Inside the Margins
Inside the Margins

Episode · 1 year ago

New York Reopens?


We discuss the reopening of New York State and address the rise in violent crimes.. 

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Well, hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I am your host, Matt Wilson. Rainy weekend we just got through was not a rain I think even on Saturday it was like a mixture of like hail and sleet. Kind of kind of weird for me, but you know, this is upstate New York and that's what we deal with and of course there's always a bunch happening in the news. Last week Patty and I were talking about some of the festivals that may be taking place. Looks like there's been some updates on that. Will kind of talk about that a little bit. Also, the violence. There is some finally not order. People are recognize that they're that that's an issue and may lowly Warren has a plan and we'll talk about that and also we're going to talk about just the general violence here and also the vaccinations and what was that mean for what the restaurants are doing and what everyone else is doing. So we're going to talk about all of that. Hopefully we'll try to cover all that within this hour. Before we get into that, let me go ahead and bring in someone who makes things a little bit more clear for me when I'm confused. It's the minority reporters, patty singer. Hello and good after you to you, Patty. Hey, matt, it's Nice it's Monday again, the funday. All right, we maybe best, the best part of the week right Monday afternoon. I always think this, but thank you for everybody who's listening now and when you catch up with us, we absolutely definitely do. Patty, another busy week. It looks like, Oh my Gosh, oh my gosh, no, I know how that, how that little mouse or hamster or whatever feels on the wheels just keeps going around around. I mean last week, but you know of last week's edition and this week's edition of minority reporter where stories about the Police Accountability Board. They are explaining their budget request to the public. They have a couple more forums scheduled the American rescue plan. It's which is sort of stimulus two all in a sense helps revitalize restaurants. Okay, the volunteer legal services is now named just cause they change their name and as the need for Pro Bono legal services increases, they have put the call out for lawyers to step up and donate their services for civil matters. Rochester Regional Health Debra stamps. She was honored nationally for her leadership in diversity the courts. We talked about violence, so I had a chance to talk to Craig Doran, who is the administrative judge for the seventh judicial district, which covers Rochester. We talked about what can the courts do to address violence. Potentially there is already a gun court, but there could be something else coming down the pike. As far as what the courts can do to address of violence issues and what we'll talk about, the office of neighborhood safety will coordinate the city's anti violence efforts. Efforts will go more into that. Solutions to violence must change young people's hearts and minds. Clay Harris, who is founder of the United and healing through hope of Monroe County, was part of a law enforcement news conference last week and he talked about what what hope, healing and hope can do. And opinion and editorial we have shoven is guilty. Our work is cut out for us. And Reverend Michael Warren writes about something to think about, a true display of racism. All right, thanks so much, Patti. And of course, if you want to find all those stories and full you can go to minority reporter dotnet. All the full versions of all that that petty just mentioned will be found there. You will also have the opportunity to subscribe to the minority reporter. I am a subscriber, have been for a little bit. I believe it's a great way to stay informed and get the information that matters to you and about your community to you, so definitely take advantage of that. Also, they like to hear from you. If you have any comments, questions or suggestion, they'll certainly take those under consideration. All you have to do with an email to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. Again, as editor at minority reporter Dotnet, and also if you want to catch up on inside the margins, if you missed an episode or if you saw a topic that we talked about and you want to hear what we talked about, aren't you go ahead and go to inside the margins RADIOCOM. All past episodes are there. You can also go to I heartcom or where we get your podcast, where we make it easy for you to find us.

