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Episode 15 · 2 years ago

Technology and African American Health Issues

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Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. COVID nineteen continues to be in the news. That's not going to change anytime soon, unfortunately. So a lot of our news coverage today is going to be in regards to covid nineteen. We always try to give you some of the bright things are happening, but sometimes you know it. Covid is is what it is. It is not much we can do to escape it. But speaking of bright things, here we go from the minority report. From the minority porter. It's Patty Singer with today's headline news. Good afternoon, Patty. Hi'm wow, I'm almost the words after that. I don't called sunshine in a long time. We're going to start with some non covid news. So Kennedy in the one hundred thirty seven. The subway district has file a complaint with the the Roe County District Attorney and the New York State Board of elections alleging election fraud related to how the Monroe County Board of elections handled the signature petitions of one of this person's opponents. Silvano or see of gates, is claiming that the county board inappropriately corrected mistakes in the petition for earnest flagler. Or see claims that after he filed a general objection to flaggers petition, the Democratic side of the county board of elections had the documentary scan to show page numbers that appeared to be missing on the original pdf that or see had been supplied. New Math adds up to more R CSD. DEFICIT WOES superintended. Terry Day is schedule to present a revised budget proposal to the Board of Education on April fourteen, and that revision will reflect an additional twenty four million dollar deficit. The district has had has to close a gap of eighty five million to have a balanced budget. Day's initial proposal for the two thousand and twenty one school year closed sixty one million dollars more cropped up when the state funding became flat. Also, the district has to spend two point five million on meals for students through Covid and Dade also wants the board to start savings account of at least four million dollars. And an opinion piece Kollo Moya white takes issue with an article that criticized the career developed, mental and occupational studies credential issued by the Rochester City School district. She takes issue with an article that was in the Democrat and chronicle that criticized the criteria for that credential and she writes that as a parent, I wish to win my voice as a representative from the community. I recommend that ourcs d enhance the impact of the CDs diploma options for Future Graduates. She goes on to explain her rationale and you can read that in the full essay. In minority report, Howard Eagle talks about the superintendent so schools, Terry Day. He says anyone who is paying attention truly recognizes that Terry Dad has become a regular not only on Bob Blondsbury's radio show, but in the eight months he has been in Rochester he has been a guest on Evan Dawson's w xxide connections program as. Howard egl says more than many who have lived here for a lifetime...

...ego rights to that. It is nothing short of baffling, if not mind boggling, that day can have these conversations and never utter a single word about one of the district's oldest, most deep seated, pervasive, volatil and potentially explosive socio economic, social, political and social cultural issues and problems. And how it? Egl goes on to white that that is about structural racism. In covid new WHO's Rochester offers economic programs to help residents during covid nineteen pandemic. May, a lovely warrant announced a series of programs and services to support residents and businesses. Those include Property Tax Collection Relief, financial coaching, business emergency grant and loan deferrals, Chiba Rochester and small business administration loans and a partnership with two hundred and one wifeline. City residents who have questions can call three hundred one one. Coronavirus is compounding inequality and endangers communities of color. In National News, the inequality is always magnified in times of national hardship. Nowhere is this clearer than in communities of color, which have long endured inequalities across the economic, social and civic systems. And now the factors are threatened to be exacerbated by the current corona virus, of the novel coronavirus, Covid Nineteen. Homemade cloth face masks are now a part of every spring wardrobe. As more is known about covid nineteen and how it moves from person to person, more is being done to try to keep people safe. Monroe County is recommending that any time a person has to go outside that they were a cloth face mask, a homemade mask. That can be done by making some folds in a large square piece of fabric, and that recommendation is for anyone outside, and especially if you're outside and you cannot be six feet from a person, which is the recommended social distancing space. In our cover story is about how the Covid nineteen is reminiscent a little bit of the community spirit that was needed in World War II. In World War Two, posters had Uncle Sam saying that I want you to go to a recruiting station to join the army and if we had those posters now, Uncle Sam will be saying I want you to stay home. Health officials at Rochester's to a large systems, Rochester regional health, and you are medicine to staying home. People can solve the spread of the virus and that will give people on the frontlines a chance to be able to care for more people. Thank you, Patty. Thank you for today's headline news and, as always, you can find further detailed information and the full length stories that you've heard for the headline news on the minority reporter Dotnet as well. If you go to inside the margins RADIOCOM, we also have a link there to the minority reporter. You can see some pictures of myself and Patty as well on the site. So you'll see how beautiful we look in real life. And don't forget, we always do need your support. So please, please, if you do have the means, go ahead and subscribe to the minority reporter as well. That I that's what I do, that's how I get my news, so I also suggest that you do the same. And you know, it's always good to stay ahead of what's going on with local news and supporting our local media outlets as well. All right, we're going to go ahead and take a quick break. Patty, you stay right there. When we come back, we will talk about Rochester City School district budget issues during this covid nineteen crisis and more right here...

