhood, I did some business in my neighborhood the other day and I went in and I was there room very many people. They are the proprietors did not have a mass. The other customer didn't have a mass. I was the only person. I had a mask on and I'm thinking this is you know, it took me a second. Yeah, say, Oh, they don't have mass on what's going on here, and I have been places where I have oh Jesus, yeah, well, we put the mask on right. So I have kind of ever got the everyone's down. Yeah, myself, I am a cautious person and I think you know, on Friday we had a hundred and eighty eight new cases and the positive rate for Monroe County was three point two percent. The positive rate is going up in Monroe County now. That maybe because tests are going down. So that is so. So I don't know. That's my question for Mendoza this week. Is Too wise the positive rate? That's a fantastic question. Probing going actually, a friend of mine gave it to me, so I'm not gonna I have to be your just some credit right. But and that maybe it may be primarily because of kids under ten, under tens, the teens and in the twenty year olds are really the numbers just have been ridiculous in the group for a month or so. I I think it's premature, I'll be perfectly honest with you. Be because people who aren't vaccinated are going to not wear a mask. That's going to be my guess and I got to tell you, Matt, really, what's the difference? I went to a large grocery store the other day and lots of people just barely had the mask covering my mouth. Right, that's all out exactly. So really, and and this particular merchant had never enforced yeah mask anyway, there's a couple. So yeah, yeah, so, really, what's the difference? I just think it's I just think it's too soon. I would like to give it masks all the way through the summer, unless you're outdoors like it was, like it's always been your outdoors and you're playing and you're running and your bite whatever. Fine, but when you're with a group of people, I would still argue masks or appropriate, unless they are your immediate family in your house and you know they've all been vaccinated. Yep, I agree. I will say this a patty. I personally know a person and I'm not, I won't, I want out this person, but I personally know a person. Personally know that's whatever. That's done to say it that way, but you know what I mean. He has no plans on getting back there. He's a he's about fifty years old. He has no plans on getting vaccinated. Ever. He's he has just he says he's not anti vaxs, but he just doesn't want to. And he was. He always made jokes about getting like a fake vaccine card or something, and when he heard this news, he he was excited because he's like, oh now I can just go it where I want to and I won't have to wear my mask. So there are going to be people like that that are going to be out there, that who are just going to be walking around mash list because there is the honor system. Also, schools are still questionable right, because kids still under sixteen at this point can't get vaccines. They cannot be body. Twelve to fifteen, then the younger click younger. Thank you, I'm sorry. Yes, thank you for that. Correct.

You're absolutely that. That was recent and you are absolutely correct. Twelve to fifteen now ken and they're still any air running test constantly now for the younger, for kids even younger, but right now, at this very moment, there's still not able to get vaccine. So, like you're kindy Gardener's and your and your first graders, they're still not able to get vaccinated and a lot of younger people because they are younger and they are under that guy's of Hey, I am young and I don't have as much to worry about. I'm that what's called a the at risk population. So I don't really care about vaccines. They still are carrying a lot of that covid around. And also, I don't know if you saw this, Patty, I saw saw study. A lot of people who work and nothing, not the actual people who live in nursing homes. A lot of people who work nursing homes are not getting vaccinated and that's I didn't see that. I didn't see that. I don't know what. I don't know what homes are doing. I know I know that when it's flu season, if you don't get a food shot and your work in healthcare, you have to wear a mask. That was prior, you know, to to all of this. So I'm not I don't know what the regulations are for nursing homes. You would think that they would require yeah, I wish that the numbers are front of me. I actually I just I was doing a row up something about that a few days ago. But yeah, there would. They're still. There was a very over not overwhelming, but a surprising number of actual employees, for at nursing homes who weren't getting Vay, who decided they didn't want to get vaccinated, when they're actually within in the actual vicinity of at the most at risk people at think around really. So that's that dead to me surprising. So I'm with you, I think. If you're going to be outside, that's one thing, but if you're going to be indoors, still might want to be cautious. Right. And the the weekly Covid news conference call on Thursday, Dr Mendos are talked about the number of cases among young you know, young children now who still can't get vaccinated, and the issues in daycare. Right. There are some some issues there. If you know, if a staff doesn't want to get vaccinated and these younger children can't get vaccinated, I mean the whole idea about vaccination is again, what is it? What do we as a society? Do we look out for each other or do we look out only for US elves? If we look out only for ourselves, we do whatever we want. If we look out for society, we listen to reasonable people who give us facts and say the vaccine is going to help me and it's also going to help my neighbors and we do things for society. Right, right, I think, and that's all. I look at it too, and I know this is one thing that I think you and I've been almost in locked up with ideals on. This is my overall concerned is a general, general population, not just myself. I want to make sure that I'm protecting the community. I know what I've been through and I know that I'm vaccinate. Again, I've already I've already disclosed it. I had covid so I had covid and I've been vaccinated. So I know that my immunity is pretty is probably pretty decent at this point. But still, I still wear a mask almost everywhere I go. When I'm indoors, almost every time, no matter where I'm at, if I go indoors, I almost always wear masks. Outside is a different story. I am I'm a little more loose when I'm outside because I'm I kind of think the being outdoors. It's it's probably a better thing. But indoors, when I just want to disturb, not that long ago, mask on. That's just mindset. Until I know that the hey, we're seventy percent vaccinated or hey, the the the rates are extremely low that I'll probably feel a lot more comfortable about it. But you're right, it's still none it. We're still not out of the place where I'm that comfortable with not being masked indoors. Well, I gotta tell you what. You know with variances and things like that, and I'm probably more concerned about this now that I was six or eight months ago, I'll be honest with you, because I think then people had a heightened awareness of it and they were doing the right thing. Now is people were slacking off. I'm more concerned about it. Yeah, I think there's a big push to get things back to normal and businesses that to operate fully.

