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Singletary vs. Warren

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We talk Singletary vs. Warren and the Vaccine. 

You're listening to one hundred nine FM, wxr R LP in Rochester, New York, the home of extreme independent radio. Find us at one hundred and nine w x ircom Hey folks, it's Jason Taylor here, host of evidence of design. Please tune into our show on Saturdays from eleven am to twelve PM, where we dig into political economic analysis of issues affecting us right here and right now. Come think with us on a hundred point nine FM, wx Ir, only in Rochester New York, inside the margins, is sponsored by salvators. I just took a DNA test. Turns out I'm a hundred percent Rochester. That's right, I got seven Hundredzero matches. We are all coogee's. I can't wait to shoot your hand. Oh wait, I can't, but I can feed you. salvators famous form and you touchless delivery. Thosecom marginal aized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins, with your host Matt Wilson. Well, let's the Monday before Christmas. Hello, this is inside the margins. I am Matt Wilson. I'll be hanging out with Patti singer from the minor report today. Yes, I know it's not really the typical holiday pre holiday celebration that you want to do. You're probably stuck at home. You can't really see a lot of people. I totally get it, but there's some good things right, even though the football season's kind of weird to the Buffalo Bills have claimed the AFC East Division Championship for the first time in twenty five years, so I guess that's kind of cool. And it's wasn't it? You know, it's snowed, so you we may have white Christmas, who knows? But of course there's still things that we do have to talk about. Today we're going to talk about what's going on with the mayor and the former police chief, as well as what's happening with the vaccines and a bunch of other things to get you informed be for the holiday season. But before we do you all that, here's another person that wants to wish you happy holidays. It's three minor reporters petty singer, hello and good afternoon to you, Patty. Hi Man, it's a it's a strange week, isn't it? It's a very strange week. Yes, that quite sure what kind of week it is. There was a lot of traffic over the weekend, though, I noticed. So I don't people were getting a busy or or I have no idea. It's just been strange. Is The word that describes this year, or so the strange. It's a strange week coming up. I guess people still are shopping for the holidays a little bit. I guess. I don't know. I have no idea. All right, Patty. Well, I know we're prepared for the holidays. So if you can just give us a quick preview what might be happening in the MINDOR reporter this week? We're very interesting story. So of my colleague, Tyrondo James, is working as part of Solutions Journalism, teamed up with a couple of the media outlets in town, channel ten and Democratic Chronicle, working on a story about accessory dwelling units. What are those? What could those possibly be? Accessory dwelling units gain momentum is caregiving needs grow. So as a story this was a collaborative story. The Solutions Journalism is about finding, as you would think it would be, solutions to some of the problems in the community, and this one is how do families care for either an aging loved one or loved one who needs more more support? They want to keep them with them but the house at the self may not be set up for that. So there is a this concept of accessory dwelling units that are being Gouled elsewhere in the country and would something like that work in Rochester? So you can turn to turn to the minority reporter for that. You also may be seeing some of that if you do watch channel ten and if you do read the Democratic Chronicle, you may see some cross pollination on that story. That's awesome. Some of our more regular news, the Monroe County Health Commissioner, Dr Michael Mendoza, has pledged to answer questions about Covid, about the covid vaccine.

The attorney hired by City Council in the independent investigation wants the court to force the former RPD chief, Mur on singletary to testify about the prude incident. Wade Norwood joins Monroe county's effort to spread facts about the vaccine and vaccinations began last week for healthcare workers. All right, thanks so much, Patty. That's got it's kind of cool that you get to collaborate with the Democratic Chronicle. I I'm sure that you have a little bit of familiarity there. I'm just I'm just guessing that you have a little history there with that, with that organization at thirty three years it was something that was an opportunity for my colleague, to Ronni James, to do and it's an interesting story. Please, please look at that, because it has applications, you know, for, if not necessarily your immediate family or people that you know, and also down the road. I mean it's probably never too soon to think about where we want to live when our current living situation absolutely or absolutely interesting, interesting concept. That's fantastic and that's that's great to see you do that and you're always doing great work. And to get, obviously, the full versions of what pattages talked about, you need to go ahead and go to the minority reporter dotnet get the full versions of all those stories. Also, you will have the option to subscribe there. You can get the digital or the hard paperback version of the minority reporter. You'll have that option. So whichever one is your preference, go ahead and do that. I subscribe to actually the minority reporter because I like to get my local journalism about stories are important to me and also about the community, and they do that. They do a very good job with that, so definitely take advantage of that option. Also, if you have any suggestions for stories or if you have any questions or comments regards to what you read, you can certainly submit an email to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. They're always willing to listen to what you have to say. And also, if you want to reach out to us here at inside the margins, you can go to our website, which is inside the margin has radiocom. You'll have an option to contact us there, and if you missed any of our previous episodes, you also will have an opportunity to listen to that as well. You can listen to any episode of we doing this one right here on inside the margins RADIOCOM, on iheartcom and wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Patty, we got a lot to talk about, so we will get to that, but let's take a quick break before we get into our topics. This is inside the margins. Will be right back station one hundred point nine. For the night before, which was scary, not even as in my mouth now here. What I said to child, sleep, sleep and stay Christ the same. What a joyous...

