Inside the Margins
Inside the Margins

Episode 2 · 2 years ago

The Minority Reporter's Patti Singer


On this weeks episode of Inside the Margins our guest is form reporter for the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle and current reporter for The Minority Reporter Patti Singer.

You're listening to one hundred point nine FM, W X R LP in Rochester, New York. The whole of extreme and dependent radio find us at one hundred nine xiiicom. Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello, thank you for joining me once again for inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and I have a special guest today with me. We do a lot of news reports on this show and we've been using AP News, but I recently have been put on too, an excellent paper that I think touches to the hearts of the people that I'm trying to reach on this program and it definitely covers issues that are important to me. So I like to welcome to this show patty singer. She is a comment columnists and porter for the minor reporter. Good, good afternoon. How are the bad? Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here so let me start by doing this. I excited. I found this interesting. I read the mission statement from the minority reporter and this is how it reached it says it is the purpose of minority reporter news to foster self awareness, build community and empower people of color to reach their greatest potential. Further minority reporter seeks to present a balance view of a relevant issues, utilizing its resources to build bridges among diverse populations and taking them from information to understanding. So tell me, how did you come up with now as did you come up with that mission? Know, I I heard that. So so let's go back a little. Sure. So my history in the community is I came to Rochester in one thousand nine hundred and eighty five to work for the Democrat and chronicle. I held numerous positions there. Some people I'd be honored if they remembered me as having covered the red wings, for I do so I do thank you for that. When the papers merged I took a new position. I went the features department. Several years after that I moved to news in two thousand and nine, where I covered the health beat until just about a year ago. Two Thousand and nineteen. I took a buy out that the company offered at that time and ended up a couple months later meeting Dave mclarrey, who is the publisher of minority reporter. We had a couple conversations. It was a good fit for both of us and so I was very pleased to join join the minority reporter. So I've been there seven or eight months and it's been a new challenge and very exciting for me because at the Democratic Chronicle I was in you know, we had beats there, sure. So. So my last beat was health and I branched out a little bit and did some news and did some other things. But with the minority reporter as the lead reporter there, I am covering everything, you know. So I never covered city school district before, right so a few months ago and now your roll up my sleeves and and get right into it. Politics, you know, I did my election story here and there, but was never really involved in issues. And so with the the the past election, we did a QA with Sandraw Dorley and Shanie Mitchell and and with done all foe and Adam bellow. So you know, I have I'm learning many more things about sureity, absolutely, and I work in my little nitches health reporter. I still do some hell stories, but I've I have broadened out. So No, I the mission statement was there and I have walked in to embrace that as excellent. Excellent, and I want to touch on what you just said. I actually met you on a different show and we you were talking about your sports background in the how long you've been doing sports and covering sports for the DNC. So how did you transition from doing sports to getting into that the minority reporter? Well, that was it was a long time. So sports was a long time ago. I left sports in ninety one when when there was a merger there, because I as a as a female sports reporter, I was aging out. I'll be perfectly honest with you. I enjoyed sports, but you know, to be asking twenty year olds what pitch they hit for a long run it was. It was not going to be interesting to me much longer. So I was fortunate that it came the merger. Different opportunities came along in a good time. So I...