...on inside the margins will be right down. These are trying times. We all have worries. We worry about getting sick, we worry about our jobs and how to pay the bills. We worry about the health of our children, we worry about our future. On top of all of these worries, we feel isolated. Studies have shown that participating in music and arn't can leaving pain, help people manage stress and give people a way to express their feelings. Creative outlets are about focus and concentrating on the arts ship of some person's thinking away from the trauma that they had experienced and remember. New York state has partnered with the crisis text line, an anonymous texting service available two four seven text got five. That's geot five. Two seven four, one seven four one. If you are in a crisis and you need immediate help or someone to talk to, please call one eight hundred two seven three talk. That's one eight hundred, two seven, three eight, two by five. This message has been brought to you by the New York State Office of Mental Health. Welcome back to inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. I'm here with patty singers. So, Patty, before we get into the main topic that I want to talk to you about today, we were kind of joking before we started to show about the technology aspect of how we have to do these shows. Now, people on the radio you can't see how what's going on right now, but Patty and I are able to see each other. We're using a program where we're using a web camera and microphones and all that good stuff, so we can see and hear each other. So that's how we can kind of still feed off each other and we're talking, but sometimes things don't always go the way you want to and we have to trouble shoot things on our own. And I know, pad you've gone through the same thing as as eyes as I have gone through as well. That's you. You know, when I work for a large news organization, we had an it department and so there's a lot of people who were listening. We're ging work in a when they work in the office. There was the it person and you call first came and you probably didn't pay a whole lot of attention to what they would do. And because you have something else to do while they work in your computer running. Well, all, you could go grab one, whatever it was. Well, we all should have paid attention. It's kind of like, you know, you should have paid attention back in school with the chemistry class, the physics class or the math class. Should have paid attention when that item guy was at my desk, because I have and I think that's just adding to the stress of the whole situation. Yeah, you know, if if something breaks, what do I do? If I had to, I had to know. Be Full disclosure. Matt is hosting the Zoom Meeting. All I have to do is kind of click in. Is Great and I the guest of a lot of zoom meeting. Well, last week I had to host one with the Superintendent of schools. He was graciously doing one on one's with all the media in town, so I had to figure out how to host the zoom meeting. It got to the point where I sent terry dating email and said I can't figure this out. Call me. But at the last second, who knows, the little gremlins in the machine must have heard me and all of a sudden I saw that my invitation to have been said. Twenty five seconds later he...