...that's it around what to leave my hand when away want to. And we made Mary Christmas from the temptation you're listening to inside the margins on one hunder point nine, wxier, extreme independent radio in Rochester's urban alternative stations. Welcome back to inside the margin. It's Matt and I am here with Patty and let's go ahead and get into our topics. So I guess we'll start here, patty, because this has been in the news a lot this past week and leading into this week. So the whole Mayor Lovely Warren versus former police chief Lurn singletary is is re emerged in the headlines recently. The former police chief is saying that he was told to give false information and regards to what happened that night were Daniel proved lost his life, and there's a bunch of different stories out there. So I just want to see what you were hearing about that, Patty. Well, what I'd like to do is to start off by having telling people where they can find this in okay, information for...

...themselves. So the law firm that is was hired by city council to run the independent investigation posts all the documents there. When the the attorney, Andrew Chelley Jr, said he was going to be transparent, they have set up devil website and you can get all the documents. So grab up something to write with, something to write and Pencil, bloody finger, whatever you do, whatever, whatever happen, into your phone right when I give you that you want off of this, because I I really think it's important that people read this themselves, because it when you read the accounts and and mind probably the same. I mean it's a lot of it reads like a lot of he said, she's said. Yeah, it will explain notice of claim and and some of the some of this information you need to know to get some context, to understand what may be happening here. Right. So that gave you enough time to grab a writing instrument. All right, so we're going to do this in the military talk, right, all right, and not a gople bad. Yes, so, Edward Charge Harley, Bravo, Alpha whiskey Mike, very good. Dotcom. All right, E C B A wmcom Edward Charlie. Bravo, Alpha whiskey mikecom Rochester investigation documents. Now, right, when you have though the Webs web address in ECB a wmcom, Rochester investigation documents. Excuse me, Rightep, come up with the page. It'll see, it'll say emery Chelli, Brinkerhoff, Abad Ward and Mazel lllp Rochester investigation documents. So the all all the documents so far filed by the firm are there. The the top two right now December sixteen, two thousand and twenty. Petition for compliance. December sixteen two thousand and twenty, affirmation of Andrew G Chelly Jr. Those are the two. Those are the two key ones right now. So the petition for compliance is that Celli is asking the court to force singletarry to cooperate. HMM, may we call? A few months ago and all the subpoenas went out, he said he was he was not going to at that time. Reserve is right. Will preserved documents but wasn't going to. He was not rushing. Yep. So now the the cities off as a professional integrity report came out. Chelley wants, we're on singletary to testify. There are things that really only he in the mare know. They heard from the mayor. They want to hear from him for we're still waiting. That will be probably in the first week of the New Year. Will hear what happens with that. The other so the other document, which is his, his second one, that I said, there's so many pieces of paper here, people. It's so much going on in the affirmation at the second right now, as of this date, it's the second thing on the on that on that website, the affirmation of Andrew G Chelli Jr. Then as it that's is total of eighty four pages. Go to scroll down to I think it starts on page thirty four of that, that whole document, and what you will find is the notice of claim that singletary file. So a notice of claim is basically a placeholder. It says I may some point one sue and because there there's are there are time frames in which you can bring a sue, you need to hold your place right. So that's basically what I notice of claim is. It's Hey, folks, I may do this and so I'm just kind of sticking my foot in the door so the door doesn't shut on me and I'm closed out of this opportunity. So the notice of claim is, I these like twenty seven or so pages, and in it single tarry lays out his version of events. Remember, it's his notice of claim. Right, he's going to be his versions of events, and that's why it's important, I think, for people to read, to read these documents for themselves and try to understand what is going on and understand too, that if these proceed to court, there's a lot...