...moved into different styles of writing. The big change was really after I left the DNC through the buyout. What did I want to do. I still wanted to be involved in the community. I still wanted to be involved in journalism. There was wasn't really a place for me where I had been, and so finding finding a new place to be in using the skills that I had developed over thirty plus years Democratic Chronicle and however many more years before they sure people. We want people to do the math. But how old I am? Yeah, but you're young. I'll I'll see you're younger, friend, but don't nope. So I was also reading the minority reporter and I saw that you cover more than just African American. You going to Latino as well with a different form of the paper. Is that accurate correct? Of those, the most covers the Latino community. Minority reporter, we come out once a week with with a PDF leve os. We come out once a month with a with a print product. I want to go back to something know about our mature statement from information to understanding. I think that is crucial. I agree. Can get information. I mean, hopefully you're not schooling on your twitter feed while you're listening to us, but you had the multitask. I get that. You don't have to put it down then now that I called you out on it, but you know you're schooling your twitter feed, you're looking at facebook, you do you can get information ever, literally everywhere you can get information, but where do you get understanding? I think that's the key really now for all media to help people understand, and that can be inside and outside your political bias. I'll use that word. I think you're bossibly your political alignment. You need to understand. If you're repolic, you need to understand what that means. You're Democrat, you need to understand what that means. For Independent, if you would return, you need to understand what that means. And if you're not one of those, I think you need to understand what it means even more so I'll have discussions with my colleagues and I'll say when they'll be my editor for me and proofrey stuff, and I'll say is, can somebody understand this? Am I doing more than just giving the WHO, what where? I think it's crucial that we bring in the why and the how, sure without editorializing on that. You can do that without putting your bent on the story right, and that was actually into a question I was going to ask you. I want to ask you how do you feel the minority reporter compares to traditional newspapers and how does it stand out from those traditional sources of news? I say this I don't chase ambulances. Okay, there's a lot of the the breaking news we can't do. We just we're just not set up to do that. But if if we see a trend in all the breaking news, wait a minute, we have to look at something all. Give an example. Last probably early fall, I did a story on the OPIOID epidemic affecting the black and Latino communities. So so there was there was a trend story. Right. So we bring out opioids for years. Well, how does it affect this particular segment we all hear about? Oh, it's, you know, it's a young white male problem. It's in the suburbs. They come to the city and buy their drugs, but then they die on a sober right and it's a white person's problem. Well, it's everybody's problem. It may be more of a white person's problem, but each month, according to law enforcement data, between nine and twenty six percent of overdoses, not necessarily fatals, but of overdoses where people of Color in someone's that's one quarter of its one in four people right, you're dosing is someone of color. That's a story that needs some understanding across the community. So it's not just a white person's white male disease. It's everybody's problem. That's an example of how do we find how right follow the trend and make it meaningful, I think, and that's a great point. I know I heard a lot of people and the minority groups and other groups say crack was more of an African American epidemic and the hope the OP worid epidemic is more of a white epidemic, and I always believe that was false as well. So I think that's as a great point that you make. And speaking of fake a false and fake although you do want to gather understanding when you report news, obviously you want to stay away from all the fake news that everyone's been, I guess, talking about nowadays. So in a world filled with fake news, how do you ensure that you're getting the right or the factual information out there, even though you are trying to make sure that people are understanding what you say? Obviously having facts is still very important. If somebody doesn't like your facts, they will say...'s fake. So, so, so fake news is actually anti fact news. It's it's I don't agree with the facts. Two plus two doesn't equal for in my book. So so, that's wrong. So I think we all need to get back to a fact world. We don't have to agree or like the facts, but facts or facts. The Sun rises in the East, all right, I mean that's a fact. You may your bedroom may face east and you don't like it in June when you wake up at five o'clock, but that's that's a fact. Reality, right. That's right, exactly. So we have to face reality and we have to face the facts. We don't have to like the facts, but we have to acknowledge that that that is a fact. I think dealing with acknowledge sources, people who have track records, official