...pops in. All's right with the world. No idea how that happened. I don't know that I can replicate that. That could have been my life. No idea. But it's again, it just it's it's frustrating for those of but I mean I don't need to know how to fix my cop. I put the key of being mission or fable or whatever it is these days. Don't get me started on how to start a car with no key. But anyway, and and off you go. And for a lot of us, we have taken our computers in a sense D which the button it starts the program's work and if we were fort enough to work in a office, we had somebody that we could call to come get us out of trouble. Yeah, maybe people listening who go yeah, well, welcome to my world, this is your threat. Weird, you know, nice coming along lately, but again this is a stressful time. It was working home. I think this is an added stress that, at least in my world. Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right it. Listen, I will give you some credit, though. We've been doing this now for a few weeks and you've actually got a lot better with the zoom stuff, so I will give you some I'll give you some some credit for that. So you're doing well and you're right. It's I work in a radio station and I'm used to work in the board. But yeah, you're absolutely right. I don't. I'm not used to doing all these web meetings. So it's it's even even for me. I'm like what, so many different meetings. And I'll tell you what. The Zoom Company. They're probably making them a lot of money, right. I found out there are. There are other companies as well doing this. I wonder if they're publicly traded. You know, how their stock is doing things alone. All that our story today that you know tell the doc is probably the stock is. Tele Health is probably here to stay. Some of the things that that will that will change permanently. You wonder. Will we now have more telehealth visits, even for those of US living in Rochester who have easy access to a physician in person? Is this going to be? You know, we're going to have tell a health what is going to have changed significantly, significantly and perhaps permanently. Yeah, well, the technological standpoint right, I think another time we were talking offline again and I think we were talking about this kind of being the new some of this being the new norm for a lot of organizations and businesses, and I think you're right. I think after this a lot of different companies are going to see ways that you don't have to actually have people come into the office or even you know, a lot of times people are even sent sent out, or you have to get on a plane to go somewhere to be a part of some sort of conference. And this technology was already there, but now that people are so used to it and people have done it so much, this may be more of the norm. So why spend so much money sending someone hundreds of miles away when you can use do something like this? You know what I mean? I mean that you know that that's an interesting point, I think. But for for businesses that are collapsed, ever, it all right. So my my former employer had moved from one building to another building, from an ownering to releasing. So obviously when you lease every square inch, question money, right so there was at things were, you know, the desks were smaller and cram then a little bit more whatever, and that one point that there was a sense that, well, you you can work anywhere, you can work out, go to coffee shop or from whatever. You don't have to be in the office. And but they're still were meetings to go to and we need to be there for a morning meeting. And the job I have, I view it as very collaborative. You need to talk to people and it is very difficult because now with my cart and porter we are putting out the website isn't as much of a challenge, but putting out the print there's a lot of phone calls that have to go back and forth. I can't just get up and walk to the next office and go no, can you put that here or fixed the Typeo here? Right? Three or four emails that have to go back and forth. So...

I mean, I hear you, but I'm wondering if there's a way to streamline the process go back to working in the office. Who can get up, walk to the next person and say something and don't forget, you know. So somebody asked Dr Mendoza. There was a news conference he had on Thursday and somebody he brought it up because I've been asked questions. We ever be able to shake hands again or hug again? He doesn't have the answer for that. But wouldn't that be horrible if you can't go to your colleague's Office and kind of lean over their shoulder and point to the same computer as as they're looking at? What are we losing in the human touch from this that, if it goes it is I would I would argue it is a loss for society and humanity. I know you and I are on the same page here. I I all have always preferred a human interaction, you know, in person, then that on the web, when I'm in the radio station, even like when I when I first met you and you were actually in the radio station sitting next to dim. You know that's you can't recreate that online. You can't. There's something about being their live and having physical interaction and actually looking someone right in their real eyes that you cannot recreate that with with this online presence. So you're right. Will this will this probably be implemented a lot more than it was before? I'm sure it will. I'm almost certain of that. That's going to be the case. But should we overdo it? Absolutely not. We definitely should not lose touch on on the importance of actual human interaction, because that's what makes us human after all. We you know, and to one of the things you mentioned that. So one of the things I think of is there there is a lot of vacant office space downtown, right down town, Rochester right they're trying to fill a lot of that space. So what happens if people, if people who run companies go? We don't need I don't need this much off the space because they're making work from home and I don't. We don't. So what happens to a lot of this commercial space it's already vacant or people were going to move into and now they can't and we have again, I'm going to I don't know what's inside. We building right now, you know. So I don't know how much is filled. But multiply that by a few other buildings that are downtown or even some, even some office parks in the suburbs. What's going to happen to that commercial space? How much are we relying on that commercial space for for revenue? Ring them for absolutely well, the businesses that those support. If you're downtown during Sif we building, you may go down to spot or jovage it for coffee, you want to get some lunch. What's the ripple effective is that we're way too early. We still have to get through. Sure, a peak of this and and and figure out anybody testing and vaccines and all this stuff, but I would imagine there are people thinking about the topics that you have brought up. What are the economic implications of working at home for our cities, in our infrastructure? No, see, these are these are all excellent point of making. It's it's like throwing a pebble into the water right. There's going to be ways made after that pebbles being thrown. So you're absolutely right. Everything affects everything. If if you have less businesses downtown, then you'll have less people around to go to those restaurants and small little spots where they go and those businesses are affected as well, and then that that cycle continue. So you're right. Everyone gets impacted by that. So I don't. I don't. I personally, and this again these are my opinions, I personally do not think it's beneficial to mainstream virtual everything. You that should not be what is. What is the norm is there still should be a sense of we should have live offices with live people there. We shouldn't just have one person in one room talking to eighty people online. Exactly. And because, let's take this a little bit, let's go down the line a little bit. If who cleans...