...of information that's going to come out, it's going to have to be discussed, and it's one person's version of events for same event. So this reminds me of the film, I think is called Rashiman, okay, that I've never seen. I've never seen that, okay, tour Sawa. So are many, many years ago, an event happens and seven people witness the event and you have seven stories, which makes sense, which makes perfect sense. So I mean there are this is one of these things end up in court right because people can't figure it out themselves and they need to present all this evidence and they need to have people hear it and make judgments, for lack of a better term, upon it. So if you're going to look this up, if you're going to read it, there are some paragraphs to know is. I go through the paragraphs in the from the really of the s to the early s of the paragraphs and their all number, you'll see those. The former chief is explaining his his version of the events and conversations with the mayor and some other people in City Hall. Right. And you know what, Matt, we're not there. I'm not. I wouldn't want to be on the jury for this. No, this is going to be a good use. I'm not there. This is incredibly emotional. Yep, incredibly emotional time. What do people say and what do people here do people? This is just in general. is in your own life? Yep, have any difficult conversation with somebody? What did you say and what did they hear? Or what did they say and what did you hear and how was it said? Right now this that all to be taken into account. You're right. You know the fact that you know the mayor saying, was it that she didn't didn't see the body warn camera footage it to a certain date. That can very well be true? was she told something prior to that? That can also be true. That seems to be that's could also be true, but hearing it and the seeing it could be two different things. Right, we don't know. This is this is all going to play out. You know. In the meantime, what do we do about this? I mean, singletary's gone in these documents. As you scroll through all of that affirmations, I said, there's eighty four pages, you will see the letter the mayor set him to fire him. You will see his statements of his oath to uphold the tenants of the Rochester Police Department. You find them real, real quick as I scroll through here. I mean there's a lot his. It does a copy of his oath of office. There is his pledged subscription to the values of the Rochester Police Department. Again, he was sworn in in June of two thousand and nineteen right human life in the dignity of the Bileron singletary pledge and subscribe to the values of the Rochester Police Department. And you can argue all you want with what I'm going to read here, but these are the values of the rochest police department. Human life in the dignity of the person. The value of human life is immeasurable. Ill actively preserve protecting respect human life in the dignity of all people, Constitution and laws our community. I value the partnership in communication the Rachet to police department enjoys with the community. I will respond to the priorities established in cooperation with our community, directed the safety of all enhancement of the quality of life in our neighborhoods. You can argue that whether these these values have been upheld or not, you can argue all day on that, but these are the principles that you write. pledged to a pole, commitment, leadership in personal character, commitment to organizational excellence. And then there's a copy of his appointment and then there's some emails from at the time deputy chief, more Beto, to to the chief. I mean there is stereriously for listeners, I would suggest that you read this and make up your own mind because, oh, all all reports on this are going to be edited for space. They have to be. There's no way for pages right. There is no way you're going to see a four pages printed anywhere unless you go to this document and read it for yourself. Because the the best reporters want to present an accurate, complete...