sources. Again, you may not like it. So there may be members of any community that doesn't like police for whatever reason, but when police issue statements, they're they're not they can't make it up. They're not making up. You don't have to like what they say, but if they got something wrong in in part one of their investigation, they correct it in part two of the investigation. So often why they say the investigation is ongoing. It's often why details are very sketchy at the beginning, because they don't want to put something out there that they're going to have to walk back because they just didn't have the information at that time. So if we want to avoid faults and fake let's stick with the facts, let's stick with the facts as we know them at that time and realize that we will get more facts the more we look into lawn or and investigate situations. That that makes sense? No, it does, it does. I think an issue that I've run into is there are so many opinion based news programs out there now that sometimes people don't understand that their opinion based news programs like Hannity or Limbaugh or any of those radio programs, or even writers who write stories, even though they do include some facts and the reporting, they are still giving their opinion about what's happening and I think a lot of times when people look at news, they they failed to they they call it fake news because they think that's news when in fact is actually an opts an opinion piece at that's being given. Would you agree at that? Say Right, that's yeah, there's, there's there's a lot there. On me see if I can, if I can keep my my training on that right. So so there is. There is what I try to do, which is report. So I get the I get the fact like Joe Joe Fried around and Dragon. That just the facts, man, my. So, so I get the facts and I try to present them in a way that this happened in, this happened in, this happened and this happened in this happened, and then sort of way out things for them, sort of a straight news story. There's feature writing, which I'm writing about you, right, and I'm gonna write about them will. So I'm going to write this feature about him. Yeah, and I'm going to say what his background is and which Brock Bard and need does this end third and all that. I'm going to put that there, but I'm going to write it in a way that it more tells us story. Right, once upon a time there was this guy who who has this great idea for a lot of radio shows and how how he did that. So that's more of a feature story. The facts are still the facts. He's he's this old, he grew up here, this is this is his background, this is his resume, this is what he wants to do, these are his quotes in a sense, and then there would be a column that I would do about I would write a column which would be my opinion about why people from communities that don't always get a voice should have their own radio shows. All right. So we went from from just just the facts to a feature about him to then me interpreting why this is a good or a bad thing. Right, right, my, my opinion. Now one of the ways that readers can see what is opinion and what is not is often mine. Our reporter does this as well. My picture doesn't appear with my articles. It's just the byline. When you have a true columnist, there's going to be a picture or there's going to be something that's going to say column. We have your judge pain, we have how to Eg that their picture runs with with that, so you get a sense of okay, this isn't going to be a straight new story, this is going to be the person's opinion. Right, that's very good point. So, and you know, I'll be honest with you, I was a little distressed when I read my Democrat at Chronicle this morning to find out that it appears they're going to do away with the Saturday opinion and I it's as a reader. I'm saddened by that because I think people need reasoned opinion, they need different points of view and they need to get that as often as they can and it is sad for me that the major print publication in the community... not going to is not going to do that one one day a week. That's that's sad for me because we we need that back and forth and we need it's hard to say do we need more opinion the less? But we need reason to pay reason opinion because again, that it. Again. I'm not giving you opinion in in the articles that I write, but I'm trying to bring you from information to understanding. Right, column this do the same thing. They take information and they try to make you understand it, granted from their point of view, right, they kind of process that. Thomas Wonder Pitt's Dana Milbank in my season. They can write about the same topic and you're going to get different points of view from that, but hopefully that will help you understand that topic more, not just the you know, the president ordered the killing of the excuse me, Iranian general right, kind of thing, right? Why? Let's get let's get we need to understand this, not just have this piece of information. All Right, I'm talking with Patti seeter. We want to take a quick break and we'll be right back. I want to talk about the cover story for this week's minority reporter. I thought was very interesting. It's about the Rochester City School district and Dan White, and we'll talk about that more after this break. The bread back. This is inside the margins. Min You're listening to inside the margins...

