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Episode 28 · 2 years ago

Opening Schools and Covid Continued

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Patti Singer and I continue our discussion on reopening schools durring the pandemic.

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and we still are making preparations to go back to school, not just the regular schools but the colleges as well, and people are trying to prepare themselves to probably do a highbread version of going to school or perhaps even staying home the entire time. We're going to touch more on that. I know we've talked about that the last couple weeks, but this is a big topic because pretty much it's affecting the majority of people who have children, obviously, so it's something important. And also we're going to talk about the general perception of how things are in in the city as far as a people still taking covid seriously and we'll talk about that. Before we get into that, let me go Adam, introduce somebody that always takes her jobs seriously. It's the minority reporters, Patti Singer. Hello Patty. Like to take the job seriously. I'm working on not taking re so so there you go. Well said. Thank you for we'll get right to it because we have a lot we want to yes, so Rochester City School district is explaining the reopening plans. But segue again, Matt. The other has mandated that districts have. For the Rochester City School district it's a big five. Five sessions with parents, one with teachers. Parents. Sessions began on Saturday. There are sessions Tuesday ten to eleven thirty am, Wednesday, five to thirty, Thursday, six to seven thirty, Friday, three to thirty, and those are on the RC SD K to twelve dot org, facebook and youtube pages. County executive bellow wants to take census related redistricting out of the hands of politicians. In the past, this redistricting has been done by county legislators and political party leaders. County Executive Adam bellow is calling for a more neutral process. On August seven, fellow proposed amending the Monroe County Charter to establish an independent redistricting commission. That would have members appointed by the legislature and members selected from the community. Warren and bellow announced members of the race commission. The twenty one members have been named. Thirteen were chosen by a selection committee and eight were appointed by Belle and Warren. Those represent legislators and law enforcement officials. By a Bob Cultural Center prepares for a post pandemic world. While the physical space that housed bay about Cultural Center closed July thirty, the question becomes how to continue to bring people together. Cofounder Cheryl Dr Sarrol Kojoe said, we are exploring how we can carry out our mission given current restraints and given the overall shift that was happening anyway. It could be that we deliver pieces online, we could be that we go to different methods. Frederick Douglas Greater Rochester International Airport name change is official and Monroe County legislature unanimously approved a bill at its August eleven meeting change the name, pending final approval from other agencies. That bipartisan legislation was sponsored by Democratic Minority Leader Vincent felder and Republican Carlo Boyce.

The change had been discussed for years, but gay momentum after a Changeorg petition was started after local and national unrest sparked by the killing of George Boyd. In National News, Joe Biden Picks Kamala Harris as running mate. His selection makes the California senator, who was the daughter of immigrants from India in Jamaica, the first black person and first Indian person to appear on a major party presidential ticket. Should also be the first female vice president. Harris was close to bidens weights on Bow Biden spoke of the respect that both had for her. In opinion, how we ego writes that the new Commission on Racial instructural equity is already Ford. He takes apart the process and explains his reasoning that. Thank you so much, Patty, as always. And as always, if you want to get the full versions of the stories that Patty just discussed, you can go to the minority reporter Dotnet and you can get the indepth versions of all the headlines that you just heard. Also, I would implore you to go ahead to subscribe to the minority reporter, because we do want to support local media and local journalism, so there will be an option for you to subscribe on the website. You can get the hard copy or you can do the digital print version if you want. Either way it's a good choice and always as well. If you have any questions, suggestions or tips for the minority reporter, go ahead instend an email to editor at minority reportercom. I'm sorry, by dotnet. I apologize on that one. And if you want to hear this or any of the previous episodes of inside their margins, you can go to our website, which is inside the marriage has radiocom and we also have links to their main iority reporter on our website as well. All right, we're going to go ahead and take a quick break and when we come back we will discuss schools and just the general feeling of people about covid nineteen. This is inside the margins. Will be right back. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Welcome back to inside the margins. Okay, I'm here with Patti and just real quick some of the headlines You talked about. I guess it's Great News Frederick Douglas got his name on our airport here in Rochester. That's pretty cool, and Kamala Harris being named as VP for Joe Biden. That's pretty big as well. But we're going to keep things local and want to talk about the schools. Obviously a lot of people are concerned about what's happening and setting their kids to schools. It's from what I talk about with people it's almost like fifty fifty, like half the people want to send their kids back to school and the majority of those people that want to send them back because it's hard for them to work when the kids are at school and other people, obviously they're the health concerns out where thing else and they don't want them to go back to the schools. And also there's some more information about the plans to reopen. So let's go ahead and discuss that at Patty so on. It was last Thursday the Ranchester city school district did wasn't really an about phase. Well, you know, kind of sort of hope you want to look at. Initially, in the plan that they had submitted to the state they had hybrid learning for pre Kada for and students when specialized programs. Five from twelve was going to be online only, and so on the thirteen and then on the fourteen the decision was...