...these offices? If you if you have fewer offices that need to be cleaned, who's that going to affect? Right, exactly, it's going to affect the people that we're the base, these people to do the cleaning, people everything. Right, that's those these are these are people at some of the sometimes the lower end of socioeconomic spectrum that have these these maintenance type jobs, cleaning kinds of job. These are very, very important jobs. Absolutely not, especially now we're noticing it when places have to be sanitized and clean like that. You know, your cleaning person is not somebody to just be sloughed off. That is a very important person. But if we have fewer shared spaces, do we need fewer people to clean them? Right, no, that's these are all good points. At Man, it's the this. I think it's a great topic and it's something everyone should think about and you're at. What you said is perfect too. We're still kind of early on in this process. We're still we have a lot more to go through before we even can figure out what's going to happen after for the aftermath. We still to get through it, but I'm almost certain, I'm almost certain that there is going to be an impact and people are going to be different. It's going to it's going to be different. We're going to come out of this where people are not going to maybe want to be as physically interactive with one another. Some people still will, some people won't. It won't. It will not affect but there are some people that would. That mean. We're kind of on the verge of I don't know if I want to be around with people now. This may be in that button or that Neil MC coffin, as you as you would say, to where they's you know what, after this we're just going to be virtual all the time and I hope that that's not. I hope that's not the case, but I know a few, a few businesses will probably see that as an alternative. All right, we could talk about this all day long and we probably will. Probably we, but I wanted to touch on this real quick too, because you wrote an interesting piece and the minority reporter you would you wrote About Mirror Lovely Warren and how she was imploring black and Latino communities to heed the covid warning, to stay home, because in national news a lot of the lower income and and and regions where there's a lot of African Americans have been hit hearder than everyone else. Then it's not. It seems to not be the case yet in Monroe County, but we all know the fact that that's probably it's it's an able. It's going to happen and it kind of touches on what we already knew was the problem. The whole economic difference between, you know, brace and class and and and how you know, if you don't have the means to go to the hospital or don't you don't have money for insurance and all those things. It makes it harder for you to be treated for not just covid but for anything, and I think this is kind of spotlighting that because this this diseases in the news right now. What's your what's your thoughts on that? I mean is did the fancy term for that is called the social determinance of health right in a way. To break that down is that where you where you where you live, where you work, where you pray, affect your health. So the certain neighborhoods, you know we've did, this community has done so much good work over decade or more with lead paint, you know, trying to reduce the rate of lead poisoning in children of the leg coalition has done a lot of work on that. But that's an older housing stock, mostly in the inner city, that that is affected. So that's one example of how health disparity can affect can affect health. When the county releases data on lead poisoning, the highest concentration of that is in the city and in the older housing stock in the city. It's not necessarily in some of the suburbs, whichicularly ones, it to have new, more housing staff where they never had any light paint right at all. So yeah,...