So if you want to hear one of our past episodes, it's there for you. All right, Patty. So let me jump right into this because I want to spend more time on the violence topic. That's very important. But I know the government, the governor, started doing his little meetings again, his virtual meetings, little presentations he does, and I know we talked a little bit. I have some confusion here. So it looks like this New York is going to pretty much open back up may nineteen SORTA. So just want to kind of see if we can maybe clarify this because again, it's there's a lot of confusion on it. So it's it's going to allow the restaurants and another businesses are going to be able to open up to full capacity, but there seems also be a caveat to that. Is that correct? Well, yeah, it's just in and this is in something that locally, that in Monroe County Executive Adam Bellow in Monroe County Health Commissioner, Dr Michaelmdos I, of every three most most Thursdays, they have a news conference and they seem to be my senses, they are. They are growing short tempered with with the confusion in this and not they would like some clarity. They they sent a notice out, a news release out, I think it was a maybe ten days ago now, that says that anybody who wants to have an outdoor event contact them and they'll help you work through all of this. They want they want events to go on, sure and they understand there's a lot of confusion and they keep calling for the for the state, to offer some more clarity. So, you know, the governor sends out from the Governor's office. They send out these news releases. So they post these news releases, you know, in big type. You know, and here's large scale indoor venue capacity increases to thirty percent. Large scale outdoor venue capacity increases to thirty three percent. On May nineteen. Proof of vaccination or recent negative tests still required in New York. Okay, so you need to basically, instead of showing your idea to get into a bar, now you probably have to show some kind of you know, your vaccine card exactly. And then they talked about, you know, while most industry specific restrictions will be lifted, industry specific requirements will remain an effect for a longer period of time. I including state or local health authority, event notification, screening contact, contact information for tracing. Okay, what does that mean? It's just it. You know, I'm stumbling over again. Great Sabe are, sorry, man, but it's just hot. You know, you can have full capacity or we've we have. We lifted a capacity restriction as long as everybody's vaccinated and you stay six feet apart. If you have to stay six feet apart, you haven't really lifted your capacity restriction. Because if if my establishment, I'm going to make it up right, say I could have three day say the Fire Marshall, let me have three hundred people. Okay, because fire marshal is really the ones who set capacity. Right. That's absolutely correct. Regulations on these right. So the Fire Marshal Says I can have three hundred people, but I can't have three hundred people and people have to stay six feet apart. Right, exactly correct. So I'm bad at math. I don't know what my square footage is for my three hundred. How much? How much? Every how many square feet? Each person is a lotted to have three hundred, but you you can't. I mean I work at a fitness facility. So when you okay, great, we don't have you know, our capacity is relaxed, but you still have to block off every other machine. Right, I still have six feet. What is how do you have full capacity when you have to stay six feet apart? Right, and I told a hundred percent with you it, you're still going to probably eliminate between a third or half of the people that would normally be in your facilities. Again, I you're right. It's all going to depend on your square footage. Obviously that that's going to determine out how much spacing is available. But for the most part, if you've ever gone to a restaurant, which I'm sure many you have, or if you gone to a bar or Jim or anything like that during the during the busy times, you're pretty packed. Right. There's not a lot of spacing in between of them, to between those things. So if you're going to have to eliminate people to make sure you can have the proper spacing, then you're not really operating at fully full capacity. So it's kind of I don't know, it's kind of saying something but meeting something else. You know. I mean, it's just that it's not very clear. Well, the thing that comes to mind is this. I think of like Orwelli in right. Is this something that George Orwell would have written? Or is this like a catch twenty two? There you kind of thing. It's just kind of's language where you read it and you go, I have you saying one thing, you meet another. Meanwhile, all right, not to put too much of a damper on this, but... of May third, looking at the CDC covid tracker and the New York State Department of Health Tracker, I'm I'm imagining that this is full. Monroe county the case rate per hundred thousand in the previous seven days was in the red zone. Yeah, all right. You know, I was never one that said Covid wasn't real. COVID is real. It's been real the whole time. Yes, I'll be honest with you, Matt. I am more concerned about it now that I probably was six months ago, because six months ago everybody was not everybody. Many people were taking a lot of precautions and they were. They were distancing, no pun intended, themselves from people that they disagree with, that they thought were taking too cavalry approach to this. Right. So now we have in Monroe County we have about half of the residents, eligible residents in Monroe County have one, at least one dose. Yep, I really think that now is when people are starting to let down their guard. I mean, how many people will finish their doses, but how many people would just say one and done? There's a variant, know, the South African variant is is I read something I could a week ago that that was causing some problems in other places of the world. This thing is. This thing is is more than your nagging little kid, sister or brother who won't go away you when you want to be left alone. I mean, you know, this thing is not leaving any time really soon as far as I'm concerned. Right for and I don't know if we're it granted, we're going to be outside. So you sit at frontier field and your distanced to part and it, you know, or even if you're not near the vaccinated section, you're outside and and things with dissipated and will have less of a problem there. But I'm not sitting in my house under the covers. No, but I just I think I am far more circumspect now about my behavior then I may have been six months ago, when everybody was masking and dissus much more. was much more diligent right right about it. I don't know. I again, my anxiety is probably up a little more now that it was that. Well, we talked about this one of our episodes, about covid fatigue, and I know we're in the depth of Cotique now. People are, I'm sure most people are, tired of being away or working from home, or not having access to the things that they used to have