I mean has a lot to do. I'm again, I'm just no proof on that, but I think I do's a lot to do with why this is happening. So I still urge everyone who's listening to this program to please be cautious and also understand that we're still under the New York state mandate at this time. That can change at any moment, obviously, but at this time New York state mandate still says that we need to be masked indoors and the social distancing policies. and I wonder also, even if they do remove the mass mandate here, how that's going to affect restaurants and bars, because those tend to be crowded, you know, especially like bars. They're usually jam packed full of people shoulder to shoulder. Do you really want all those people in there drinking without a mask off? I think that's it. That might that might be a little that might be a little throwing caution to the wind there, if you're going to be out with, you know, a bunch of strangers who are drinking, who are probably not being the most sanitary at that point in time of their of their lives. Well, I mean you could always argue you years ago, that people would do these studies. Of they would, you know, they would do some kind of thing with the key nuts on the counter right, everybody reaching in and and you know, all that stuff, and and things like that, so that you know in a sense that the stakes may be a little bit higher now, you know. And then it well, I have read stories. It said will will I saw a read a story the other day Major League Baseball and they're going to start allowing more fans and yes, our people going to go. So the issue is you can, you can have a hundred percent capacity. You can, you can do all it. Will people show up right? Some people will, some people won't. Now I know the red wings as their home opener on Tuesday, which is tomorrow, and I know at the time again, this could be, this, could have this could change by the time I'm saying this, but they had as they're going to have a section where people who are vaccinated are going to be allowed to sit and there's going to be a section people were unbeck faing gonna be allowed to sit and they're gonna lessen the lesson the dissiscing restrictions with the vaccine of people. Now everyone's still required to wear masks, according to revings. Right now everyone, whether you're vacs unvaccine, you still got to but as far as discissing goes, you are allowed to be closer, within closer proximity in the vaccinated section then you are in the non vaccinated section. But again, as as things are loosening up now, who knows, that could they could change that or this could be the only game where they do this. I don't know how that's going to go going forward, but that's the last that we heard of how the reddings are doing that. Well, my question is, so you have vaccinated concessions and unvaccinated concessions, of vaccinated rests and unvaccinated restaurant rate? That's a fan. I mean, I don't you know, do you? If you you is vaccinated on the first Bay side and I vaccinated on the third day side. What's I don't know. I don't I don't know. So that's what I'm not going Tuesdays, but I'm not going to be able to report to you on how this house is. No work out. I wish, you know, I could, I had a had an opportunity to speak with some of the people there. The real was I I wish I would have thought of that question. That's a great question. Are there separate concessions for the vaccine ad versus the unbank to that wonderful question? Well, we're going to find out relatively soon, I guess. Yeah, if that's the case, all right, patty, thank you so much for helping me with these topics. Then know they're they're both. It's a lot to a lot to digest in both of these and there's an obviously both of these are going to unravel further as the days go on, so keep your eyes and ears peeled and, of course patty and I will continue to bring the updates that we do next week. Whatever we know, we'll discuss that then. But until then, the headlines that you heard petty talk about earlier this show, they are you can find them on the minority reporter dotnet. Again, that's minority reporter dotnet. All those headlines that you're heard, including another big...

...one, the school budget. They you guys talk about that. So that's that's definitely something you might want to look at on the minority reporter. Also, any questions, comments suggestions you have, you can and send your emails to editor at minority reportercomic and that's editor at minority reporter. dotnets are not cab dotnet. And also when you're there you'll see the option to subscribe. So you should take advantage. I don't say should a lot, but I will say it now. Take advantage of that opportunity to subscribe to the minority reporter. It's a great publication. I am a subscriber. I'm a happy subscribery. I got like great a lot of great information that you get about your local community. You get the option of digital or hard copy, so go ahead and take advantage of that opportunity. And also, if you if you're tuning in right now, you've missed the majority of the show. Effect. The show is over, but that's okay. You can go to inside the margins radiocom you listen to any previous episode of this one in its entirety, also on I heartcom and wherever you get your podcast. All right, Patty. Shall we do this again next week? I'm sure there'll be a compelling reason. That's a great it's a great point and for Patty Singer, I have that will said. This is inside the margins and we will see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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