...this has been there's my guess is anybody listening to us has known that there are health differences that lead to the not it's not up straight big, big bold line, but these these differences in economic status, in you live, in your access to healthcare, affect the can't effect the high rates of chronic disease like heart disease, diabetes and high blood pressure, in some cancers, in black and Brown communities. No one listening to us right now is unaware of that rise. Anybody Right. The problem is, how do you get the people who want listening to us to go wow, really just because and think about it, not just go okay, it kind of makes sense and move along, but really think about these in equities and what what it costs somebody who doesn't think that this affects them. What it costs them? Now I'm going to digress for a second because since I love metaphors and analogies and so I'm going to give sort of an analogy to this. About a year and a half ago, the Sheriff Time Baxter, put out a news release of what the OPIOID epidemic was costing taxpayers because, he went on, I'm so going to put words in his mouth now, he was kind of having tired of people not really paying attention to this. You know, the families were, your Culton Avenue was, but we're the rest of US really paying attention to to the cost of this? Well, when it cost counting tax payers? I want to say five or six million dollars. I don't have in front of me, but that's sort of what sticks in my head. That may get people's attention. Right, it did for one new cycle. Now he may have to do that again to say what, what else is it? Is it costing? But I bring that up because your health problem costs me money. So insurance is pulled risk. So everybody who has an insurance policy talk about socialism. Right, even with commercial insurance, right, right, all of us who have excelled, US, our MVP or Signora at nor, whoever, we're all paying for each other's healthcare. So that should inspire me to not be dictatorial and lag my finger at you, you know, put down the DONUT, go for a walk, but it should make me be aware that we're all in this together, not just in Covid we're all in this together throughout all of health and all of healthcare is a collaborative and a cooperative yeah, so we would talk about this earlier and that's as you would. You said, is true and you're right. People who were listening to this program are probably already aware of that issue and we and the goal was to reach the people who will who are not aware of that issue. So covid nineteen kind of puts this nat and on a national level, of the spotlights on a national level now. So people are beginning to become more aware. The question is, when covid ends, does anything change? I would like to think so, but changing the inequitable system will cost money. Right we are. COVID is done a Rightnice job bankrupting for what? I mean, that's the JOT's the check. But you know, it's like, if covid is done, what having your cargo car cont out, the refrigerator go on the Fritz and the washing machine, you know, he over all at once. How does a family handle all of those payments? Right, that's what covid is done to the economy. Everything is broken...

...down, all your appliances and then you just find out that the kids need braces. All right, so everything has hit it wants. Where's the money that come from? Right, because that is going to cost money. Even going in something is simple, as not the right term basic, as trying to provide health education in community so that you can try to push more prevention, cost money to do that. Where is the money going to come from? Health insurers now are waiving code pays for COVID treatment. Where's that money going to come from? That? Wealth Insurers, non private health insurers have reserves probably come from that, but that's money they can't spend. Perhaps, yeah, that ends eventually organization into health promotion. This change is everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. So someone who is into fitness and and and health and that aspect of them, I know you are on that something else to do. Do you think that this may be because the whole fact of the matter is that covid impacts people with pre pre existing conditions harder than the average person? So if you have diabetes or if you have breathing issues or asthma, or even if you're you know, even though beasts sometimes it can. That can be some issues that that bring it on. So do you think that maybe this may help people try to live a healthier lifestyle? I'm not sure if it will. I'm just just throwing that out to see. Do you think that this may be just because it makes you so vulnerable to the disease? Do you think maybe people will think, you know what, maybe I should get my health in check and make sure I'm good in case of this happens again. You know, I I'm a firm believer in in prevention and trying to control what you can't because there is so much you can't control, and to be as healthy as you can be for when you get sick, because then you minimize, hopefully you minimize the effect, you delay the onset and you minimize the effect right away with a chronic condition. And talk about diabetes, high blood pressure exactly. So prevention like that, I think, really works, can work well with a chronic disease you may have, you may be genetically predisposed for diabetes. Get it at seventy nine, at forty. I so have there these thirty more years a good life and be as healthy as you can be when you get your your chronic disease, for something that's a contagious disease like this, I don't know, not being a medical person, I don't know. I would like to think that as the healthier you are, the better a what you want to handle anything that is emotional health as well as physical health. Sure, sure to think that, but but I don't know, when you have something that's contagious like this and that we don't know a lot about, I think in a couple of years, after a lot of research has been done, then we may know how much prevention a good preventive. If there's anything specific about prevention for Covid for is just the general who of the healthier you are, the better way. But you want to withstand any kind of upset in your life. Yeah, and that's kind of that's kind of where I was going with the recovery process of if you do get it and recovering and bouncing back from covid it just seems that if you, if you, if you start off in a healthier place, chances again, I am certainly not a medic class experts, so I want to make sure I mention that, but it just seems that you would have a better chance of bouncing back. I'm not saying quicker, but just bouncing back in general, if you are...