...explained to why they switched to remote learning for everybody. That is something that the Rochester Teachers Association had wanted. They were members where we wanted to go back into the buildings. So at her news conference on last Friday, Leslie Myers small talked about some of the rationale for the change and I got the sense that opening the buildings was going to be burdensome. I had heard the phrase okay, testing and contact tracing. I had heard the phrase oh great, another unfunded mandate. This was not from her, I'd heard it in other she did not say that, but that was the sentiment. Great, another unfunded mandate. How are you going to test? How you're going to do contact racing? Now, if one thing, if you can keep, maybe for the youngest pupils, there in one room all day. They go to lunch together, they go to recess together, the bathroom together, I do everything together. It's going to be easier and a contact racing situation when you're in one room and they do everything together, you know who they were with or six or sefil hours. Once you start changing classrooms and things like that, you know, how do you do that? And if students were older and they needed to change classroom and some of the specialized programs, that becomes abigistical nightmare. I got the sense that there would just sticks. Are Just too much at this point for the school to want to he to want to deal with. They haven't gotten enough guidance. Who Be responsible for the test? Who's going to do the test? Our teachers going to turn into into the janitorial staff? You know, right now focus on focus on the the education. There there were so many issues, but I think overall, I think there's still too much unknown about the virus and I think the health and safety was the was the primary reason. Well, and that, yes, you bring up a good point. With the younger students, a lot of them have the same teacher throughout the day, right. So it's maybe one or two teachers, you know, like maybe a gym teacher or something like that, but for the most part you have the same teacher throughout the day. When you start getting into the middle schools or the junior highs or the high school level, that's when you start having a different teacher for each class and that would be certainly very difficult to keep tabs on what everyone's doing and where everyone's going and who they've come in contact as far as going to those different classes. So that's a very good point. But you may know from from where you are in the district that your if that district, is doing that for the older learners, where they are changing rooms, excuse me, and doing and doing that, and I, you know, you sign in every place. I mean where was I the other day? Some I this municipal building, all their Monroe County office building, the signing. What's your phone number? My phone number for yeah, okay, somebody showed up here, you know, and they tested and they show we need to contact everybody who is in the building. Okay, fine, you know, that will get us to our later to our later topic. But it's you know, the superintendent was talking about. What's the first mission is education, not not having teachers be, you know, traffic. Yeah, right, traffic will run interference. So our or be cleaning all the time. Now what one thing, though, that I would like to approach it and see what people think about this. Teachers will also be teaching from home. MMM, my my argument. People take that the wrong way, but my what I'd like to put out there is have the teachers and staff go to the buildings in which their assigne have them teach remotely, for in their classrooms. First...

