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Episode · 1 year ago

Reimagining Public Safety


The Mayor's police reform plan, Singltary's testimony. Dr. Mendoza looks back at what could we have done better, and a married couple dies from Covid just days apart from one another.


Inside the margins is sponsored by salvators. I just took a DNA test. Turns out I'm a hundred percent Rochester. That's right, I got seven Hundredzero matches. We are all COOGIE's. I can't wait to shook your hand. Oh wait, I can't, but I can feed you. salvators famous full and you touchless delivery. So those thecom marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello and good afternoon and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your most Matt Wilson. The news continues to unfold and regards to what's happening with the police department after the pepper spraying of that young lady. Also ex chief Laurn singletary was in the news. He kind of spoke out as a situation on Daniel prude and and who knew what at what time. And also we have some news patty asked Dr Michael Mendozas some mental health questions and we're going to get into that and just a moment. But first before we jump into a bunch of topics. Now, we always do, we try to get into everything and we kind of run we run out. So we're going to try to get into as much as we can today, but before we do that let's go ahead and get into our headline news with my good friend from the minority reporter, Patty Seier. Good after do, Patty. Hey Matt, it's great to be here for for another week's we have a lot to talk about. I'm going to get right into it and I'm going to try not to talk really fast. Okay, we can actually hear the headlines are sounds good. All right. So covid continues to be in the news and our story about that this week is caregiver's face a quote unquote, selfless decision when advising a loved one about the vaccine. The Police Accountability Board has submitted recommendations for reforming the Rochester Police Department. City Council President Loretta Scott has announced that she will not run for reelection to council. We have some business news frontier field renovation could bring minority businesses to the plate. Could be an opportunity for minority businesses to get in on some contracts. Matt referred to the incident with the nine year old. According to the city, current protocols left the person in crisis team out of the call involving that child. URPD has issued statement. Issued a statement about safety at protests. They RPG said that they were not anticipating anything specific, but they just issued a statement about the citizens how they would respond to peaceful protests by citizens. In opinion, Deborah Hammer writes about parental empowerment and the Rochester City School district. In George Pain writes that police use of pepper spray and a child reflects a communal failure. Matt, thanks so much. Patti is always and as always, you can find the full versions of the headlines that Petta just spoke about on the minority reporter dotnet. The full versions are there. Also, you will have the opportunity to subscribe to the minority reporter as well. We certainly suggest that, because I also have a subscription to the minority reporter. It's great way for me to keep informed about what's happening in the community. So you have an option there to get a hard or digital copy of that editorial. So go ahead and subscribe to that as well if when you get the chance to. Also, if you have any questions, comments or suggestions, you can submit that as well to editor at minority reporter Dotnet and they will look at that for you and see if that's something they can appease to you and als we'll get that into the publication as well. And if you miss any episodes up inside the margins, you can always go to inside the margins RADIOCOM. All the episodes are there. We are also can be found on iheartcom or wherever you get your podcast. All right, before we take a break, I'm going to start doing this for the the remainder of February. This is black history month, so I like to highlight some historical people in black history. Just real quick thing. So the first person I'm going to reference for this month is booker t Washington. He was born into slavery and rose become a leading African American intellectual nineteen century. He also founded what's now known as the Tuskegee University and the National Negro Business League. Two decades later. So he was able to become a notable person after slavery and one quote I will use, that he had. Success is... be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life but by the obstacles in which he has overcome. All Right, book or t Washington, look him up. We'll be right back. We'll try to get into our topics. This is inside the market. Welcome back to inside the margins. I'm here with Patty and Patty, as always, we have a bunch to talk about. It's never a non full day for us, so let's jump right into it. Let's go ahead and and talk about what's going on as far as police reform. So I believe it was on Friday. It was. It was actually right during the the information that sequel Terry was giving on That Day, Mary Lovely Warren was talking about the reform that she's doing with the Rochester Police Department, where she's restructuring it, she's doing retraining, she's reallocating funding for the for the police as well. So looks like there's a whole restructuring happening or she's going to try to get implemented with the Roster Police Department. So that is in response to you'll hear executive order two thousand and three. That is what Governor Andrew Culombo mandated last Junes, is after George floys, before we knew about Daniel prude, that all communities in New York state would have to submit a plan by April first for reforming, reimagining public safety in their community or risk losing state funding. So I have put in a freedom of information request from Monroe County curious about how much they give the sheriff's department