...picture here, but it is difficult to do that when you got maybe a thousand words, Yep, right, total for your story. Right, right. So please, people, I'll say it again for folks who just tuning in. We're talking about the documents that filed by Ron singletary and also some documents filed by the council, the attorney hired by city council. It is at e CB, a wmcom Edward, Charlie Ravo, Alpha Whiskey, mikecom when I say Rochester, and you too look up and then you have to do all and then there is something else there that now I can't find. Chester for document or something like that. Yeah, yeah, it's Rochester Investigations. My God, people, I'm sorry, row Rochester investigation documents, documents that that will be in your in, your in your so you put in the ECBA, wmcom Rochester investigation documents and then another. So there's your homework. Yeah, and actually they will probably a quiz on this because at some point somebody knows going to ask you about this. It's going to be in the news. Yeah, you can say I read the Documents Yep, it'll be answered. It'll be social media does absolutely so. Quite sirs, here's a question for you, and yes, I do think in order for you to get the full, just if you will, of what's happening or what's what's being said by both sides, it's the as it would pop probably be. Who Will you to read that document? But I do think you're accurate. It's going to be tough really to pick, quote unquote, a side, because it really is. You laid this out, I think, as clear as you possibly could when you said they both may be actually telling the truth. They both may be saying exactly what happened. There's there's definitely a chance that former chief singletary did say something to the mayor, but there's also a chance that it wasn't set in a way or she just did not interpreted interpret it the way it was told to her, or there wasn't an emphasis on the importance of what happened until she saw the video, which would have been later. So they both could be telling their version of the actual same truth. So do you think something's going to actually come of this? Is this going to damaged, further damage the mayor, or is this just going to be sort of a lawsuit thing where the forward chief gets some sort of financial compensation for lost wigs and also his pension and whatnot, or do you think this is that this actually might be something that damages the mayor? I mean, it's up to my understanding, and I'm not illegal expport my understanding of this is he has he has reserved his right to suit by filing a notice a point. He doesn't have to sue. Yeah, right, he doesn't have to, but he's reserved the right to do that. So that is his decision and that of you know, obviously in consultation with his attorneys. Right aside, if they are going to if they are going to proceed with the suit. Yeah, yeah, it seems to me again, this is all interpretation and speculation on all of our parts, because obviously I have no idea what's happening, but this is kind of in my face. Outlooks is that the former chief pretty much was said, okay, I've been fired, I don't want to comment on this anymore. I'm I'm going away, I don't want to do anything end. They keep asking him to say something. So it's almost like they're they're pushing him and he's like, okay, you keep asking me this, I'm going to say things that you don't want to hear and I'm going to sue you. That's kind of how that's kind of how it's like. It's almost like he wanted to be like left alone and I don't want to talk about this. I refused to comment on the situation, and now he's being asked repeatedly or being subpoened to comment on the situation and he's pretty much putting up that defense. That that defense saying, if you continue to pursue this, this is the view that I'm going to take. That seem that way to you? Well, let me let me go to the beginning of his so he states the summary of claim. This...

...is a notice of claim against the city of Rochester, and Youre lovely a Warren, for damages sustained and continue to be disdain sustained by the Randi singletary, including, but not limited to defamation of character, creation of a hostile work environment preventing his fulfilling the duties of Chief of police and his wrongful and retaliatory termination. That all occurred beginning, honor about September three, two thousand and twenty and continuing thereafter. So he is. He is alleging that the mayor and others acting on the mayor's behalf. Again, you can read this for yourself, impuned a quoting impureed my performance as chief of police of the city of Rochester by making false statements and material emissions about my performance in discharge of duties in the matter of the treatment of Daniel prude in the custody of the righteous police, the subsequent death, the internal investigations and so forth. So he is claiming these fault statements and material emissions. fact, his words have damaged my reputation for honesty, integrity and truthfulness. Okay, he is claiming the mayor asked him to withhold certain information. He is he is claiming this. This is notice of claim. This is his side of this, right. I mean, that was I'm great for radio and I try side. It's all right, but I have a future not in radio. This, that's fine. made the more real radio is. I like it. That's fine. This is this is this is why court cases can be confusing. Yeah, and and this is how people can get he's like the eye glazing over, because my again, this is a guess. I don't know. If this were to go to court, there will be arguments over intonation of words, of how things were said, when we don't nobody was there to say it. Or, I don't know, was their jargon in an email that somebody may not have understood, even though the mayor is a lawyer, right. Yeah, these are all great questions. Yeah, I guess I'm just trying to grasp what the end game is going to be here, if this is actually going to do something that's gonna pull the you know, just kind of revealed the actual happenings of what was really known, or is it just going to be that? You know, I guess I'll say it like I said, and I hate to say things like this, because I try, but when I say is like this, I try to make it as simple as possible for to be understood as well as why I say like this. But if someone gets terminated from their job, if you are and you don't think you've done anything wrong, right, if you think you've done your job the way that you believe you were supposed to, and then you get terminated and you're told the reason why you're terminated because you're not doing your job, not because you are absent all the time or because you are. You connect turning in your work on time or you're turning in bad work. You to your to your knowledge, you're doing the job that you're supposed to do correctly, and then your boss terminates you. Now you, of course, are going to be disgruntled by that. Right, you're not going to be content with the fact that you were just terminated from your job with when you thought that you were doing a great job, especially if you've been doing that job for a relative long time. I believe chief singletary had over twenty years and in pleasing so of course he's going to be upset. So that's why some eyes are going to view this as an upset employee going after his boss versus a person who actually is trying to get the facts out about what really happened. Does that make sense? A poblem saying that? Well, I mean I don't know if if this is a am I hear you correctly, is just a disgruntled employee? I think this is beyond no I I I personally think it is. I'm just saying the perception of what it may look like. Exceptions for other people. Right. Yeah, right, and this you know. So on September fourteen, the mayor fires singletary with a for sentences effective immediately. Your employment is policed. You for the city of Rochester's terminated. Your final paycheck will be issued October eight two thousand and twenty and will include any unused time in your vacation and compensatory time banks. Your health, dental and vision insurance coverage to the city of Rochester will end on September thirty two thousand and twenty, which time you'll be eligible for Cobra continuation coverage. Information regarding Cobra will be mailed to your home address and, as...