have or just being able to freely go to and from wherever they want to. And you're right, I believe, the vaccinations and the fact that so many people have now had covid people are beginning to think. Well, I think we're we've already kind of was the storm. I think people forget two really important things, and I'm glad you brought up the numbers, patty, because it's I think it's important for people to understand this. Number One, the number for the young, younger people who who some of the people who still can't be factated. That number is seeing an an incline right so younger people are are the ones now it's not the older people who. Before it was the older people that were more at risk. Now it looks like most of the older people who were concerned have, I won't say most, but a decent amount of older people have been vaccinated now. So the ones that are still kind of free will in regards to what are the younger people. So it's not just the ones who can't get bacinated, it's still the people who are like eighteen, one thousand, nine hundred and twenty who can be vaccinated. They're still their numbers are still increasing. So that's one thing that's still concerning to me and you're right. I've been to a few I won't say where, but I've been to a few things where families are participate and you know, the first day everyone like put their masks on, like for show, to make sure everything was cool. The day two of that event, like no one is wearing their masks, and so it's I think people are you're right, it's summer's coming. Summer's sure as right right around the corner. A lot of things happening outside are going to be taking place and people are beginning to relax their their precautions that they were taking in order to avoid covid. But let me step way into that. But saying that, so we're saying a lot of things are going to happen this summer. But guess what, Patty, a lot of things are happening this summer because a lot of those festivals that we're going to happen have been canceled. MMM. So we were talking. So last week we were talking about the one of the big ones that you and I kind of particular before kind of just walk through was a jazz festival and they had relocated that to Ourrit and now they've pulled it, so it's no longer happening. Right. One of the things I want to want to look at. We talked about the active confirm cases. Okay, so as of May seventh, according to the Monroe County...

...covid nineteen dashboard, four thousand eight hundred and seventy six active confirmed cases. So we're going back to January to have active confirmed cases in the four thousands. Wow, that's what four months yeah, so we were down you know, in February we're in the twenty five hundreds, in March were in the twenty two's, and March when the twenty one hundreds. March seventh were down to with under one fourteen hundred confirmed active confirmed cases, and now we're up to for thousand eight hundred and seventy six active confirmed cases. Does that worry anybody else? Should? It should. That's why I know there's some people who are kind of concerned about the schools. They're either upset because of school some of the schools, including the ones of the city, aren't allowing five day a week classes yet. However, some people are still worried about that and I think, and I think you make a valid point, you should be worried. You should still be worried. It's not over yet. They're still varyance yet and there's still allows number people who are not vacinated yet. So so there's still an issue and we need to see some more progress with the vaccination, to see more progress with the precautions being taken before. Hey, listen, I don't think you were. I want to be secluded for the rest of our lives or take always wear a mask for the rest of your lives. But you also got to get smart too. I this thing will someday, will someday be just part of life, where you get your vaccination and you walk through life, but we're not there yet and we have to realize that. Yeah, and I you know. So if I think about this, if I remember to ask this, you know, with the in the the covid briefings week and means. You know, is anybody else concerned about the fact that we've had the most active the number of active confirmed cases really since January? Yeah, you know, Dr Mendoza, and I don't we I'm not hearing that. I'm not hearing that number talked about. Yeah, I think, and I think, I think, as always, I hate saying that, but I think that we're beginning to open things up because I think the people are really speaking. To buckle to the pressure of the general population. Who wants to get back into they business is it want to be back open, people want their businesses back to capacity, people want to get back into the making their money and opening and operating at full capacity. But you know, this thing is still real. People are still getting sick or are dying out there. So we got to be careful and as I and as I mentioned before, the festivals still seem to understand this. Festivals are still taking another year off because it's, you know, I mentioned last week pat ails like, you know, maybe the ones that are doing ticketing are going to be open because you can kind of control the population, but it looks like even those are beginning to they're going to be. They're taking a step backs and you know, it's it's hard to regulate people coming in and out and making sure people everyone is, you know, following safety guidelines. So we're just gonna just going to cancel it. So I can't remember. I think the fairest will going on right. I think you're sans. Last night last night heard. Yeah, so you talk about businesses. So you know in this week's Mien or reporter we have an article about the restaurant. Yep, we fight out market and rescue plan for to help restaurants. So every month, I think it is the New York state control where he's The guy who tells us how much money we have and where it's going and needs to be auditor and who's spending money correctly and who's not. Issues or recap really of sales tax revenue, and the last headline I saw that was it. The revenue still was down. So a couple things here. People, People's livelihoods. MM. Their business is their livelihoods. Yousoually make money and greet. No, this is this is their business in this is how they also support their community by providing goods and services, you know, good service, fair prices, to their community. People need things. I'm not an economist, but I'll play one on the radio right now. Anybody Remember Zachmer? So, if we don't have tax revenue, how do we pay for things like the restaurant revitalization plan? MM. Where does that money come from? If, if we if we don't have people spending we don't want and municipalities are collecting tax money, how are they funding their services? In Monroe County, I believe it's property taxes and sales taxes. I think those are the two biggest revenue generators. Yeah, so does that mean that our property taxes will continue to go up? And if you're a renterer, you say I don't know proper that. Does it matter to me? You Trust me, you're going to be paying your in what? Yeah, exactly.