...of all, it gives a nice little backdrop of quaint board smart whatever exactly smart boards now, back in our day was chalkboards. Yeah, it's in a classroom environment. They're not seeing, you know, either a fake background or somebody's paintings on the walls or whatever. The other reason, which I think probably more important, is if you put so you have a hundred people in a building, those people are going to move around. HMM, they're going to go to the restroom, they going to go to belongs, they're going to go heat up lunch in the microwave, they're going to move around. Maybe then you can start to collect some data on what's happening as far as the transmission. What's your infection rate in that building? Because if you've got, say, a hundred people in a building and you have relatively few people getting sick, or nobody getting sick or everybody getting sick, that to me gives you some data points to work off of when you can think about reopening now? That question. I would have wanted to ask that question today is isues me. The other day at the news conference, that didn't that didn't come up. I didn't get an opportunity to do that. But I mean our okay, are people who are listening to this nodding going yeah, that makes sense, because then you've got real people in a real building that has to be cleaned and you know what your transmission is. Or people shaking their heads are going to boy, you would not go ahead. No Way, it's got it. But but I'd hate to see it then be all or nothing. So then what's going to happen in ten weeks? Say are infection ready? Is still low? In ten weeks, they over over the ten week time. There we visit this, they go okay, where we open? And then who you got? What? Two Thousand People at East High School, something like that. Yeah, how do you control that? Why don't you put a hundred fifty into east high school, responsible adults, and and use that is as your laboratory? Yeah, no, pros cons. What am I missing here? Yeah, I want to get your opinions too. So, as far as the teachers and I agree with you. I think it's a it's a better look to have them in a formal room. Also, you know if that have a pet, they got a dog barking in there or whatever, all that can be distracting, distracting when you're trying to teach a class. So I totally agree with you on that. Now I know that the majority of schools are suspending their athletic programs. Both of them aren't doing sports. Are they still doing, like I could, Gym Class? Is that still happening or is that done too well? Somebody asked the other day news conference. How do you teach our cult? Yeah, HB. How do you teach things that don't respond to powerpoint? You know, the point when you have to get creative? I think those we don't. We don't know that yet. I tell you, if you to me, if you are not in school, you have no sports, right and once you go into school, if you're not going to bring back the debate team in the math team, you're not going to have sports. Right. And I was a high school athlete. I spent the first half of my career writing sports. But no, no, it this is we are not running sports. Are Not running this world. It is equally important for some students to have banned and chess club absolutely the students to have football and volleyball. So if you're not doing your if you're not doing one, you're not doing any of them. Right. NOPE, I agree with that. I would just curious. So are they going to have the classes held primarily during the warm months and then during the cold months sent everyone home? And if they are doing classes in the warm months, will there be a chance for the kids to get outside and and, you know, just kind of...

...get out of the building? I'll be honest with the man. I have not looked at plans elsewhere in Monroe County. It just been to Y. Yeah, there's a lot. We have like twenty some of my districts, each with their own plan and they can do you know, the governor said you can have in person instruction, whatever you want that to look like. That will work for your district. It may not work for the district next door to you. He he he, he said. I'm not going to have it to somebody asked him about in person learning. I mean outdoor learning. All right, have an opinion. I don't want to say and then thirty seconds later says, I have an opinion on everything. So so. So he offered one and he said, you know, outdoors is where you want to be. So if you've got good weather now and you want to teach outdoors, great. I don't know. I mean this is not socrates, where everybody just kind of sat around and they didn't have books and or they've had a tablet. It was literally a tablet and they would write out of the thing. I don't know how you do that with the modern day education, all the all the materials that go along with that. I don't know. Yeah, and you're interesting, though. We are sorry interrupting now. You're fine, is it? Brockport College at Brockport is going to is going to be supporting our CSD with student teachers in terms of things like that. One of the things that was said was these, these student teachers are adapted online learning. I think that's huge. Yeah, that is. That's very big. I know out here. Now I want to get back into testing briefly and then we'll get into our other topic in a minute, but I know we're talking