right now. You could do that for each municipality that has a police department. This is going to just be a guess for me that my guess is a small village police department doesn't get a lot of money from the state. So the reason to do this shouldn't be, oh, we're going to lose state funding. The reason to do this should be we need to take a look at what we need to do better and what we need to do differently. I mean there should be a moral implication or moral imperative, excuse me to should be a moral imperative on this, but now it'll be tied to money, because that's just how we do things. Yeah, for actually, that's true. You know what I like that you mentioned last week on the show you were talking about the looking when you are handling people who are in distress or maybe having some issues as a from a guardian point of view versus a enforcement point of view. I think, and again I think a lot on the show, but my opinion on this is if we do that, that's going to help a lot because I think if you if you look at things from a person who's trying to ensure safety versus strike to apprehend predators or or people who are breaking the laws, I think that you approach people differently. What's your opinion on that? I agree. You know, it's a lot of this is. It's complicated. Why is this Sky Blue Compli well, so, so I'm reading this book that has nothing to do with anything of this really, but I'm reading it and it's a title. The book is called surprised by God. What the book is? It's a young woman's spiritual journey to to in back into into Judaism. So one of the things that I picked up from it. She talked about looking at something. Is I looking at at your relationships. As I it versus I thow. So, if it's I, it it's the sense of the the she use an example of one of her friend's talks about the you know, the person who cleans the offices at night. If it's I, it, well, that's just the cleaning person. Gotcha right. But if it's I, though, it's a person looks tired and why I look tired, and do I contribute to that tiredness? So it's so, it's it's you are not isolated. Everybody's interconnected. It reminds me of the interview I had with Van White back in the fall, and boomto I I am. I'M gonna. I'm sorry, I missed out messing a bit, but it's it's your boot. It's again, it's this collective if it's collective sense of you know, I can't only be for me. I also have to be for other people who are around me. You're right, nope, and that makes sense. I think that's definitely a guardianship type outlook on life. If it's, if someone like me who has children, it's easy to see your own child and other young children when you're looking at other things. Like, for example, there was a story about a young lady, a young girl,...

...who died because a criminal. I don't know if you heard this story. It may not be a newer store, but I just heard on the news for some reason, but a criminal stole a car, jumped in the car and stole it and the young girl was in the back seat and she tried to get out. So she tried to jump out of the car about the seat belt, you know, held her in and the criminal didn't care and just kept going and ended up dragging that young child to death. And you see that kind of story and the empathy. You're so empathetic because because you can just imagine if you for a second like left your child in the car for some reason and you went to grab something somewhere, or you're putting gas in and you want to go pay for the gas real quick and someone jumps on the car and just drives off and that happens to your child, you you can feel the pain of the parent who lost that child to such an event. And when you think an empathetic ways, I think it also makes you treat people differently. You don't think of a way where this is, you know, law and order. You're breaking the law. My job is just to stop you for making a law. You also have to look at okay, what's this person going through? Why? Why is this happening? This person's obviously destraught. Why is this person destrot? There's a lot. There's more to this story than just this is a person doing something bad. If you I'm obviously there's situations where you can't think that way. Of, for example, of some criminals got a gun held at somebody, then you got to deal with that. But if you're coming across someone who who's obviously the straught, just just have an an empathy inside you makes you want to treat that that, at that instance a little differently than this. This person broke window, I must arrest them. That makes sense it, you know it does, and will still. We still need law enforcement because they were still sad of it. Going to be people who are going to jump into that crib. That's right, right. But when you when you talk about different factors involved, the things, so when you when you say that, so I think of the lyrics to the springsteen Song Johnny Ninety nine and so that does a line, it does stanza in it. Judge, I got I got debts. No, honest man, could pay the banks holding my mortgage. They're taking my house away. I ain't saying that makes me an innocent man, but it was more than all this that put that gun in my hand. Yeah, that's so. If you. If so, I think what what are reimagining public safety is trying to get at is looking at what is it that is putting guns and people's hands, that is the doing other things that are causing them to have encounters with law enforcement, and if we can do something to interrupt some of those other things, they may not have an incount with law enforcement at all if they're encounter in law with law enforcement. If their encounter could be handled another way from law enforcement, let's try that. But you know that. I got to go back to the story about the person in crisis team and I asked this question at news conference nine or ten days ago after the January twenty nine incident, when I asked the chief who who had the Daniel Lageman torus address it. Why is it in the pilot program that our PD cannot call the person in crisis team? Yeah, I'm with