Someone owns ability that you live in. It's right, right, and so you are going to be contributing that increasing property taxes. So there is a need on many, many, many, many levels to get businesses back. Yeah, on the psychological, the mental, healthy, emotional, the financial, anything you can imagine, there's a reason to get businesses back. So I'm not saying no, we need to we need to have a complete shutdown and go back to the way it was in March and April and May. Of Two thousand and twenty. No, but I just these numbers are concerning to me. And if we fling open the doors, are we going to be able to even start edging them back once the doors are flung open? I just I don't know. I mean, I'm not the governor, I don't have to make these decisions, I just sit here and critique, but this is just how it looks to me. Yep, no, I you and I once again are on the same page. I obviously don't want it to go back to everyone indoors, no one go anywhere, only get delivered stuff, and I don't think that's what we need to do either. But I think we just need to proceed with caution, like, if you will, instead of opening up the fluck. I say, okay, we're open and that's it. We're all open. Now, just wear a mask. We're open. Don't worry about everything. We can't. We got to make sure we're doing things properly. We can, we can continue to monitor how things are going and act accordingly to the numbers. But it looks like we've gotten to the I think what you and I are both saying is is it's almost like the numbers aren't really even in the configuration anymore. People are just deciding that it's time to open up, and that's what I think it's concerning. Is, if you're looking at the numbers and how things are still playing out there, we still need to exercise some caution. We shouldn't say, well, you know what, this is open to see what happens. I don't think opening and see what happens is is the right approach, I guess. Before we move on, I guess I'll add this. Is it? Whatever happened to the phrase out of abundance of caution that we heard for the past year? Out of an abundance of caution, we did this out of third right. So where is that abundance of caution? Now we just have a little bit. We no longer have the abundance that we once had. The abundance has been thrown out the window, it looks like. All right, so just be careful off there. Things are going to open up, it looks like. So this being cautious. I guess the best of Vice Patty and I both can give to you is get get vaccinated, because if you're if you're going to if you're going to partake in that stuff, get vaccited. It's a good way to keep yourself, you and your family and your community safe. So just get vaccinated. All right, Patty, when we come back we're going to tackle the big topic, the violence that's been happening and Mary and lovely warrens response to that violence. Will talk about all that when we come back. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to you inside the margins, and Patty is still with me. She making sure that I don't have a breakdown because of my abandment issue. So thank you for hanging out with you, Patty. I appreciate it. All right, there is professional help available. I'm working on it. I'm working all right. So, Patty, not and not so great news, I guess. Violence continues to be an issue in our community. Young people are are often involved in this violence, not just reset in the receiving again, but the actual acting as well. Have Been Very young people and regards of the violence, carjackings and all types of things happening and it looks like it seems that the messages is finally getting out there, that we get that there's the social and Inja's issue and the COP issue, but it's time. It's time to look at what's happening in our community and the violence as an issue as a whole. So maylily Warren came up with a plan to help combat this violence. Let's talk about that. It doesn't really involve police, if I'm correct. Right, so it's the office of neighborhood safety. I mean when you and I were kids and Matti, the others of neighborhood safety was the local precinct. Yes, so right. So now it's not. This is this is going to be citizen led. There's going to be starting. I believe it's going to be in July. They'll be with the collie violence summit. They want people in the community to you know, what what types of services are, to kind of suggestions would make a real not just a debt in the violence, but would just change trajectory. So it's interesting this the mayor's news conference came a day after the law enforcement, the Monroe County Chiefs Association, had a news conference in Gates talking about they provided the chief their Jim van Bretta road provided an update on the carjacking to see provided a timeline on that. That this these episode started in Florida and, you know, worked their way up the east coast here and culminating April seven with the with...