...already healthier verse and if you are, if you're in a weekend or a state where you're not as healthy as you should be, you might have a different, more difficult time recovering from it. It's almost like, and I know being age is something you do with, has something to do with help, but but you know, I'm trying to say if you if you fall down the stairs and your body is physically fit and you, you know, break a leg, you might recover from that generally faster and quicker and better than if you are someone who is elderly or you have bones that are not as you know, as it's strong. If you breaks something, you might your recovery might not go as well. That's kind of what I'm getting that. I'm it's like, yeah, that's too let me. Let me. I want to give you a quick story about that. So I my cousin, elderly cousin, had she died it she on a hundred and five did several years ago. But anyway, she had taken Tai Chii in her s and she had a fall. I was outside and but because of her Tai Chii, she managed to somehow sort of collapse gently into the bushes, as if I'm remembering the story correctly, and had only a broken arm. So yes, I want to be like my cousin Evelyn, you know, but that's that's a sense of her being very proactive and that's one example that is anecdotal. You talked about age with this. I just looked up something real quick. So the county is starting to give more data on people who are stricken with Covid and dying from Covid, and so they did an age breakdown and this is this date is old because it was the first nineteen deaths and we've had several more since. Sure, sure, in that first group of statistics ten of the deaths were between ages of eighty and ninety nine. Wow, so there was no one younger than forty. Wow, was one in the forty, forty to fifty nine, eight in the sixty to seventy nine and then ten in the eighty to ninety nine. So that's early data. I don't know what the age breakdown is in New York City, right, right, and then I don't know again. All Right, let's complicated even more. So you have a forty two year old who dies. was that forty two year old a person who lived in poverty? That's no access to Documentos of the Health Commissioner talk the other day at his news conference about getting testing out to marginalized communities earlier. To if you can get these individuals, who tend to seek care later anyway, get to them earlier, do you minimize the effects of this? These are all using what we know from other diseases would seem to make sense, but you don't know how this beast really acts. Yeah, Yep, now't that? That's you know, there's so much still that we have to learn about how this thing is. Answering the questions that we raise is going to be hard until we, you know, figured out exactly how this thing works, and hopefully our scientists and our health experts are still, you know, working as hard as they can, which I'm sure they are, to get this thing sold. I'll patty, as usual, always a bed and a beddy even information. Thank you so much, welcome. Thank you for Oh, I appreciate you, Patty. Patty singer, I gut I said. I want to make sure I reiterate. You can find all these stories that we talked about in detail, for at least the headline news on the minority we reporttnot and if you want to ask any questions or if you have any suggestions for stories in the future, you can send your emails to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. Thank you as always,...