why can't you? So I get I get the fact that you've got a pilot program you are trying something new hasn't been done in this community before. You're taking a model from someplace eltse trying to superimpose it here. I understand that you need to to kind of dip your toe into this before you just dive right in it and make the splash, but I if your goal is to reduce, I want to say unnecessary and counters with law enforcement, we don't know if it's unnecessary or not until it plays out. Yes, but if you're trying to reduce some encounters with law enforcement, why are you starting a pilot by saying law enforcement, when they get to the call that starts out as a crime, stolen car or potential stolen car, turns into a child in distress, they can't, they can't call the pick team. Now, a couple days ago Rochester police sent out of there was a media inquiry about some incident that happened in the city. Rochester police sent out a news release on it. Apparently there was an incident at the Skate Park. MMM, law enforcement was called. Law Enforcement called the counties forensic intervention team. Progress Right, yes, but because maybe they wanted... call the pick team, but they got a memo that says you can't call the pick team. So they but but somebody there said probably probably doing probably acting defensively. MMM, I don't want another nine year old, even though this was an adult, at this situation. Right. I just saw what my colleagues went through. I want to do that. I don't know, I'm making this up, but this is my guests officers were there. Somebody said, anybody got an idea how? We cannot have this go sideways. Yeah, and somebody said call a fit team. Called the FIT team. They responded, they they took the incident. We don't not quite sure how it all transpired after that, but but according to the email that was sent to media, the FIT team responded, took over. That's what we want best collaboration this town. I said, I think I said this last week, this town drives me crazy. Yeah, let's collaborate, let's work together until you have to do it, and then and then you don't want to. Then you come up with some reason not to do it. That looks like a situation that worked. I would like to be on the debriefing of that. Why did why did that appear to work? Right? How do we take what worked and put it right and put it in the future. So so we know, do not want a different response. But don't let that different response happen. We want a different response all during the pilot. URPD CAn't call pick yeah, no, I'm sorry, it makes no sense to me whatsoever. You said it perfectly last week. I'm going to reiterate this because I remember when you said it. I was not in port profusely, if there's such a term. But but you said. I think what the problem is is that pick team doesn't want to be associated with the police because right now the police have a target on them. They are public going to be number one, and they are. They have a bad look right now. And the pickings pilot. You know what I would even want when we show up? I don't want anyone to think police. We want them to think pick only. So we want to be a completely separate entity. But Hey, listen, that's not how it works. That's not how it works, because you I've set this a million times that I will say it over again. You don't know what you don't know. You get a call, you have a basis on understanding what the call is, but you don't know what the situation actually is until you get there and when you get there you can reassess the situation and then you can decide how to other proceed. So, like you said, you're going to call about an arm of the vehicle being robbed. Right. So you go there as if a vehicle's being robbed. You get their situation. Chains now it's a child in distress. You now know this. Now you can call the appropriate people to handle that instead of a man. Right, and say and say it flipped. Say It was child in distress. All Right, the cause child in distress. Say This flips the the the pick team gets there but finds that there is an active domestic violence situation and somebody is displaying a weapon. Different situation all of a sudden. Right, okay, so you went thinking we just have a child in distrust, not just now. Call was child in distressed. That's what we're going to deal with. We don't know. There was no call of weapons. There was everything just seemed to be the child's into h an adult. Let's take it away from that stuation. An adult in distress, something that's that appears to be non violent. But you get there and maybe by the time it took it took the team to get there, another person showed up. That set that person off more. Now you've been an escalated situation that maybe there's weapons, maybe there's violence, maybe somebody punch somebody who knows the pick team. As it stands, the latest information that I have from the news conference of going on two and a half weeks ago now, is they have radios that they can call and get and get police, but police are not staged and ambulance is not staged, which means that they're not being dispatched together and police and amed once being told you know where one, two, where at one, two, three, whatever street? Why don't you go park at five, six, whatever street, and so you're nearby in case I have to hit the radio. Everything looks good, you know, go on your way and whatever, but at least somebody's there, ambulances, their law enforcements there for the first I don't know, twenty, thirty minutes, something could go wrong and minute forty. We don't know that, but at least there's there's an awareness in their close by. What do we want? Public Safety. You took it, you beat me to the punch. That's all it's going to say. Want the safety of everybody, but the safety of the public. Want the safety of the responders. But let's not think of it. Okay, let's let's change the wording. Let's not use police and law enforcement. Let's reframe this. I'm not and I'm not a big one for playing with the language as a writer, I'm...