...the death, with the shooting of Richachasha on fuel road. So he is president of the Chiefs Association of Monroe County. So he spoke for the chiefs. There were other chiefs that were there. A lot of law enforcements are Livingston County Sheriff was. The Monroe County Sheriff Department had representatives there. There were town supervisors. Your Ver Sharoman was there. Frank I'll coffer from Monroe County legislator, legislature through a lot of people there talking about what what needs to be done. Clay Harris was there. He is with united and healing through hope of Monroe County he had a news conference later in that week, later in the week to talk about a church approach. of He talked at he didn't give a lot of details at the law enforcement news conference, but he talked about it being, you know, took things like moral compass and values and things like that bringing that out. So you know, that's in the back of my mind as I hear the mayor talk about her office of Neighborhood Safety. I asked her, I said, so, are you going to point or hire a violence Tzarar like we hear about drugs, ares and right, yeah, the kind of thing, and she kind of laugh that off the a little bit. But I wonder, and I said this to her during that news conference. He said Rochester loves to say they cooperate, but they also love to be in their own little world, the silos. So how, how are you going to get how are you going to get people out of their silos to really work together on this problem? When haven't we had community organizations for debt okage working on violence problem? HMM, yeah, we have. So what? How? How we going to reinvent the wheel on this or what is it going to take? Maybe we don't need a wheel maybe we need a trapezoid, maybe we need a parallelogram. All right, so, but but how are we going to get people who have their own interests in the reasons that they want to stop violence to work with other people who have their own reasons they want to stop violence together on this problem? It sounds like I'm probably talking in that in that circle and not making a lot of sense. But how is it we going to come together? There's, first of all, there's a faction of the community that wants nothing to do with police. Yeah, and there's a faction of the community that supports the police. Clay Harris, in front of law enforcement, said that there is a there is a a silent majority of people who want police, YEP, and they're drowned out by the minority of people who don't. So you talk about bringing the community together. Which community right? We have a fractured community, or do we? Is it a small minority that's saying no police, but most people want police? Were going to find out at this violence summit we need a more robust police response or we're going to find out that citizens can set the agenda for what a violence response looks like. I don't know I'm just paid to or not paid to wait for my pizza just, you know, to just sort of throw out these questions for people to either say she's nuts or yeah, there's a there's there's a point there, just to get people thinking. No, you make a very valid point and the reason why we started combining our efforts on this program is because of your the model that you guys have from information understanding, and I think that's very important right here, is because I do think for the I could be wrong and Lord knows, would not be the first time I've been wrong pay but I do think people still want police in general. I do. I do think the majority of people don't want the police to just disappear and have people police themselves, because, I I I can't see how that would be a good idea and if you actually sat down and and thought about it, I don't see how you could come to a conclusion where that is going to be a great idea. I think what happened with police hurt people when they saw all the film, in the footage of and not just locally but nationally, with things that were happening. I think people were hurt and people thought that something need to be done, which I'm not sure I agree with that. I do think more training, reeducation, understanding and going in with a softer touch when with the at your first approach you know at but when you serve it the scene you may need a more confrontational approach. All depends on what your situation is. I think those are things that we can definitely work on. I don't know if anyone's going to Disgar of that right. I think we can. We can all agree that, yeah, we can, we can make things better. I don't think anyone doesn't doesn't want to make...