about how teachers are supposed to be set up or how the schools are supposed to be set up for testing. Now I know out here and the district of I'm in and Genesee County, Um, they're saying that they're not going to be responsible for testing in the schools. They said that what they're going to do as they're going to have a plan to tell people where they can go to get tested or tell them to leave to schools and then get to test it, but they're not going to have a testing station set up at the school because they said, quote unquote, we're not doctors and that's not what we're here for. So I I'm gathering that that's not the approach of the city school district for Rochester, but they probably didn't want to have people be testers. I think you know she did measure. The Superintendent did mention something briefly about department of Health. I don't know if there was a conversation that she held with the with the department saying, Oh, who's going to do our testing? Again, I don't know what other districts are doing about that. But and again, a test is a moment in time. I had one because I'm traveling and if they changed the rules of the state, I was going to and somehow New York got on the bad west. I want to show that I had had a negative test and it was interesting because I initially called the state to go over to MCC. The test is a Wednesday return time something like a five. Can Be five days before you get the result back. So I called my my primary care physician. They're doing it through urgent care and I hope I didn't shoot myself in the foot. Test came back within nine hours and it would be more than seventy two hours. But when I check into the hotel in the state I'm going to if they change the rule. I hope they don't turn me around. And you don't and Sevy bad and we disappointed because I went early right I didn't know when to go because I wanted to have the result. You know, it stuck, do I? Who knew it was going to be back in eleven hours? I think it twenty four to thirty six hours in a sense, but I Guess University of Rochester Medical Center labs have all...

...the stuff they need to do to cook the thing or whatever it is right they do with it. But you know, schools are in the business of educating, they're not in the business of swabbing up your nose. Yeah, no, I think that's a legitimate I will jill, be legitimate concern trying to have teachers be set up as testers. That's not really what they're designed for. So I totally get that. The last thing I want to ask about the schools before we get into our next topic is did you get a feel that? And again this this is now more of an opinion question than what you what you gathered from the conferences and if there were parents around, does it feel like more people are willing to put their kids back in schools then keep them home, or do you you feel like I'm getting the feeling it's of all the fifty thing? What's your thoughts on that? That's what the Superintendent said. She had people saying telling her, I want what what's the school day? Seven eight hours, five days a week. She had the other end saying, I'm not you know, wild horses are not going to get my kid back into that room. And then a lot of people in the middle of she also said, you know, parents, and obviously were was tired, but but parents have sort of reached the end of their abilities to be teachers. Interesting the net and whatever district anywhere in the country teachers want to go on strike. You could be interesting to see what bad parents are welcome about, as it has a teacher. But parents have been stretched and parents have been parents, they have been employees, they lawyers, they have been teachers. They have done a lot in the last what are we talking march to now? That's what five, five, six months, six months. Yeah, they have done a lot. And schools serves, you know in the city, the the the REC centers are going to be helping out quite offering places for kids to go, safe play places. Neil's some help with with school work. You know, they were daycare issue. WHO's school is a lot of things besides place you go to learn. Yeah, it's not just a place to learn, it's a safe place for your children and also, look, you said, it's a way to have the kids supervised while parents go earn a living. So it's a lot of different things and you're right. Having a parent such as I am a parent as well, it is tough to try to do a job and watch a children and make sure they're educated at the same time. And with my job I still have to leave my house. I don't work from home, so I'm actually gone and I have to make sure that my kids are watched when I'm gone working. So I understand how tough that that is. And speaking of which, you and I both leave a lot for our job. You are on location where you have to be for any type of meeting or press conference or like that, so you're out and about a lot, and I also I still have to work outside of the home, so I'm out and about as well. And I know things look a lot different now than they did when covid first hit and we were under extreme measures to protect themselves from from covid. It seems like people have either gravitated towards this is really serious. You got to wear your mask and and you know, be safe, or I'm sick and tired of this whole covid thing. I'm not going to wear...