...not a big one for from massaging that for other purposes. Right, but public safety. REIMAGINE public safety. There is a little box for law enforcement, there's a box for mental health, there's I'm saying a box because that puts people in. There is room. If we have a sandbox that's called public safety, there is room for lots of different entities to play in that SAMs, that's to share the toys in the sandbox. Of telling you that I was going right where you went with that. You're exactly correct. It's public safety. It's not the police, it's not the pit team, it's not the sheriff's office and that way whatever, it's public safety. Everybody has to work together to achieve public safety. We all have to be on the same page. If we're not, there's a problem. So you can't you can't want to be a standalone. Whatever you want, you're going to have to incorporate everybody. And I, and I, and that's even even to me. I'm thinking that it's the people who are who, activists and protesters, who want to defund or want to reallocate. I think they need to be in that sandbox watching everybody play together. Yeah, I do, because it will come a time when there's when there is when the public safety, the person who is responsible for public safety, needs a badge a gun. There's a time when the person responding to public safety needs a calm voice. Ye, now, in a perfect world, could be the same person. Yeah, it could. Definitely it could be the same person. Let's train, let's train the people who have badges and guns to have a calmer voice. That's what you alluded to earlier with this the Guardian Mindset. But let's not, let's not throw people out of the sandbox. Yeah, let's let's try to do sandbox one one here, bring some people into the sandbox and and let's share what's going on in that sandbox. Absolutely, I love you bringing me back to my kinder good kindergarten time, friend of mentality, letting everyone play in the sandbax together. I love it. All right, we're going to come back and we're going to talk about what's going on with chief ex police chief or on singletary. He testified and what he says is that the mayor may have known some things much, much earlier than she led on, and we'll discuss that when we come back from our break. This is inside the margins. Will be right back. Inside the margins is sponsored by salvators. For more information on foods offered and locations near you, visit Salvatorscom. All right, welcome back to inside the margins. I'm here with Patty and, as we do sometimes, patty and I got caught up with the point that we're trying to make, but we also forgot to let out the actual plans that the mit the put out for the public. So, patted, do you have the information? Hey, I do. So this is again this is part of what every community has to do. This plan is a draft. It is going to go to the public. Will have opportunity to comment on this. You can contact city hall if you if you want the mayor's team to come out to give a presentation to your community organization on this, you can contact city hall. That is on the city hall website. So what it is is basically it's divided into sections and the changes will come in accountability, community engagement, data technology, transparency, fostering a community oriented culture, officer wellness. This is in. This isn't for there's lots of programs that are coming out where they would they want to pay attention to the officers as well. This is not anti police. They understand that this is a difficult job and how can how can they be supported? The police policy, strategic strategies use me and practices. resizing the department. They want to reduce the department in size over the next five to ten years. Changing the response to mental health calls. We've already discussed this. And recruitment to we gained more more minority representation on our prey. We've which would be interesting when they need to downsize URPD and then they want to do the recruit more minorities. I'm not there's not a lot of detail here on how that is if that's contradictory, so that that may get worked out in the details. And training issues. Again, these recommendations came from a working group that had united Christian Leadership Ministry the Police Accountability Board on it. There was the race commission was part of this and the full document will include everything that organizations submitted that went into making this document. Deadline for all many is April first farm recalling correctly, I think it's march fourth. It's going to go to council will vote on this. Okay, okay, thanks for that, Patty.