...on one hundred point nine W Xier, extreme independent radio and Rochester's Urban Alternative Music Station. All right, we are back. This is inside the margins, and I am your host, Matt Wilson. I am here with journalist, count columnist. She doesn't want to be called editor, so we'll be back on. She is. She is the minority reporter. This is Patti Singer, and thank you again for joining me. I definitely appreciate that. So I recently subscribe to the paper, by the way. It's a fantastic paper and I can't tell anyone what to do. This is a nonprofit or show, but I suggest you go to the at least the website minority reporter Dotnet to take a look at it and you know, you'll see that this is a great paper. And I want to talk about the cover story that I saw, and it really it was regards to the Rochester City School district, the budget shortfall, and the title was a school board President Van White used the African word I'm Buntu to provide kind text for the problem and it's aftermath in his remark to the city council in the days after the shortfall was announced. So let's go ahead and jump right into it, Patty. What is I'm Buntu and why was it used in this context? Well, it was intertually. So I attended that that session of the city council finance and in in Van White's remarks he said the word numerous times and afterwards I thought I want to talk to him about this because it's unfamiliar to me, but it's obviously he was making a connection there. So we talked about it. We finally got chance to sit down a couple weeks afterwards. I am because we are okay. So his his his point, and this was that yes, the city school district bears responsibility for what happened and there are state and federal bodies that will investigate to find out exactly why. But the way he explained it to me, and you can read it, because the article is a question and answer, it was not. It was not a narrative. It was I had used using his words explain why why he said this, is that no one exists in isolation. Right, there's all different ver no man as an island, whatever, whatever phraseology you want to use for that. You were not alone. Whatever. What what an individual does affects the people around an individual and what what other people do affects that individual. So the point that he frequently makes is that the city has kept the financing, its financing for the school district at one hundred nineteen million dollars for twenty years. MMM, gods inflation, regardless of needs. But a right that's the district has received out of that, the district has to reserve a certain amount of money that's earmarked for certain types of things, right. So it's not a hundred nineteen million that you can just spend for educating students. The other point he makes is that suburban districts, charter schools, have sent back to the district, some of the students who have, I'm not gonna saying this, respecial needs, but but higher needs. He talks about that. It costs, I think roughly on have it in front of me, but about fifteen thousand dollar difference to educate a student of special needs and it does a student in the general population. If these, if other districts act in a way that places more of a burden on the city school district. That is and Wuntu, because I am, because we are. That is that is a sort of collective what he calls collective impact, shared responsibility. Right, nobody's an island, nobody's just out there doing their own thing that doesn't affect anybody else. We're a collective. We have to work together. One of the things that he said, it's also in the article, is that as an example of coming together, that he he has talked several times about a...

...tension, I guess sure is one way saying it. Yep, between you know, this kind of sort of triangle here of their city hall, there's a school district in there and there's the county. Right, how many, how many? How long of you lived in this community to hear about we should have county, White School district whatever. So we good City Hall, we've got the county and we've got Rochester City School district, and sometimes they're not all on the same page and sometimes they have different, different goals, different ideas, different agendas. One of the examples he gave all of this working discollective that I know what I do affects you, is the mayor wrote a letter to the superintendent. I. Late September. We octo, right, remember the exact date. That said, hey, we will make our finance team available to your finance team. Let's work together, right, realizing that we are in this together. Yeah, it may have started, this problem may may have started at on West Broad Street, but it affects Church Street, it affects main street, it affects all it effects everywhere and we can't just send somebody out on an ice flow off to Valhalla to, you know, to figure this out. We have to work together. So so he's embracing this. He's not trying to point fingers. That one person won't do. Does not point fingers. It accepts responsibility. Huh Right. So what is? What is, you know, if he's listening helpout home and not putting words and and fans about to understand. But, but, he is said, the school district accepts responsibility for its share of the problem. But the but there are other people who also need to realize there is a collective, there is a shared responsibility. He will often point to what he calls thirty Church Street, a hundred nineteen million dollars. He talks about that frequently. Why has that aid stayed the same? The district does not, unlike in the suburbs of Rochester, school district doesn't have doesn't send the voters, you know, to vote on the on the school budget. They get they get from from the city sore. Where's the shared responsibility for the Situation School District Poverty? How will we addressing that? That is reflected in what happens in the district as well. So you can't just look at one thing. Yes, somehow something happens, somebody messed up and there's a potential huge shortfall. The state controller, the Federal Securities and Exchange Commission are going to investigate all the nuts and bolts of that. Meantime, how were we as a collective? You know I am because we are going to try to find some solutions to this without, you know, sticking somebody's finger in somebody's chest going it's your fault, you're responsible. Right, you fix it right and I think that's the way if you're going to improve anything, you can't pointing figure never figures never really solves anything. You got to work together and