Patty. We're going to go and take a quick break and when we come back we will play a clip featuring the rock band periodic table of elephants, from the Rock City showcase. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Welcome back to inside the margins right. So the for this last segment, as I've been doing recently, we're going to go ahead and play a clip from the rock city showcase. This past week's guest was a band called the periodic table of elephants, made up of Jason, Sean and Greg three great guys who are also very active in the rochster city seeing as far as food and beverage as well, and I just want to go ahead and play a clip from that show. Don't forget, if you want to listen to the rock city showcase podcast, you can catch all the episodes, when we did with Jimmy Hismith Jr and Richard McCullough and the rock stories for first episode where it had Joe mcbean and everyone else in the South Wedge area. You can listen to that on our website at inside the margins, RADIOCOM and it's also wherever you can find podcast. So it's not only on Iheart, it's also on Apple Itunes, also, spotify, Google play, the tune in APP, anywhere wherever you can get your podcast, it's available. So go ahead and check it out or at here is a clip from the rock city showcase and I will see you next week right here on inside the margins. Have a good one. This is the rock city showcase. It's tough to deal with what we're dealing with and and not at least try to crack a smile and try to be in light side. Speaking of that, about what we're going through. I know it's tough for bands to get together and practice when you can't actually get together, when social distancing is pretty much a thing, but at the same time I talked to another musician as she had jazz artist, a few weeks ago, and he said that he has been able to write a bunch of songs because he has so much more free time on his hands. Do you find that's true, that it's a little tougher to get together and collaborate musically, but you still have the freedoms, you still develop different songs while you're while you're sitting in I guess isolation Jay. Yeah, I will. I would say. Yes, I spend a lot of time just noodling around and coming up with different ideas. I think I've got a handful more. I've also been spending a lot of time working on two projects and learning some songs from Pearl Jam and I'm drawing a blank, Sean, but St Clement, but spending a lot of time learning, learning those songs and learning how they're put together and spending you know, and not doing kind of like camp fire music where you just know the basic chords, but really spending time and understanding how the songs are layered. So when you get into that it takes a long time. But I've been spending more time doing that than writing new stuff. So just kind of putting net aside for right now. Sure, do you think? Yeah, out great. Well, as I say, you know, I so our typical songwriting process is Jake Jay comes. He shows up and he's got sort of the frame, like the skeleton, of a song, and he'll show it to Shan and I, and then Sean and I will start filling in the pieces, you know,...

...you know, filling in all the gaps and maybe then we start looking at, you know, the three of us kind of like structuring things a little differently. Maybe this part needs to go a little longer, this party has to be shorter, we need an additional part here and there. So I mean, even though Jason comes forward with a lot of the the structure in the beginning, the songs really come to life when the three of us get together. And so it's been, and I we haven't even really attempted to write during this time of social isolation and you know, maybe that's something that we get into the longer this goes on. But I know, you know me personally. I'm actually I'm playing my instrument at home way more than I have been in the past year, just not only because I have a little more time, even though I'm still working, but it's it's kind of how I clear my head at the end of the day, you know. So I'm not just glued to, you know, crappy news all day long. It's nice to just unplug from technology but, you know, plug my basin instead. Yeah, and actually I'm glad you said that because I actually was that was kind of where I was heading, and I'll guess I'll go to shad. Do you find that the using this time to focus on music. Kind of helps you, I don't want to say forget what's happening, because you can't forget what's happening, but just kind of keeps you clear, kind of keeps you not in the you know, in a dark place, because you can easily go into a dark place. What everything is happening right now. Music, by by far and away, is my escape right now. I do not have my kit at home. Matter of fact, I saw and add for a drummer for periodic table developments or my kit up on Ebay. So I'm not terried. Short all that was about, but just mistake about diving. I'm diving deep into music. During the day, generally have the TV off, I don't do anything but listen to a lot of music and generally speaking, I draw my my influence from all my all my drumming is drawn from music that I listened to. So I'm exploring a little bit outside of what I'm comfortable with and really trying to create and build a better library with which to come at the new music that I'm sure that will get to writing as soon as we get together again. We are speaking with the band periodic table, of elephants. So I don't I don't think the listeners. No, but I am. I know all three of you pretty well. We we've all frequented some of these social gathering spots known as pubs around this city and we've all shared probably a beverage to or too many, maybe, who knows? Those are different stories to talk about, but I know some of us are socially awkward. Some of us are very social people. Do you miss that? Do you miss just being able to go to the pub and hang out with with your friends and and, you know, having a few pints and seeing that crowd of that group of people? Absolutely and then, yeah, you know, it's you know, I I think we're going to see so much permanent change come out of what's happening right now. And you know, we've been watching this crazy paradigm shift over the last fifteen years with social media and smartphones and devices and tablets and stuff like that, and it's almost like we've been preparing, you know, for this sort of moment where we actually can't hang out in person, that it's is forcing us to use technology to actually come together now. So you know, we've the last couple weeks we've had our own happy hours, you know, the band and our closest friends and and family, and will still have a few more drinks and perhaps maybe more than usual because none of us have to drive home right anywhere. For now. We were having those happy hours via zoom,...