I just wondering sure we got that information out there. Yeah, and I'm definitely curious to see how trying to recruit more but downsize is going to, you know, trying to go hand in hand. And I know if you, if our listeners, go back a few episodes, I'm actually I take a few months you and I did. I show we talked about trying to recruit more people for the police who kind of represent what the inner city is. So I think I do think that's a great idea, but will again what these what resizing and everything? We'll see all that works out and a lot of in some of these measures are going to take the state to change some some laws. So there are some things that can be done locally, but there are some things that we're going to take the state to step in. Is the state going to do that? Is Rochester the only ones asking for that that we don't know yet. Right, Nope, good point. All right, let's let's move on to other news in regards to the mayor APPs. Actually, so everyone is aware of what happened with former police chief Luran singletary, who was fired by the mayor after the incident with Daniel prude. The mayor said that LURAN chief singletary, farmer chief singletary, did not present the information or the video and a time of matter to word to understand what was going on and that's kind of why he was dismissed. Chief singletary, however, says that's not the case and in fact, during his testimony he said that the same day it happened, he actually spoke with the mayor twice. It was it was it was brief, but it was. It was twice, and she did not it seemed as if he was saying that she did not want to see the footage at that time. Is that what you're interesting as well. He said a couple times that that she did the mayor. The mayor could be adamant about things. You know, when she wanted to see things, she she would ask to see them and and could be very direct. So we about what eight nine hours of testimony from from the former chief. So this was a very long day. Lots of things, lots of things said. Some went circled back on each other. What I came away from, and this is just me hearing him, from hearing him, was thinking that, based on some of the things he said, that that, you know, she was direct, she could be direct, she could, you know, want what she wanted and and we're very much at you know, she's very in charge person. So is my sense in listening of wouldn't she asked to see the video, depending on what he had told her about? Is Quite an encounter of you know, we had an in custody death and there had been hands on and and going on about that. I'm not a mayor, I don't know what it's like to run a city correct right, but I would I would think that if something that if I I'm under the impression that the mayor, even before this, was involved in the police department. Right, she hires the chief. This is, you know, she's the ultimate first because she hires the chief. That's where that's where responsibility, you know, starts and ends. That you should been involved in the police department. I would think that if your chief comes to you, you want as much detail as you want. Right by as much detail as you want. So, you know, the former chief talked about a conversation they had at an elevator after a meeting or a news conversation. I can't recall. Yeah, I remember actually which, but no one is there but the two of them. It reminds me in a sense, Matt, of a marriage. Right, nobody knows what goes on inside of marriage. Yep, except for the two people involved, and even and even the two people in the marriage don't always know. NOPE, because they have their own perception of what's you're absolutely exactly. I thought I told you this, but you you heard that. So so I think even in the best marriages you can you can have these misunderstand these miscommunications, or or you think one thing the partner thing to the other and for some reason it's that is not communicated. The mayor said when she did see the video, she used the term murder. The chief had a different view of it. He did not. He did not say that. City Hall released a statement after the testimony which said, and I am quoting today's testimony, it would have been enough off today's testimony proved that Mr singletary never shared the video depicting what truly happened... Mr Prude with Mayor Warren prior to August four. He stated in his opinion that quote, nothing agreed just happened. Disagreed that RPD officers were directly responsible for Mr Prude's death and even went so far as to say everything was done by the book. He's the statement goes on to say he downplayed what occurred from the beginning through today, and he's that neither he nor anyone in the RPD did anything wrong. So the mayor statement continues. Mayor Warren bullies. We need to move forward with honoring Daniel prude and all the past victims of police violence by doing the necessary work to reform policing. Again, using her term policing mine, I want to take a broader view of this of public safety, which includes, under the umbrella of public safety, we have police, we have mental health, we have schools, MMM, we have healthcare, sols mean you know, if you're talking public safety, we have housing. Yep, we have food security. Public safety isn't just policing. That's the old, narrow view of it. Yep, there's a lot more public safety is everything. So what happened in those conversations were never only the two of them know and and it it appears that the two of them have different recollections for different interpretations of what happened. You know what, it's interesting. So at one point single arry is asked by Andrew Chelly, who's running the deposition. There was, there's been talking the community of you running from mayor and singletary responding that he had told the mayor I would never run against you. You know, if it's some point she might leave, I might consider it. People have said it, people who said to me, but I you know, I've said to her I would never run from are. By the by the end of the what eight and a half, nine hours, I heard I heard animosity, which can made me sad. Yeah, I don't know what other people heard that that made me sad, but it made me think of it. You know, seven hours ago that was brought up in the questioning and you wonder and you wonder now. You know they had a good relationship at one point they had a good, quote unquote, marriage. Yes, you know, in a sense something happened and maybe it was even before Daniel prude. That's I don't know. We don't know what was involved in their daytoday actions that somehow this dis spilled over. Yeah, it is unfortunate on new unfortunate as an understatement, on numerous levels. Absolutely, I think you're you again. Every analogy I want to throw you get to it before I do, because I thought marriage myself and you're absolutely right. It seemed that like their relationship was was was very, very good. They work together fluidly pretty much during during their time before this this incident, and it's even seemed like after it happened they still work. Were collesive union, right, they came out together to both publicly still have a statement against what happened with Daniel prude at first, and then all of a sudden things began to take a turn, it kind of break down and then he got suspended and then he was let go, you know. So you're right. Something happened. We don't know what happened and it does seem like there's a little bit of bitterness. Is that as a I would I it's a probably a fair characterization. I remember on the September third news conference and I don't believe singletary was there and I asked the mayor, I said, are you going to fire the chief, and she said no, I'm going to work with the chief. MMM. So then you know, he and he explained in the deposition why he put in his retirement, why the command staff put in a tire and you know, I want to urge people to hear it for themselves. It's that is later in the in the if you want to hear about that. I think that is probably the last bit two and a half hours of the deposition where he talks about they go into they start going almost line by line into his notice of claim. He is suing the city by firing, by being fired, not being allowed to retire, he lost his lifetime health benefits. He was asked what the monetary value of that is. He declined to put a monetary value on that. But it's the last about two two and a half hours that talk about his notice a claim and really where things you get the sense of that this is now, it's now, it's our yeah, and and how and why? And you know he all right ahead how and why that he put his retirement? What? What the command staff? The command staff's reaction to that was so singletary's was the only deposition made in public and so as it wore on and some of the...