...things better. But I think it's funny because you will if you've ever seen some of these demonstrations, are a protest. Some people, you know, are they'll chant one thing and then a small group turn it a different way. They'll turn it to you know, you know, like you know, justice for somebody also becomes defund the police or aboliship. All of a sudden the fund the plife becomes a Bolship police. So I don't think you can handle violent criminals again, violent, not people who are having mental episodes. We've talked about that a lot, you and I, Patty, and that's a whole different approach with someone who actually has a real mental issue that needs help. But violent criminals you have to have some sort of authority who can handle an approach and confront violent criminals. You can't have someone with the Pencil and the pad who wants to sit down have a conversation with someone who doesn't want to have her conversation and just wants to be a violent criminal. We have to if we don't understand that, we're going to have some problems. I think, well, yes, I I agree with that. I think there is up. There is a place for both of those rights. The person, the person who has to also want to have that conversation and so so some people in the throes of a mental health episode may not be in a position to have a conversation right they just may not be for whatever reason. So you can't force the conversation on them. But the thing, I guess, what I would like to see come from all these conversations is that we keep in mind public safety. That, yes, what is public safety? Sometimes public safety is policing, sometimes public safety is a conversation with a police officer or with a person in crisis or a family crisis or forensic intervention team, whatever. It's a conversation with somebody. Sometimes public safety is seeing a police officer in a car as a police officers doing his or her paperwork, but they're parked on your street doing that paperwork. Having a presence can be public safety. I mean, why do you put again? We talked about this weeks ago. Why are there speed traps on the highway? Stay? Troopers sit there to make you sit. That is policing right and it works. Trust me. They never want to go after somebody. They you know, they don't come on. They how many ways can that go wrong? For everybody? Everyone? You get accidents the car right down public I think if we look at it from public safety, and that's our definition of what is public safety, now law enforcement will stay. Well, I think they will send one put words in them mountory on sanitary to put words in somebody's mouth that bail reform, parole reform is not under that huge umbrella of public safety. They talked about that. That Chiefs Association talked about that at their news conference. There were the sheriff from Livingston County, Thomas Dhready, said he understands that bail reform, bail cannot be a proxy for wealth. You can't be doing wallet biopsies. Yes, at the judge you can't do that. Okay, so find another way that you can that you're not punishing poverty but you are still keeping somebody safe. Now Rochester Police Department is doing something I think is rather interesting, and this is behind the scenes and I don't know how often you the person, regular person, will see this in their news releases they are starting to occasionally, on some of them, not all of them, they are starting to put in some of the background up of people who are accused of crimes, people that they arrest and they accused of a crime or they allege happened. They're putting in some of their background. So there was one that was of a death. There was apparently a death on there was an assault on April seven. The person died on April twenty two. The people who were taken into custody for that and charged with crimes related to that. In the news release announcing it they are saying that both of the people alleged to commit the crime were out of custody on assault charges resulting from an incident last year. Right and October four apparently these people were together on that previous incident. So the Russians police are making a point of saying that people who are accused of a subsequent violent crime were, we're, out of custody and charges of another what they would call violent crime,...

...assault, second degree assault. So I'm trying to see. So I think I'm trying to make sense, sense of the releasing that the dates are not are not that that clear and me, but and one of whose, one of these instances the Monroe County District Attorney's office requested bail for for both. One of the people was released with no bail requirement and the other was way to release on a bond. So they're making the they're trying to if reporters write that, and they had, that's up to us to what we want to put is from their news release, right. But if. But they post these things on their twitter and stuff like that, so they're you know, and their social media you can find these things they're trying to I think they're trying to make the point of see, this is what we've told you about bill reform. For some people it doesn't work. Yep, for some people it does, for other people it doesn't. Work. So there was another one, although there was a person who was there was a murder investigation relating back to April ninth, the Monroe Avenue One, and in that news release they had talked about that the alleged perpetrators were they there was a shooting death that the people involved were prohibited from legally possessing a handgun due to prior felony convictions. One of these people maxed out on parole for that conviction in October of two thousand and twenty. So I think they're trying to make the point, subtly or not so subtly, that we don't we don't want to punish people who are poor, but there are people who are repeat offenders that right that we need to do something with. Judges have to have some discretion on the so when I talked to Justice Doran about that, you know, the judges need to understand the law and the citizens need to understand the law of what can and can't be what are a bailable offenses. I'm so inelegant, but what if you know what offenses are eligible for real and what aren't? So I guess my point would be if you were upset by this contact your state legislator and say you got to fix this, because people who shouldn't have gun shouldn't be out on the street, people who are alleged to commit a violent crime or an assault. Do we do? We just want to put them right back on the street without having held them for any period of time to just see what's going on here. Right. So how do we make again, if public safety is our goal, how do we make bail and parole reform make sense under public safety? Right? I agree with all that. I know when we talk about all of this stuff in the past, sometimes we come up at it with different angles, but I think generally we have the same opinion is there's always a happy medium, right. There's always somewhere where you meet in the middle to find the best solution. It seems like, in my opinion, unfortunately, a lot of times we either are extreme punishment or no punishment. Right, either let everyone go or lock them all up. Both of those are bad answers right then, and that's what that's what kind of what you're saying. You don't want to punish people who are poor for very minute crimes and have them stuck in jail, and it kind afford bail, but you also don't want someone who has been doing this over and over and over again just to be let free so they can continue to do it. You got to find a way where it works but doesn't go too far, and that and you got to talk to each other and figure those things out. You can't, you can't just go with an emotional flow like everyone's getting punished too much. Let's just not punish anybody, or people are a monster in the streetlets punish everybody. There's always a happy medium where how it works, and I think that it's with bail reform, with policing, all of that. I think it all fall falls on the same umbrella. You can't just there should not just be abolish the police. There should be. Okay, there's some issues, US fix those, but we still need policing, because it is not people are going to run red lights and speed and even things are showing to think about right, not not stopping us, stop sign just blowing them, because there's no just no consequence if there's no police that to punish you for that. All right. So what you're calling format is leadership. You are very smart. Have but what we have politics right, how it's the definition. Well, I could look it up, but in my dictionary a politician is not necessarily a leader.