...they say in these forms, that we will be reading some and substance. So, yeah, so he's fired on the on the fourteen. I watch your question. Sorry, no, you're fine. So, so, so, so I'm saying. So, if you remember when this first happened, he wasn't fired. Right. If when you when it first happened, he was this, don't know. Great it was and I would have to go back to what it happened after those news conferences to find out what what? What led to the all of a sudden is another news conference world there and he's fired. Yep. So at first it was he was not even help and I remember asking the mayor one of those first news conferences, are you going to fire the chief? And if anybody really has time on their hands, they can go back to facebook live and looking back and I ask her, are you going to fire the chief? No, I'm going to work with them to make sure these things so and and that's that was never it was the whole we are when you unit there's a whole sliter solidarity that came out about it. At first they were all kind of they were impressors together, if you recall, they were they were trying to look as though that they were going to work together to get this resolved. And it was only until, and that was fine, until some more information about the the actual date of when this happened, saying that, wow, this happened a while ago. This, this wasn't something that there's this knew. This happened, you know, a while back. So then he was retiring and she was going to allow him to retire for recall. So that was that was phase too. And then all of a sudden it when the pressure start to mount more about what happened. The protests start to happen more and more and more. That's when the firing happened. Well, I don't know if you can draw the straight fold line from from there, but there was there. There was a we're going to work, he's going to he and the command staff step down and then he is and then he is fired and again that timeline will be in these in these documents, right, right, right as well. You know, I really urge people to to read primary documents like this to know what is being said, because it said before, no reporter. I mean I worked with two of the best court reporters in this community over the last fifty years and they wouldn't be able to write the whole story. And you don't have the space to do right, right, right. If if you want to be in performed on this, if you want to be able to follow along, I really urge you to spend some time with these documents. I mean maybe tough going depending on what you're you know, for your background is, as far as you understand, either either or so there's not a lot of police lingo. But just reading this, it's all written in a very formal read. Yeah, it's not. It's not easy. Different language, right, right, right time with it, but I honestly think it will be well worth your time. Use. This isn't going away. These are accessible. That's on their website. Like I said, they send the media an email that the new documents of there. All the documents are on this website. But any of this subpoenas right up through. I certainly you know. Look at what are you doing? New Year's right? No one's no New Year's Eve party. That's true. That's true. You should take you into two thousand and twenty one. We read this website. No problem to be two thousand and twenty one before you know it. Well, well said. You're right, not really going anywhere. If your night plan you here you go. Just gave you something to do. You're welcome. Service really well to be continued on this. Obviously this is this thing is just getting started. So I'm sure this is going to unravel right before our eyes within the next coming months. So stay tuned to see how this goes. And you're right, it's really it's really hard to prejudge on this right now. All you can do is get yourself informed and then we'll see how it plays out. This is one hundred point nine FM, extreme independent radio, your urban alternative. The Dog. When I see the man chilling,...