...my mask anymore. I'm going to go where I want, I want to do what I want, and I think we, you and I were just talking off are we both notice that there's more traffic now. It just when you're going to places. What's your perception of people out there? Are there? There's a team that people are getting kind of tired of being told to stay home as much as possible, to wear a mask where viag and to take those kind of precautions to keep yourself and your family and everybody else safe from covid you know, it's interesting. I went into a little little delly the other day and I walked in. I going put my mask on because I was in my cart. I started at the door, put the mask. Anyone up? I went up to the counter. I mean it's it's I think at some point it will be like putting on a seat belt. Oh and by the way, now, I think, starting in November. Yeah, there's and vehicles, no matter where you're sitting, have to have a seat bet. That's Yep, I think it will be like a seat belt, where you will just be we just do it. Sometimes you forget to put the seat belt on. I don't know who's what. The people will be with the mass. It'll be people glaring at you. I walk, when I walk by myself and often when I walk with one or two other people, I do not wear a mask and people will walk by me or give you know, very wide birth whatever and some people looked at me like like there were a mask and they're walking I'm not. They may have the health issue, I don't. We're not stopping to talk on outside by myself, taking a walk and not wearing mask and not I go occasionally I'll go for high or a vigorous walk with other people. Don't wear a mask put then again, we're also not on top of each other. You know, you're in the woods, you're walking, or sidewalks, somebody's in front of me, behind it, you know, in side to side kind of thing. I don't. I don't. You know, I don't do it. So am I a horrible human being? I don't think so. I will. As you know, I live out here in genesee county and it's it's a lot less congested with people where I live. So I'm very similar to you. If I'm going like inside a store or inside somewhere, I will put my mask on, but if I'm outside walking, which, by the way, I'm down eight pounds now the Patti. Just want to let you know that. But if I want to sleep, but if I'm outside walking or just trying to do like a exercise or riding my bike or something like that, I'm not wearing a mask. I'm by myself. There's not anybody around me, so I don't feel I don't feel it's necessary for me to put it on. But yeah, if I'm going indoors, I'm going into a store to buy something or something like that, I will have my mask on. But I've seen people in the stores to not wearing their mask. Or here's the question, because I know you and I both are kind of in the same playing on this stuff. I still haven't really been out to eat yet. I still have not gone, which I feel bad because I have a lot of friends in the restaurant business, in the bar business, and I feel bad. I want to support them, which I've ordered out and took a take it home, but I still have not gone into a restaurant and sat down to eat. I don't think it's a fear. I just hadn't. What about you? I'm not a big go out to eat person anyway, it is right, right do that. I went once for lunch and we ate outdoors to his outdoor seating, so that was we probably would have eaten outdoors anyway. It's nice and it wasn't work. You know, sometimes it's played on Park Avenue. You're in the middle of traffic, eating outside. That's not me. I've had take out three or four times. Like I said, I'm not a baby doubt person anyway. So...

I'm probably the wrong person, you know, to to ask did you feel uncomfortable when you did? I know you said you only went once, but did you feel weird or anything, or as something? Fine, I mean, I think to there's a I know how you want to, how much you you can parse. This is it. You have people who work in your friends who work in the restaurant? Yeah, absolutely, they need people to come. However, if someone is uncomfortable, Oh, here's an example that. So the other day I go to a Chinese restaurant, pick something up, go over some French House and bring it. So I've been there, I don't know, like a month or so prior. They weren't doing indoor. Certainly we're doing a cable service because the waiter didn't want to come back. Huh? So, and I said so you can't. You don't want to get another waiter. So they must love this waiter, which is good for them, but the waiter is uncomfortable, so they are not having cable service. Wow, wow, that's that's correct. Well, I mean Kudos about waiter for having that kind of cloud. But that's no, that's still crazy. Yeah, I guess said. I know a lot of my friends who have already been out and I know there are places, here's a quick plug, like the Loving Club, Cup sorry out and Henrietta. They do a really good job with social distancing and having outdoors seating and having all their staffs where the masks and in the plastic face shields, and I have a sister in law who I don't know if she still works there, but she was working there, and I've been reading to go out there just because I want to support them, but I just haven't. I don't know, I've been especially with the health tips that I've been taking from your Patti, I've been kind of eating at home anyways to become my own stuff. So but yeah, I I think people you're right. It's it's see, seems like it's one or the other. You either of just adapted to what's going on and now putting a mask on is