accept the hey, there's an issue here and I'm part of it too, and we all have to kind of come together to fix us. I'm talking to patty singer, the minority reporter. You if you're listening today and you don't hear the AP news minute, we're going to bypass that today. Today we're just going to focus on the minority reporter and some of the stories that it covers. And also, I read, I did read this to that you also take suggestions from people to for stories. Is that accurate, that people can actually send emails or or submits, you know, suggestions that ask to what they want to hear or see talked about in the paper? We would like that because we want to reflect what the community is talking about. And you know, it's just like all news organizations can't be everywhere. So all news organizations rely on people contacting them with with hey. Have you thought about this or or he's a tip here, or can you think about think about this, give us enough information so that then we can make a decision on whether we feel this is going to have a broad enough topic for folks or if it's just, you know, one particular neighborhood, or is it numerous neighborhoods? You know, have the city at large that will have a broad enough interest for for our readers. And our readers are city, suburbs, sure, anywhere with as an Internet connection. Our readers to me that the paper is unique. I've read some other periodicals that are maybe try trying to do similar things, but this paper does stand out to me. Do you think this is a kind of a broad question the reach that the reporter has now. Do you think there's a way to get to extend the arm of that reach, to get more people to read this pure this periodical and see the differences between this and the standard news and see that it does focus on what's happening in their community? That you know, that is that is our goal. That that is definitely our goal to to expand our reach for a variety of reasons. I mean, we we want to cover this community and... know, even though you talk about any community you talk about, whether it's what is considered a mainstream unity, whether it's considered a minority community, a niche community, has its own diversity. So our goal is to try to reach into the diversity of the community. And again, what's our tagline? Right, information to understanding. Right with with that, that guides me in the sense of I want to pursue a story that is going to help people understand something. You know, yes, I'm going to give them some information, but my goal is that within that information they go hmm, okay, I think I'm getting it now, right, right, I love that I got I want to. I know I asked a lot of questions about the paper. I'm going to ask you some specific questions at our next break because I want people to get to know you as well, Patty, because I think you have a great background and you have many years and news. Again, you know, you're still very young, so we're not going to distance, we're not gonna die ball term many years, but you have a decent amount of years in news. So we will get some more questions asked to Patty, and don't forget if you have questions or suggestions for our show. You can always email us at inside margins at GMAILCOMIC, and that's inside margins at gmailcom we will be right back talking with patty singer, the minority reporter, right here on inside the margins. 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I tell you I love you, but you won't believe it's true, more precious than silver, precious down. It would if you didn't help together. But face time love, but this time it would mean. If you do... have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins, we would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. All right, welcome back. This is inside the margins. I am your host, Matt Wilson, and in the studio with me today is patty singer, the minority reporter, and it's again great to have you in studio and thank you for Jodan yet. I certainly do appreciate it and it's it's great to get to know you and read more about the paper. I think it's fantastic. And now I want to I want to switch it up a little bit. We've been talking about a lot of the topics and and things like that that the man, your nory reporter, covers. So let's ask questions about you. Oh, the lightness down. So first question, because I always like to ask this for anyone who is in journalism or considers themselves a journalist. What bloggers do you pay the most attention to? Bloggers? MMM, I'll be honest with you, I don't, because there are there are so many. You know, I used to my last couple years at the Democratic Chronicle. I had a blog. So I was a blogger. Actually, the blog want to state award probably one of the things I am most proud of. It focused on the lack of information or and understanding you get with healthcare pricing. Sure, so, I was what I focused on. I don't because I've seen how the sausage gets made. HMM, so I'm not a sausage fan. That a little little. That's great for listeners, but you know, I know what it takes to write those and I had a lot of pride in my blog that it was. It was factual, there were links to other articles, there were references, it was great. Yes, it was opinion, but it was it was backed up by by sources. That so you could go read the original source document yourself. And there's just so much out there on so many topics. Sure, I just I can't keep up. YEA, no, that's actually a farets. Sorry, no, that's it's a very valid and fair answer. But shifting to reading and paying attention another question kind of in that vicinity. What do you like to read in your own time? Different types of things. I have a ever kindle and so it's easy to read, and I'll be honest with you, all New York residents can do this. You can get access to the New York New York Public Library in New York City and you have so many books at at at your fingertips, and I do that. I have read actually right now. The only problem with a kindle is I never know the title of the book because you never you like when you pick up a book, there's the spine of the book in the titles always there. So I have no idea the name of that. I think it's hidden, not see or whatever. But it's about somebody I never heard of, Hans Commor, who was the architect of all kinds of horrificness in Germany, who was also one of the architects of their rocket program and was he because he was so valuable as a rocket master? Did the Americans take him after the war to use in our own rocket that's fascinating.