...questions. So the point of the the whole sit exercise here, that's not the best word, was something when that comes to me now, is city council investigation is to find out who knew what when as far as the city communicate people in the city and communications and things like that, and what was communicated. As the deposition war on, I started thinking was Andrew Cheli who was asking the questions? Was He taking information from previous depositions and getting single tembriage reaction to it? There wasn't any opportunity afterwards for media to to talk to anybody. It was you know, there was no press conference after this, but that would have been my question. Was You know, it sounded like some of the questions you were asking was based on information you receive from previous depositions. Was that the case? HMM, that's a good point. You know, again, we don't know. We weren't there. I don't know how much is going to be made public, if all the testimony at some point is going to be released in a document. So we'll know what everybody said. Right, right, I'll be honest with you, that's going to be a heck of a document to go through, because that's how many people. I mean that was that was what eight hours at least. I think it was a little over. Maybe I know what it was. It was. It was like that. Yeah, I agree with you. To me, unfortunately, and I hate to categorize things this way, but you're probably go to agree with me, it's it's like it's a he said, she said, isn't it? It's pretty much what it is. It's this is what I'm saying. This is what you're saying. We're the only two that really know what what went in between what we said. So who are you're going to believe? And that right, I mean that's part of it. It's seen at the elevator. That's part of it. So, Daniel Prud is what three months before George Floyd, they there were some emails shown from from people, not necessary in the command staff, but you know, higher up in URPD. Once Floyd was what that situation was was public about, you know, releasing this. What's going to what's going to happen? Are we going to be you know, it may not look good. It's a different situation, but it may not look good and there may be some violent blowback. You know, things like that from some emails. Matt. The thing that that that I learned from the testimony that I watched was that media or the public every day needs to contact RPD and say, did you have an in custody incident today, because it didn't occur to anybody to talk about this. Yeah, that's like. You're very needed in that right. So every day do we have to send something to the public information officer and say, did you have an in custody incident today? That's a that's a that's a great point. It is shouldn't be like that, though. It shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't do it that in the other thing is that, and I said this to somebody the other day, you can't, you can't play what if because it's useless. But we'll do it anyway, because that's a that's do on radio. Yep, had this come out sometime in April. All right, you know, let the figure things out. What happened. You may not have to release it on March thirty or march thirty first, but say end of April, beginning of May, you come out with a news conference and say we need to announce we had an incustody death. This is what happened, here's the body camera footage. I and you, and you you are, are up front at that point with the public. And there's still going to be a why'd you wait a month? Why'd you wait a month and a half? You'll still get that. But this is the ridiculous. What if would George Floyd have happened had police across the country seeing what happened here? Wow, that's a very, very deep question and a good question, and think I you know, I took it back to something that you wouldn't this first happened and we first start talking about this story months months back. One of the things you said, which resonated with me, and I still believe it to be true, is not only is it the death of Daniel prude that that upset the city so much, it was the actual fact that it took so long to release it, like we like, the like the department and, quote unquote, at that time, people were thinking of the mayor, we're trying to hide this from the public, right. So it was kind of a retaliation on two fronts. One, how could you let this happen? and to why would you lie to us? Why would you not be up front to us at this happened? Why? How did you saw? People pretty much took and took this... a consideration that they're thinking you saw, Dan, you proved you got scared, so you swept US front of the rug and we're not going to tolerate that. That was kind of like the twofold I guess, of people being upset about the situation. Well, let's let's take the marriage analogy a