like putting your seat belt on, or you're still Mr fight the power and you're like no, I won't wear my mask. This whole thing is, you know, a fraud. So I'm going to do what I want to do, and I think at all depends on where you go and you can go on one building and everyone's kind of following the procedure and you can go into a different building and no one's following the procedure. So I can't remember where I was the other day. I think I can see it and youngish woman, Thirty Ish, wearing the mask like a beard protector. Rights man have to wear the hair net. Great, and I'm thinking, you know, I'm far enough away, but that that's then. You know what, then, don't wear it. Right, you're wrong. Right, exactly, if you're going to just walk around with it under your Chin. And and what what gets me is I'll go into a grocery store and a lot of the workers are don't are not worrying it. Yeah, I've seen that too, where they're selling food and a lot of the workers are not wearing it properly, and I think that that that is what annoys me about it. Yeah, you got to stand there for eight hour shift. You're on your feet eight hours wearing a mask. That has to be difficult. Yeah, and then maybe something that management can do is try to have a little more rotations so people can get outside and take the darn thing off for five minutes every hour or I don't know. I've done not a manager in a place like that. I don't know how that would work. But you know, not that I'm this little petty bureaucrat, but the rules of the rules there for a reason. We've done well as a state. Absolutely good points. Not Screw it up right. That's a good point about our numbers are exceptional right now. We can easily mess...

...that up right. And the problem is with prevention. You don't know what didn't happen. That's why this country does that's why our sick care system does not really pay for prevention, because you can't measure something that didn't happen. And that's what this mask are. It's a leap of faith. It's trying to introduce trying to measure something. It's trying to what would you call that? Proving the negative or something right? You can't prove a negative. That's what we're trying to do with math and trying to prove the negative. You can't do that. So then people go well, you know, nothing change who? We don't know that it changed. We don't know that you can get sick. Right, you prevented somebody else from getting sick. You don't know that? There's no absolute proof. Right right as our society crumbles and we start caring less for each other, unless we're collective outcome, you get people who are going to wear a mask because they don't see it benefiting them. Yeah, and you're right. You and I have the luxury of working in an industry where I don't really need to wear a mask when I'm working because I'm in an area where there's like no one else usually, or I'm far enough away from people where I don't really have to wear or one. So you're right. I can understand someone being a restaurant work or a grocery store employe or something like that and they have to wear the mask all day long. You can understand them getting upset and frustrated or just like I got to take this thing off. I can't breathe them and wear this thing for five hours straight. So I get that, but I agree with you. It's just if you look at places who are not actively participating and wearing masks, like Georgia or Virginia and those kind of places in Texas and Florida and their numbers have spiked and and they've gotten a lot worse. And you're right, that's not absolute proof, but that just kind of lets you know there might be something to it. So our numbers have been going down and there's a big going up and we are one of the most highly enforced mask wearing states in the country. So kind of says something to me. Yeah, I mean is it's like we're in the seat felt. It's yes, Dude's annoying. It may not be the best comparison, but you do what. You get into the habit of doing it. I don't know, forcing your cheese, I you're right, I try. I'm trying to fight it. Always like to do that a sort of annoying, but we do them and they become habits for us and I think that the mask is is similar to that. Now I've gone out. I went out the other day. I completely forgot I change from too back from work, I change from pants to shorts and it was in my pants pocket. So for you, I'm just going for a walk. I kind of had a destination to mine. Said I don't really need to go that like you know I do with a pat down to wear conaro pants and it like eight thousand pockets. It's always patting myself down. Where is everything? And then I realized. I said, Oh right, well, change plans of that. We just just go for a walk, right Yeppe, I've driven and gotten somewhere. I'm like, man, you know, once I actually took my hat off and put it over my face just so I can run in and walk out real quick, not even joking. All right, let last thing before we get out of here. Patty, this is just again I like to always end with an opinion, just to get your thought on stuff instead of getting like just numbers. Do you think that the return to school is going to be successful? Do you think we're going to have the problem? I can't remember if it was George R or Virginia was one of those states where they opened and a pretty much closed in like ten days. Do you think we're going to but again, they were enforcing masks to so I do want to throw that out there. But do you think we're going to actually make it for this semester...