I agree with you, hundred politician, it becomes an elected official, right, a leader can hold no office. Now, one of the things that that I wonder about is, so we have a lot of people in the community who want to be leaders. Leaders also need followers, right. So, years and years and years ago I was in Grad School and I have a wonderful course and the person being instructor of the course, his big thing was followership. We talk a lot about leadership, not about followership. Who are your followers? Are Your followers sycophants who will never say anything's wrong, or are your followers a type of people who will say hey, emperor, you have no clothes on? Yeah, right, right. So, so you've brought up a couple of interesting issues. Is the issue of leadership versus politics. Who are our leaders, and are our leaders leading people who feel comfortable saying you have no clothes on? You know? That's that's the issue too, is we need followers who aren't just going to be mob right and say and say yes, we have to do this, because who were going to hold their leaders accountable for for four goals, for outcomes, for standards, for results, for for speaking honestly to them, even if it's things they don't want to hear. So those are the issues that we have to address. An in Rochester is the issue of leadership throughout. Whether you are a nonprofit organization or you're an elected official, are you a leader and are you able to listen constructively to your followers who may not be telling you what you want to hear? Right, right, wow, you're absolutely correct. I think everyone sees what happens and they want it to stop happening when it's bad, and we that's the double simple way I can put it. You see something bad, you want that bad thing to stop happening. So someone will say something. Say Hey, well, don't we just eliminate that and it won't happen anymore? But you can't eliminate an authoritative or person who keeps control, right, because if you eliminate that, this thing about let's let's take it. Let's go beyond policing. Just think about like at your schools. Can you imagine that the teachers had no power, if the students can just do what they want to do and there's no repercussion for that. No one's going to learn anything, your kids are no one's going to get in trouble for skipping school or or cheating off a tests or anything like that. There's got to be someone to enforce policies so people do the things that are correct and they don't do things that are bad for the classroom and everybody else, and that's just like in life. You can't you can't abolish someone who's trying to make sure that other people are aren't being caused harm by the general population. And that's why I think you are very wise when you mentioned the speed traps, because when we think completely, because of all the situations that have been happening, the first thing you think about placing now was, you know, someone being pull over Beeton or something because they because they did something wrong, which, again, I'm not saying that doesn't happen and that that should not happen, but we need to make sure that doesn't happen. I'm not no one saying that that's a cool thing that to happen, but if you break it down to basics, like when you're talking about the speech traps, can you imagine how how much more dangerous society would be if no one had to follow any traffic laws whatsoever, if there is no one to punish you for the speeding or the running the red light or the the stop signs, just blowing them or just driving in whichever lane you want to drive in. Can you imagine how many accidents and deaths and fatalities would happen if someone wasn't there to make sure that people didn't do that stuff? Guess who does that stuff? Police. So that's why we that's why we need them, because they keep us safe from these simple things, not the more complexities that we've been talking about. Just those small, simple things you can't have. You can't talk to someone to make to understand why they blew a stop sign. You got to stop them from blowing a stop sign and then you can talk to then you can talk the right if someone has, you know, numerous, numerous moving violations, then maybe you know, hey, listen, I see here this is the seventeenth time somebody stopped you for this all license and and and so you know. Okay, you think you make a good point here. So you talked about license suspensions. All right, so somebody stopped suspended license. It's the seventeen time they've been driving on a suspended license.