little bit further. Right. So the people of this city and the leadership of this city have a marriage. MMM, we are married to our leaders and our leaders are married to us. You, we have to have trust, M and what happens when that? There's something in a man or any relationship, doesn't have to be a marriage, a friend relationship, trust, dating, any anything that's a relationship, right, boss, employee, whatever, and the one of the people, the other person in the relationship, finds out that the first person lied to them. That's the begin what happens to death? That's the begetting of the end of the reship. Sometimes trusted the foundation of relationship. If you don't have trust, you don't use the relationship and that's that's and that's what we're seeing now in this community. The relationships are eroding because where, I think we are wondering who can we trust? Yep, hocket, can I trust you to have my activists are saying, I can't trust the Rochester Police Department to have the best interests of black people at heart. I think the community in general is wondering, can we trust our leaders to be upfront with us? Yeah, yeah, this is what we're seeing at a national level. Joe Biden saying you can trust me, I will be upfront with you. Yep, beast the starting off it. I guess we're going to see all that. Will See all that work. So I mean where I'm taking a weep here, but I don't know right. Yeah, we heard that here? If we heard our leaders here say we are sorry that we lost your trust and we will try to rebuild your trust like marriage counseling. Have we heard that? I I don't know. I don't think you know what. And then we'll move on to our mental health things we're running at a time, but I don't think we really have what we have so so far. This is what I think, and you correct me if I'm wrong. This is kind of the message that I'm getting. I'm getting, is the message I'm getting, is the people that are these are the people that failed you. We're going to punish these people and then we're going to rebuild it. I never heard of listen, we want to apologize. We let you down. You you put your crust to us. We let you down. We're going to figure this out and we're going to be better that. That goes a long way. I don't think anyone said that. I think it was more of these, these people are the people that are messing up. We got to stop them from messing up and here's how we're going to fix it. That's what we got told. We never got told, wow, we let you down. This is you. You you trust us and we didn't come through the way was we're supposed to and we're sorry. We're going to fix that. I think. I mean they've apologized to the prude family, but I guess I think you're right. I mean, I haven't I haven't heard that. To the to the citizens of Rochester, thank you that people you trust. We let you down on numerous fronts on this and we will try to do better. You're right. Now it's just going to we're going to reform it. I I haven't really heard an apology to me as a citizen of Rochet. Think that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't, and maybe somebody will call in and say, Yo, no, this is you. You missed that news conference. Are you were going to miss that memo? You miss that email? That's how that's how I that was the way I took it, and you're right, I could have missed it, but that's how that's how I take it. That's how I feel about that. I guess all right, real quick because, as usual, we're running short aside again, because we always got so much. You spoke with during a press conference. You spoke to Dr Michael Mendoza and regards to mental health and you were able to ask him a couple questions regards to mental health and also physical health. While we get into that real quick. I have been on mental health and COVID. I personally think covid is as serious a physical illness this is. It is doubly a mental health crisis as much as its physical health. Crisis and I've have asked Doc Mendoza repeated way in the last year about mental health, and I went back to that last week, about what did you what have you learned in a year about the mental health ramifications of Cobe and what would you do differently? All right, all right, and this is what doctorment Dosa said, but the reality is that we will look back on this pandemic and conclude that it is an adverse childhood experience in many ways like all of the other aces that we talked about here in the health department. And it's not just an experience that's impacting our our children. This is an advert adverse community experience. It is a trauma unto itself and we will take a long time to have to unpack all the trauma that will have resulted from the covid nineteen pandemic. Thankfully, here in the Health Department we've got a long standing infrastructure for paying...