...or are we going to have a shutdown after it? We'll see numbers climb and have to shut it down to just like the other states. I think both people, both camps that will say I told you so, will be right. You know what? Seriously, I'm thinking that by October, places that have opened and have and have lots of people coming through buildings and lots of changing of classrooms and things like that, I think we'll have to retrench that. And one of the things that the Rochester Superintendent said the other day was that if the case get the numbers go up, she didn't want to have to change again. You know, it's kind of an in changing horses in midstream in a sense. Don't we haven't started anything. We can go remote, we can ramp up as as we see it. But if we start and then we have to retrench, how difficult is that going to be for everybody to get used to used to that again? And you know, she made an interesting point. You said that we're used to school being a certain way. Yeah, graves being a certain way, we're helping teach being a certain way and this is massive change in a very this is not evolution, this is revolution, and so she's right. Just interesting points about educators are creative people. They'll figure out ways, but you're being you're being asked to figure it out as you're doing it, you know. So there's a lot of learning, is a lot of frustration, there's there's a lot of initial failure before you get it right, and a lot of frustration because people don't know when this is the end, and there's a lot of fear. So I think if we acknowledge fearfulness, frustration, uncertainty at all, acknowledge all of that and maybe we'll be so were doing more patient with ourselves and with others that we are. We are doing this literally on the fly. Right. I think what you said is key, patience, because you're absolutely right. There's nothing normal about this and I don't see anything back to normal until there's like a vaccine, a real vaccine, not a Russian supposed vaccine that I've heard about, but an actual vaccine were and even after that I won't be completely normal because some people won't want to take the vaccine and changes that I've already happened may stay in place. You never know, but I don't think we're going to see anything close to normal, to actual proven vaccine is finally on the market. So I'm kind of curious to see how this is going to play out. And of course, with children, my curiosities even peaked more now. Thank you. Yeah, I'm thinking that if we go into October with this and still with schools having hybrid doing it, I'd be surprised that it would be incredible amounts of discipline on the fact of the staff and everybody involved in that to really adhere to the guidelines. That I would be incredibly impressed. Yeah, if able to do that. Yeah, and, just like you said, I will end on this. Obviously the population of children. If we start seeing the numbers and schools go up with covid because we let everyone go back to schools, that's also going to influence our entire state because in the state's number starts going up. And what's going to happen after that? So I know we definitely we were already at that place where we were really bad and we brought ourselves all the way down. We don't want us here, so let's go back up there again. So I know we're going to try to do whatever we can stop that. So I think you're right. If it does go past October, I'll be impressively surprised that. Thank you so much, Patti. I always appreciate it my play or man I die. Enjoy it. Yeah, absolutely, and don't...