...when a dog in the park, I put the very stony with my heart full of field. Look at the dog. My God, twelve o'clock as I picked the wallet and I call set Sanders close, but I never feel night. But when I got home Christmas time in Holly Squeens, MOM's Cook at chicken in college, Grease races in Macaroni and cheese. Instead of put gifts under Christmas trees, deck your downs with flights. At night, Snow's on the ground, Snow White, so bright, and the five place is the you all long beneath the Mistle Toe, and we trace and knocks the rocks that we pus Christmas Carol, Miss Carol's Rub so loud and proud. To Christmas time. We got this very jack. That's what Christmas is all about. The time with the MIC in my hand and I'm chilling a cool and just like you're so man so your eyes. Let us a we want to say merry Christmas and happy to yeah, inside the margins, as sponsored by sealbators. For more information, don't who. Who's offered and locations near you. Visit Salvatorscom. All right, let's move on to vaccines. So, as you could, you you your continue coveragenesis. Fantastic by the way, but as we all know, the numbers are still not great. The covid the the cases are still very high, the percentages are still not very well. It's and it's not just locally, it's nationally and it's even internationally, I believe the UK, as they've gone in a extreme lockdown right now because of what's been happening and they've had some sort of mutant strain. I heard that's out there. That's that's causing some more issues. So the vaccine seems to still be that light at the end of the tunnel and there's still is a lot of fear from from taking it. Right a lot of people are still kind of hesitant to take the vaccine once it's available because, let's face it, they don't trust the government. It's so because, because they don't trust the government, they don't trust in this vaccine. So I saw your story. You recently covered what Michaelman, Dr Michael Mendoza, was talking about regards to the vaccine and what were what was that. In regards to Patty. Well, let me back up for a second. So there was a call earlier last week. So the county wants to put together a vaccination task force. Okay, task forces in the which we do, don't we task force for so public communication about the vaccine, about its distribution, about answering people's questions. What what people want to know? And that task force is being led by the former deputy director more county health department, that's Doctor Dancy. Bennett and Wade know it from common ground health and so they the point that they made on the call, on that call was that operation warp speed may not have helped settle the vaccine. I totally agree with that, absolutely so. And a very health educators out there. Don't get let me get started on how I think health education was really left, probably left...

...behind the messaging in this, but that's probably for another show. You have the masters in health education. So full disclosure. But the operation warp speed sounds really cool, right, was warp speed? And you know the got Jean Lu Picard on the death of the enterprise and make it make it so, and he even you go. So School Space Force, right, things are flying off and this is all this craziness going on. Speed come all over the place. Well, that I'm doing and I could of you know, crash into something or miss something or whatever. So operation warp speed sounds really cool, but when you're trying to sell this the skeptical people, if something wind at warp speed, what did we you know, we miss. What do we miss? We miss on so both both document it and way, you would mention that, you know, and probably, in hindsight, not the best name for this. Yeah, maybe some of them mistrust. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that, totally, totally. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry, glad. The other thing too, that that I said to somebody the other day. I also think our say what you want about stem science, technology, engineering and mathematics courses of study. Say What you want about, hopefully the emerging popularity of those. I think as any as a nation to whole, I'm going to generalize, we are scientifically illiterate. That is coming to haunt us on this for a variety of reasons. Are Science Knowledge and our comfort with science is not up to where it probably ought to be, and that really comes out in something like this, where it's messenger RNA is a difficult concept to explain people. But I just think are our discome for in general with science as a nation's not helping us right now. Again, you know it. You think it's plan that I try to agree with Patty on the tide, but I don't. But, but, but I do agree with you. I'm both things so much that it's crazy. I think that you're right. When you think of science, right, you think of trials and cases and studies and like the placebos versus the real like there's a bunch of things that go into it before you actually come out with a solid product, or a solid invention, if you will, in science. So when you make a process, a scientific process, sound rushed, like the world, like you said the word warp that means as fast as possible, beyond the speed of light. Right. So if you make a scientific process sound rushed, it can put doubts in your head like, okay, if you're rushing this, are you taking the steps that you would have taken if you weren't rushing this? Are you skipping over things? So they probably did not. This is probably done very well. However, that word is going to mess with people's heads. And number two, you're right. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. I have an idea what happened, but that's when I got to talk about that. But I but for some reason all of a sudden science became in our country not a factual thing really anymore. Right, it's like left up to your interpretation, which that's not what science is for. Science is supposed to be pretty definitive because because it because there's a process that you go through to get your answers as scientists. It's trial and error and it's actual fact. Base analysis is analysis that you use to get information in science. But for some reason now we don't think of that as a real thing. We think of as left up to your repretation or the scientist says what you want to say. But it's it's science. I think you're right. We don't trust in science and we meet the process sound rushed. So we have both of those going against us. And I also think that we we tuned into science when it's sort of this whisby moment. Okay, we're gonna space shuttle or yeah, good point, Yep later, you know, think things along like those lines. But and and we focus on the reason salt. So this I am not going to explain Messenger rnag you and I think I understand it. But if I start talking to be like me trying to give that website I got to look at, but that has been worked on. Science doesn't start, Oh my God, this is a pandemic, we have to figure this out. Science is always happened to. Thank you. Yes, it's Al it's always going on. There's always somebody. Do you people...