...zoom rooms, zoom meeting. So we're doing those in our own living rooms. You can ask my wife. She she'll have tests all the mpt beer bottles of my bedroom. So I told you still I the bedroom. I don't know you. That's that's a good question. There's there's a look to the room's got the bigger TV in the bedrooms. got like a decent sized TV and every once in a while I'll pop on a flick. Are you know? I don't like to watch a lot of regular TV because, again, I can just pound on you. So I'll find something that I want to watch, like a like drunken history, for examples, one of my threities a lot, so good that salt. I'll pop on drug in history, you know, and they're drunk talking about history, so I feel like I have to join them and one thing needs to another. There you go, which is basically any time we're all at the bar we're just drawn talking about history. So we're talking. I'm so talkward anyways, and I'm not really great with with with like being around a lot of people, but I'm finding that I'm definitely missing hanging out and having some physical, face to face sort of conversations with my friends. My bandmates say, Maddie, I miss you. What's this is all over? I'm going to go on a hugging fest, but I'm hugging everybody I see. Oh Yeah, I guarantee you, all four of us well, will tell us when up on this is all over. I promise you that we're talking to periodic table of elephants. And Yeah, I was going to get to that too. I know some people are social, socially awkward. I even my wife kind of is a little bit. She's not a huge crowd person. But, however, I think one positive thing that this thing is doing is even if you are socially awkward, it does kind of make you realize the importance of friendships because, even even if you're not a huge group gathering type person, you still have your small circle that you like to hang out with, you like to see and when you don't see them sometimes it does get to you a little bit. And also if you're meet and you're trapped in a room with a four and three year old all day long, and also drives you insane. But you'll maybe know about that some time. You're like, it's but I'm trying. I'm trapped in the House with ten cats and one will. I'm doing. I think I'm doing just fine on those front. Now, how's it going with ten cats? That's going great hungry. So another thing I want to talk to all you about, and I know we only got a little bit of time left here, we all are also fans of the local establishments that are in Rochester. Places like John's, text Max peak, places like three heads brewing, those kind of places are we're all familiar with those kind of places that we go to. I think it's one thing that people forget is that Patriot, being a patriot of those places, is important to the livelihood of those establishments. So going out there is still supporting those establishments, if even if you're just stopping about to get a growl or quick meal or something like that for takeout. I think that's important. I see that the too eat. At least two of you, at least are representing three heads here. Do you guys still try to go ahead and do that as well? Yeah, actually, we're nay and I, my wife and I, we go out once a week to get tacos from John's, text mix and refill our growlers and bear stock at three heads. We know, I mean, I feel personally very much. So I want to support our friends who are struggling through these times. I mean, everybody's dealing with this in such dramatic ways that if there's anything that I can do, small as it may be, to help out, you know I'm going to do that. So we try our best to support our friends and the establishments and the businesses that they have while they're tried to weather the storm. Yeah, I couldn't agree...

...more. You know, we there's a there's a local coffee shop and around the quoit or actually where we all live, called sips, and you know, it's just the owner. She's there from seven to eleven every day. She's she moved her cash register right to the front door, so you can't even come inside. People are standing about ten feet apart from each other out on the sidewalk and takes your order, she runs she makes the coffee, she comes back and you know, I think even though social distancing is so important and and I I can't emphasize that enough, it's also important, I think, for some of us to feel some sense of normalcy, but while still being responsible to ourselves and our community. So if you're going to support, you know, a business, support local, because they're the ones that are going to be the affected the most by this. But make sure you're being responsible about it. You know, make sure you're still really practicing social distancing and and, you know, infection control. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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