That's when, then you need to bring in somebody else who can say why are you driving? Why you're seventeen? Is it because you don't have two hundred dollars to get the car fixed? Your license was suspended, and so now coming up, this is what just been some legislation that's tried to address that, to to stop these license suspensions for things that aren't really be vehicle and traffic related. It right for that. The other thing, too, is you talk about policing in this is I don't know is the greatest example to bring up now, but gause, look going to be a lot more talk about the dirt bikes and atvs and yeah, that that brings up thing about, you know that again, public safety. How are dirt bakes in ATV's affecting public safety? If these operators are darting around the streets, that can create a problem for for legally, you know, licensed motor vehicles that are that are on those same streets. It could create a problem for pedestrians. People could be injured. You know, let's look at this not that we want to stop you from writing. Your dirt bike, but we have to promote public safety right. That's our number one goal. Number one goal is not allowing you to ride a dirt bike on a major with thoroughfare, city traffic, RT license. Major is public safety. Now can you ride your dirt bakes dirt bike someplace out where they're there is a better chance, where the public will be safe, including you, because you remember the public. Let's look at it from that way. If everybody cares about public safety, I think that's the Lens we have to look at everything through. Yeah, I agree, and I saw that someone made that that suggestion about having that dirt bike park and I'm I'm on see, I'm on board something like that. Yeah, I have a dirt bike park where you can go ride to dirt bikes legally and not be in the general population of traffic. I that's fine with me. And again I want to make sure I'm clear, because I know I'm probably to hear about it a little bit, but I'm not saying that policing should not be looked at and the things that have happened that were bad should not be looked at and things should not be changed. I'm glad there are things like the pick team and the fifth team. I'm glad that you got a chance to write along with the pit but with the pick team, I'm glad that we're trying to approach things at a different way so we can try to result in less confrontational outcomes. I think those are all great ideas, but I'm talking to the person who's sitting there listening right now, who's saying abolish the police. That, I believe, is way too far. You can't abolish the police because because we still if you want, and you say it perfectly, if you want public safety, if you want it not just yourself but you your family and everyone else in your community, if you want them to feel safe walking out their door going wherever they go, there's got to be someone out there that's going to help you be safe. You can't. And yes, you're your your neighbors and your brothers and your sisters and everyone else in the community should watch out for each other. I agree with that too. I'm not against that at all. But sometimes there's somebody out there, unfortunately, that you know, does not want to be a law but I didn't saitizen, and wants to do harm to people and you're going to need someone who's trained and equipped to handle that. Yeah, it's very true, it is. I mean I think that and I think that the pendum is swinging. Hopefully it comes back and and settles somewhere, as you said, somewhere in the middle of the middle on this compromises is what we net. Yeah, Patty, guess what? Oh, no, yeah, yipping. Yeah, yipping. It happens all the time. We we're coming to the end of the show, Patty. I just want to reiterate patty mention some things that are being talked about and written about in the minority reporter which is coming out. So if you want to see those and their entirety, why don't you go to the minority reporter dotnet again. That's minority reporter dotnet. Get those full versions of those stories that Patty was talking about. You also will have an opportunity to take that, those headlines in those stories with you by subscribing. You can have an online or you can have an actual hard copy that you can that you can have yourself, so if you want to actually sit down and read it, you can do that. You can do that as well. All you got to do is hit on that subscribe button again. I always mentioned I subscribe to the minority report. I think it's a great publication, so check it out. Also again by Noority reporter that the way that they write their stories is sometimes by listening to you. So what you want to hear is important to them. So what if you what you got to do there is send an email to editor at minority report at Net with your comments, your questions and your suggestions and they will do their best to see if they can accommodate your requests. Also, if you're just tuning into the minority reporter, I'm sorry to inside the margins room. If you're just turning and tuning in to inside the margins right now, you've missed it. We're at the end of the..., but that's okay. You can go to inside the margins. RADIOCOM Patty, another jam pack show as always. Oh, yeah, amazing. Yeah, Hey, how about we do this again next Monday? All, I will put it on my calendar. All right, all right, I'll check up with you to make sure your show up, because I you know how I might. I might have some issues of you don't. So I know how you feel about that. Man, people going to start to worry. Do I need to call to one more? All right, for Patty Singer, I have Matt Willson and this is inside the margins and we will see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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