Yeah, fascinating. I I'll read a lot just to titles I don't even remember because it's just sort of something else to think about. And again with a kindle, you don't. You read them and you know I recently read. It was a sort of the psychological throat is interesting. This want to do remembers to the six hundred and forty one to Paris. I'm not going to tell you about it. You can get in New York Look Library and maybe Monroe Cunty Library System overdrive as well. But that was a quick read, very kind of sort of psychological thriller kind of thing. A lot of times I will just look and see if the cover looks interesting. It's like almost like albums, right. They know album cover art. We don't see that anymore with CDs, but and and now with you know, podcasts and and MP threes. You don't. You don't get that album cover art right. Sometimes, if the cover looks good, I will I'll take a look at it. I read a book about Georgia o'key for a while. We'll go jet whatever strikes my bright whatever stres I just started reading Kennel stuff, so I think it's great too, and I I kind of just browls through and just pick, you know, randomly pick something. I'm with you. Okay. So let's go to your teaching abilities. If you had to teach something, but would you teach? My Gosh, I was a horrible teacher. I actually did. I taught at Brockport. I was an adjunct for for several years, and it's about by school. It is you. We have some people in common, then we do. I taught by force of will, which is not a good way to teach, because I cared so much about the top. A taught. I taught in the Health Sciences Department, so I thought that my topic was the most important thing and students didn't always see it that way. But I'm a personal I'm certified personal trainer. So I if I have to teach, it would be about healthy lifestyles. That's great, and how you can make a healthy lifestyle for you, not for me, because everybody's healthy lifestyle is different, but how you can make yourself a healthier lifestyle, setting some goals, trying to achieve those goals, monitoring your goals and hopefully, over time, you know, seeing the benefits of your hard work. It's the New Year. So I'm sure a lot of people have health goals going on. So that's definitely something that's very interesting to me and a world. A long time ago I was a very athletic, Jim going person myself. So I'm trying to get myself that way again. So I think that's another great thing that you that you do. So another question I had for you. What are some challenges or difficulties and hardships that you've overcome or working to overcome in and how? And how can what you learned helped others? HMM, okay, I don't know that what one person goes through really helps another, because everybody goes through things different way. I mean, I've lost my partner three and a half years ago, so I'm do you know, I'm still that. I'm still dealing with help, you know, I'm still figuring that one out every every day and I'm dealing with you know, I have a lot of other friends who are widows and we and we talked about in you know, okay, well, really, you doing that? Okay, right, it's not. Yeah. So I think I think what we need to work against is being prescriptive to somebody else, whether it's in how an individual overcomes a challenge, how you get healthier. Right, you know, I can't say you need I can't say you need to do this. So seminar a while ago and they the way the people leading the seminar, they talked about it. They said one of the things you have to be careful about is you shouldn't. You shouldn't shoot all over somebody shoulder. Don't shout all over you should do this. You should it. You can't write say that to somebody because it's going to get their defenses up. Right, and even if you have been in the exact same situation, is that person. You're a different person. Right, people handle things differently. So you're different than they are and you're different at that moment. They may come around to your way of thinking, but I also think you need there to go. Shouldn't all over somebody. In my experience, how about that? Okay, there you go into people need room to come to the conclusion. Right, right, that's right that. They got to give them space to to come around, whether you want to say to come around your way of thinking or whatever, but you've got to give people some room to accommodate that. Otherwise I think again, an individual could get defensive and say I'm not going to do that because as somebody told me to do it. I mean got just think about growing up, right. How many times your parents so you do something you were Don's right. So it's the same thing as again, do you want somebody telling you what to do?...