...forget, make sure you go to the minority reporter dotnet to get the full versions of the headlines that you heard. Yeah, headlines like about the Frederick Douglas International Airport, headlines About Kamala Harris and all the other things that you heard. They're they're all there on the ram and minority reporter. So go to the minority reporter Dotnet, check them out and subscribe if you can as well. Thank you so much. Will be right back with some final thoughts. This is inside the margins. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Welcome back to inside the margins. Okay, final thoughts. This has been kind of bothering me as of late because it's something that happens a lot on social media, and I'm telling you, take my advice. Try to avoid social media as much as possible. Unless you're saying hello, we're posting nice things. Try Not to get into political debates on social media because you're not going to win, especially if you're debating someone who was pretty much stuck on their point of view, not someone who wants to talk sensibly and understands, someone who just going to keep trying to push his or her agenda, not a wise thing to get into a debate with them. So recently this this new thing on facebook about the poor young man who was shot and killed in his front yard, front lawn, by a black man, has been making the rounds and facebook memes. Justice for I cannot remember the kids name and I am sorry, but they want to Justin Justice for him. And the comparison is how come there was so much, you know, outrage and and people upset about George Floyd and Brianna Taylor and all that, but no one, ones seems to be so much speaking so much on this young man who's been killed by a black man in his young Lin. The kids went like five years old and it was, it's certainly is a terrible, terrible crime, and there's no way to explain why it was done. There's nothing good you can say about the person who did it. And you know that person, by the way, just want to make sure I bring this up, was arrested the next day and it's currently sitting in jail and will be tried and I'm pretty sure he will be convicted for the crimes. There is no way he's going to get off on that and he should be. He deserves it. That was a terrible crime. Prayers and thoughts and any type of ceremonies to be held to on only this young man who lost his life certainly should happen. I'm not that is not a debate to me at all. It was a terrible and this guy is, in my opinion, as a terrible human being. That being said, it's not the same thing. It's not the same thing. And you say, well, Matt, why is it not the same thing? Well, George Floyd was killed by police, police officers, people who are paid to protect and serve us. The police officers killed him. It took a global protest to get those officers arrested. Not even a national protest did it. People around the globe, in different countries, had to protest to get these people arrested. Oh on, the cops were killed, granda Taylor, they are still free. Five months later after the crime happened, they're still free. No arrest made. Remembered Rodney King in the s. They beat him too near death. Those cops Thoun not guilty. See, the difference here is the people that we paid to protect and serve were the people who were make doing the crime, and the protests are pretty much about police brutality and police injustice. Has Nothing to do...

...with overall violence. Overall violence is a completely different topic. You can talk about black on black crime or crime in general. It's a whole different thing and those are problems. I'm not saying they're not, but it's different and it makes me. It just gets me so upset when people try to use things like this to say, we'll see if you're going, if you're going to protest about George Floyd, how can we not going to put us about this because it's different. The reason why there's protests because it's unresolved. The cops who were doing this are walking usually, and even when they're arrested they're still found not guilty. That's the problem and this has been happening forever. Since slavery, the police officers who would but who were used to track slaves often beat, brutalize and killed them. There was the Koklux clan up rising to and then there is a s the Nins can talk to, talked about with rightning king and now it's still happening. It's not stopped, and that's why there's a protest, because it's an ongoing problem. Violence will always be around. There always be someone who's going to kill somebody, unfortunately. If that's the truth of the matter and you can protest that, you can. You can. You can try to talk about, you know, better laws, psychic psychic evaluations, gun policies, you can. That can all be debatable. Overall violence, and that's a different topic. But we're talking about police brutality. It is a different thing. So what's happening? Why is this? Why is this become popular? Less because it's being used if fuel your hate. It's being used to fuel you. We're already divided pretty bad in this country and it's obvious we are very divided. So this is a divisive tool. This is to get you up, you know, just upset about something there's nothing to do with. Their just bish. Using it to put you against what short, what's happening, to make you not want to support what's happening. I don't support riots, I don't support violence at all. I do support protest. We have to. If there was no protests, when wouldn't have the right to vote. If there is no protest, blacks would have the right to vote. If there is no protest, we will still be segregated. You have to protest sometimes they make things change. So protests are good, right. It's your bad people breaking, destroying things and killing each other. That's bad. People should be arrested for that. Protesters a good thing, but people are trying to make you against the protests, not the right. It's the protests and they're using this child's death as fuel to make you stand against the change that is needed in this country. Don't fall for these things. I hate memes. The funny names are fine, the jokes that district regular jokes, but means that are trying to drop that they are trying to push you into a political mindset. I hate those because they work so well, because they're quick hitters and they're are meant to make you upset that fast. You don't have to read a whole paragraph. It's usually a few lines and you're like wow, that hit, that hits home. I'm mad now. Don't fall for these memes. Get your facts and make sure you know the difference between police brutality, violence black and black crime. Those are all different things. Thank you for listening to inside the margins and we'll see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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