...know this? You're smart. That's why you listening to the happening. And then it's okay, where do we going to apply this? So they've been trying to figure out new ways and deliver vaccines and can we work with, you know, Ura and DNA and all kind of stuff like that. So now there's an application for this. Right, I think that's been being worked on for years with something. Oh, but now we have this application for it, let's start applying it here. It's not like we just invented messenger RNA on Victober eighth, whatever one of the first cases were in this country, or whatever it's been, came out of China January. Second we're going to invent MESSENGER RNA and and Weston ten months will have it in a vaccine. been going on for a while, right. We just sort of hearing them all again, because my guess is that if you were to google, Google, scholar, messenger RNA, development of Messenger RNA, my guess is you would find things from several years ago. Absolutely everything was a you know, August two thousand and twenty. Right, no, you have you're right. So, sciences, this is these are things that have already been worked on. They just kind of tweaked it to it to be used towards the situation. That's kind of you're right, that's exactly how it's working. But, like you said, to I think our audience, our audience probably understands that the people that are not listening are the ones that need to hear what you just say said. But yes, you're right. So quiet. If you loogs, can also website look up an singletary's, you know, it is notice a claim and all the paperworking. While you're sharing the website with them. You can talk to them well about this stuff. That's all right. Yes, you, you be our messenger. are in it. I'm going to. I want to end on a happy note. Still, though, Patty, we're still going to end on a happy note because, Patty, it's the holidays, it's Christmas, you know, hum but yeah, I was. I was checking the papers just to see what's happening out there, and obviously there's no parties or gatherings or anything that happening. However, there are still some of those lights that you can drive through and you could kind of just in your car watch the lights, light presentation. If you have a family and you want to do something, go ahead and do that. That's that's safe. You're just you and your family in your car driving through, watching the lights, and that still gives you kind of a feel of Christmas right, especially if it's if it, if it does snow, you get that White Christmas on a dark light and the lights. So do something Nice, enjoy what you can and, you know, justly just remember sit again. I'm sorry, but Diday, can anybody take us up and contact Adam Bellow and say can you use Karzak funding for for New Year's I unfortunately did not get any communications from our listeners. Yeah, I was hoping. Yeah, I think it's I think it was. I still think it was a great idea. You still can still want to know if people think it's a good idea. We were and we were talking about the fireworks. You know what, I'm not even tell the story. You go to inside the margins RADIOCOM and go listen to our previous episodes. I believe it was probably about three or four episodes back. You're going to want to listen to that and you can. You can hear what about Patty and I talked about. I believe it's even labeled about the fireworks. So go there yourself take a listen. That's right, I'm selling ours. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Our show, Patty. Look, salvators Nice, very good. By the way. Don't Cook for thanks for the holidays. If you're if you want to take it easy, go ahead and go to Salvatoris Thatcom? There's a whole bunch of food there that you could take a look at and you can find the nearest location to you and see the foods that are offered at Salvatorscom. All right, Patty, I want to wish you a merry Christmas and thank you so much for being part of our show. We always appreciate that and I wish you a usefull time and probably we can all look at the principles of Quanza and take something out of absolutely something that will be meaningful in our lives for short and long term, from most principles and maybe I'll send you a slicer. So from salvators. Patty as well. No cheese, lactose in taller. I got you. Don't worry, I got you covered. I got you covered. Oh cheese, no PEPPERONI. We're good. I got you covered. Well, unlike my vegetable pieces, I think they do it. They need they do a Califar press. I believe I got you covered. Yeah, all right, we gotta get out of here. STAY SAFE, everybody. I have a happy holiday, Quanza, Hanaka,...

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