If you do, then go tell somebody else what to do. If you don't, find a way to phrase it so that you're offering suggestions to them. In my experience, have you thought of what would happen if just kind of give them different ways of things and have the and try to have the conversation that way? Speaking with patty singer, the minority reporter, journalist, reporter, sometimes editor for the for the minority reporter. Another few more questions before I let you get out of here. What sparks your creativity? What makes the the wheels in your head to start to turn? Absolutely no idea. So in the last I don't know, six years or so, I've become an artist, taking them art. So I did. I do a drawing. I try to do something every day, and so I did something. I post them on my facebook page, and so I did one last night and as I wrote it to a little caption the facebook page. I have no idea how I came up with this. The PEN has a mind of its own and I just I'd never use I've never really done it in ink before. I just never did it. It didn't look like how I thought it was going to come out. I had a couple tries that I didn't like. I no idea. I finished it. I like that. Oh this is pretty cool. I how the heck did this happen? So I don't know. I think it's being trying to be curious, trying to be open to things around me, trying to keep my eyes open. I like to think I know everything and I know I don't. So it's reminding myself that you don't really know. You don't know, you may not know anything. You certainly don't know everything. Trying to learn and just try, trying to be open to experiences. Years ago my default position was was no, and now my default position is maybe, or why not? When? So I think that is that's changed. Probably the why not as long as no one's going to get hurt. Why not? Right? Last question that I'll ask you and then we'll close off with some thoughts about them. An every reporter, if you had no deadlines or no budget restrictions, what project or task would you focus on right now? I woke up this morning thinking, Oh my God, I foiled for something months ago and haven't done it yet and I really need to do it because that deadline is going to come up. That's kind of daunting because there are so many. So you did you got to have structure to get something. Sure you gotta have that. This one thing that has been sitting there on my desk for months that that has to be done. I need to focus on that. You know, everything is a matter of resources and and prioritizing and how you everybody has finite resources, and how we're going to use them. Now I could answer that with okay, this foil is freedom of information law. So I made a request. Often you don't get material until you file a request under the feel of Information Law because for a variety of reasons. So right now that's really important to me. But I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow and there may be something that comes up and Oh my gosh, we have to write about this. It's really hard to know and I think the challenge of being in journalism today is there's always going to be something around the corner and you just don't know what is going to take your attention and the temptation is to be a squirrel and just go run after the next thing you see and then you just watch the squirrels Roriarty. That doesn't work. So you've got a squirrels have. Everything is a number one priority. I can't be a squirrel and it's very tempting to do that. So I have to focus on what I think at the time is the most important thing. That that I'd answer it. I offer skate. There sis kinds, but we will take it paddy. Before we let you leave here, where can someone who is interested in reading articles by the minority reporter or even possibly, if they want to subscribe or whatere they go to do that? Okay, to subscribe, it will be minority reporter dotnet. A lot of people like the you know, that online version of that online option with with the weekly PDP. So you can go to minority reporter DOTNET and you can sign up there for the option that you that works for you, and also you can email me if you have story ideas or you have things that you want to discuss in my email it might it's Patti Si ger at minority reporter dotnet. It's patty singer at minority reporter dotnet. Patty Singer reporter for the minority reporter, form reporter for the Rochester Democratic critical and a fantastic person. Thank you so much for joining me on our show today. Hopefully we'll talk to you again later on down the road. I so also thank you and I again you can you'll be able to find this show as well on wxircom and also we'll have the...

...podcast available at different formats. Will let you know when that is available with it. Until then, thank you so much for joining us with inside the margins. Patty singer was here. It's Matt Wilson and we will see you next time it's inside the margins. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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