...attention to adverse childhood experiences and promoting trauma informed care in our community. We have surveillance systems were following the overdose. The opioid overdose crisis is still very much on the forefront, even though it doesn't make headlines as much as it used to. We pay a lot of attention to the OPIOID crisis. We be a lot of attention to addiction and mental health concerns and respectors for suicide and a whole host of other mental health concerns. So I think we will look back on this and I will wish that we had done more to promote mental health throughout all of this. I think the common conversation and social media and social medias is about covid nineteen and the infection itself. But you know the impacts of mental illness and how this is impacting our ability to connect. I think that needs more attention and I wish we could have more time to talk about that because I think ultimately that's how we're going to heal. You know, we are going to look back on this and try to rediscover ways that connect as a community and new and better ways. So I think if I were to do this again, I wish that we could have found a better way to connect through all the devisiveness and conflict we had a two thousand and twenty. All right, that was his answer on that, Patty. So I want on this and today's show, patty you brought to my attention the story of this couple who both unfortunately got infected with the covid virus and unfortunately also that they ended up passing away because of the due to the illness. But it's kind of unique in the way and the way in full that once you go ahead and break that down for us. So I read the obituaries every day in the Democrat Chronicle. Is just I wrote my share of them. And and so I'm reading them on Sunday and I'm seeing this man and Dr James D scully, and I'm reading about him and Nice picture of him, you know, he and his wife together and a picture. And I'm reading about, you know, his who survived him. He was devoted husband of sixty four years to marry be Meani scully and following retirement, they moved to Charleston, return to roches the twilight of their lives. And then I go to the next page and I see this, the same name as same picture. I said, wait a minute, didn't I just look at this one? What is almost, you know, like I had double vision, hmm on it and I see Mary, be Mimi scully passed away on February third due to covid nineteen, four days after her husband. While he did so, his obit on the facing page is survived by wife of sixty four years. Her Obituary is predeceased by her loving husband of sixty four years. Wow, wow, and it just is. You know, their children, I met my parents, died six years apart. Hard enough to both having them with covid within four days of each other. They must have, they must have met it. I'm you know, in reading this they must have met at Temple University because she received her teaching degree there. He was at temple. So they must have met their sixty four years ago. What what a story. And this is this is some of the mental health ramifications of covid. I mean some of the things is we don't want her a mask and where we're lonely, were isolated. I mean it is as as Dr Mindosa said, it's going to take a long, long time to unpack a lot of this. And the these two death notices on facing pages using the same photo. His says survived by his wife, her says predeceased by her husband, and they're on facing pages of it. And it just yes, it said it's very very sad. Yeah, it's it's it's kind of, that said, touching story, because not only is it sad, because you you can, I guess this is the best way I can say, is you can almost feel it, because it's almost like these people had such a strong bond with one another that the thought of lot moving on without with the loss of one of them may have impacted the quick demise of the other person. But who knows? Right? Well, you know what? I'm not sing, no, but I'm just saying, but I'm just saying, your heart, that's kind of what you feel right you like it's almost at that that the importance of being with a person that you care about like that, especially if you found, let's say your quote unquote person, your person, the person that you you could you, you just know that that's your person and that you've been through everything together, life, births, whatever,... know, everything together. And then this terrible virus puts an end, untimely end, regardless of age, to your partner and you weren't it was unexpected, you didn't see this coming, and you have the same virus and maybe that person again. I'm this is all speculation, Patty, as you know, but maybe that person was the person that was helping you get through this and then that person you lose, and then what are you fighting for it at that point, you know, and I think that we don't know if that's the case, the virus could have just progressed in a way where there's nothing that could be done anyways. But when it just puts that in your mind. You know, Matt The you know, these are the stories of Covid we've gone from, you know, testing, has it been available tow lines for testing, to when are we going to get vaccines? And these are just as much of the stories of Covid as any of those are, and and they illustrate all that we've been through in the past year. And will we have another year of this? We just don't know. Yeah, it's one of those stories. That's that's good. That resonates, I think especially it was again, it touched me when you send to me and I'm glad you brought it up. I think that's how we're going to end this. I just want to use that as a way to segue into this. Be Safe, wear masks, continue to do the things that you were doing in the beginning of this because we're still not through this and you know there are vaccinations. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but we have not gotten to with that gotten through this tunnel yet. We're still in the tunnel, so we got to make sure we find our way out of it. One thing I forgot to do before we go, and I will do it real quick, like to thank our sponsors, salvators. You know, I'm sure a lot of people had some salvators during the big game this past Sunday and you know, I'm so happy to the sponsor US and again I still owe you. will do a whole pie, Patty, Whoa, we will indulge. We will indulge, we are allowed to. will sit down and we will have an entire pie. What do you say? Well, they come in small, medium, in large, right, so we can be we can be responsible this. Indulge responsibly. We could indulge responsible, patty. It's always a pleasure. Thank you so much as usual. Thank you, Matt. You have yourself a good week. You too. We'll see you next week. Thank you, listener. Will see you next week. This is inside the morning. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins. We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Inside the margins is sponsored by salvators. I just took a DNA test. Turns out I'm a hundred percent Rochester. That's right, I got seven Hundredzero matches. We are all COUGIE's. I can't wait to shook your hand. Oh wait, I can't, but I can feed you. Salvators, famous full man, you touchless delivery of those the COM.

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