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Episode · 1 year ago

Shooting Outside of the Open Door Mission

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On this episode we discuss the shooting outside of the Open Door Mission, Cancel Culture, and the mayor suppresses Prude info.. 

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Wello, and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and it is officially spring ahead. Right. Hopefully everyone sprung her clocks forward so no one's being late for anything. If you you know if you have to work and stuff. Obviously, once again our PD is in the news. It seems like they're always in the news. We'll talk about why, what's going on out there. Plus, I want to get into cancel culture today. That's a topic that's been thrown around everywhere. The lets of accuses the right of that. The right accused the left that at everyone kind of has their fingers dirty with the cancel culture. So we're going to talk about that and also the phrase teachable moment and see if that still exists. But before we do any of that, let's go ahead and get into some headline news. What the manner reporters. Patty singer, hello and good afternoon to your Patty, my Matt. One day after Pie Day, right, yes, very good. One for BUBBA. Whatever for you? Have you put one, four five? I've no idea. It's not very not very good at at math either. Anyway. So urpd stories are also in minority reporter for this week. A local group says incidence with Rochester Police Department have gone on far too long. An amenda lawsuit filed against the city and officers in the death of Daniel prude is going to make its way through the courts. In covid news, posting data on vaccinations available to minorities. It's a matter of trust to have those numbers available. The location of a vaccine site does not necessarily guarantee equity. In National News, reaching for the stars, one shot at a time. And also in National News, the coming to America Review, in one writer's opinion, the sequel nobody wanted, with good reason, according to the review. And for the RPD and others again, what happened that led to the shooting outside the open door mission. In business news, which chase commits to minority businesses in the URE medicine project at Marketplace Mall and, in opinion, Howard Eagle is still waiting for the city and county's anti racism plan. That all right, thanks Patty, and thanks as always for that and all is always. You can find the updated and full versions of those headlines that you just heard on minority reporter dotnet. If you go there you get the full versions of anything that you just heard here on the headlines. Also, you'll have the option to subscribe. I subscribe to the mental reporter to get my information in my news. Believe that it's a great idea for you to do that. Do that as well. So you will have the option to do digital or a hard copy. So if you want to do that, the option will be there for you. Also, if you do have any questions, comments or suggestions for the minority reporter, you can do that just an email to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. That's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. And also, if you have missed any past episodes of inside the margins and you want to hear them, you can go to our website at inside the margins RADIOCOM. We are the full past versions of our episodes there and also, including this one, and also you can find us on iheartcom and wherever you get your podcast. All...

...right, when we come back, Patty and I will talk about the latest with the RPD and also cancel culture. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to inside the margins. I'm here with Patty. All right, patty, seems like the rpd is pretty much in the news every week, so we always have another stall a story in regards to the cops here, and the latest news story involves a shooting outside of the outdoor open door mission building involving a knife. Turns out like a homeless guy was coming forward with a knife towards officers and he was feelingly wounded. What's the latest information on that? Well, the he was identified as Tishon Jones, a resident of Gates. There's there's a lot of confusion on this, which you know. Some of it gets sorted out in news conferences. There was one yesterday and and some you know. Can you continue to get more information as investigations go go forward? I mean he's identified as a resident of Gates and yet he told Gates police that he was homeless. So is a what what's the situation with that it's a fascinating is not the right word here, but the story is just so you hear about this last you know Wednesday that police fatally wound a man outside the open door mission who is a police Athan and a news conference twelve hours later. Don't know who this person is. So apparently in the when the body camera footage comes out Wednesday night, Thursday morning, Gates police officers say, oh my gosh, that was the man that we were called for earlier, earlier that day, I've maybe may have even been the day before. So Gates police get called. There's a some sort of according to Gates police, there's some sort of altercation, confrontation, engagement with this man and a shopper in a store and that appears to end when the shopper buys the man some food. The man then proceeds, I guess, to follow the shopper out or home where. I don't they don't say where the store is, so you don't know if it's a little corner store or, you know, a store and applausea somewhere in gase. You don't know right. But the call is made to the police. The person doesn't have the calls. Maybe this person doesn't have shoes. All right. So somebody could ask what why? You call the police and somebody doesn't have shoes. Well, in gates you're going to call the gates is not the city. They don't have a pick team. Do you call fit? I mean who do you were going to have to re educate everybody in who you call through for all these different things that could happen for somebody. So somebody, someplace is going to have to be the clearinghouse for where. You Call to triage? WHO GETS sent where? That's another conversation. Anyway, Gates fulice show up see this person. I guess there's some kind of discussion with with what, where this person wants to go, what he wants to do. There doesn't appear to be any any kind of, you know, conference. He doesn't appear to be confrontational. Gates police don't appear to be confrontation. It's just hey, what's going on and they noticed, you know, he doesn't have any shoes. They're going to take him to a shelter. They convince him to go to a shelter. They'll take the go the shelter and apparently he's denied entry the shelter shoes. Hm. So in a bit of Serendipity, these officers this to just happened to be a pair of shoes, kind of Sata on the ground nearby. How about these great goes into the shelter. So...

...the facts come from gates income from ourpd. So the Tyshon Jones is brought to the shelt different shelter, not open door mission. HMM. Sometime around thirty. It's some point in that night he leaves. So that would have been that would have been too. That would have been the ninth right. So overnight into the tent. At some point he leaves and is, according to news release from Roche's feet appartment, is seeing wandering downtown. I don't know how they know that if it's, you know, storefront surveillance footage that they've reviewed over a period of time. So we know what happens in the encounter the gates police. This is, I know, how sad is this? Recognize the shoes, HMM, and say that was the guy we had. Yeah, yeah, are we ever going to know what happened? Yeah, we ever going to know what caused him to leave the first shelter? What do you went in? He was alleged to have gone into the open door mission. You picked up knives. You know he's coming in, an officer with a knife. The officers to drop the knife, drop the knife. I mean you know, as you as you look at this, as you think of we have the luxury of sitting wherever we're sitting and watching this through a screen. MMM, so we have that luxury. We are not on the street at three o'clock in the morning with somebody walking toward us with a knife. Right. The more I think about this, and I have that luxury in my safe little house. I have the luxury of that. Well, does he really need to yell at the Guy Right then? I then I start questioning everything. Well, what if he didn't yellow? And what? I'm not there. Yeah, the mayor herself, in the news conference twelve hours later, said she watched on a video. She wasn't there. Yep, Yep. So you know video games, right, you know, shoot a video games and all these things where we think we're in the action or whatever. What would it be like if we could say to OURPD, Hey, can we go through training? Can we see some of your can we go? Because I don't know what it would be like to be in that scenario? Do have a training thing that we can go through? I mean, people can apply to citizens police academy and things like that. But what is it really like when it when you're not, when you know you're not, watching a video game? Sure it's a simulation, but this person's coming at you. I mean, what do you do? What are your knee jerk reactions? Right, exactly, well, kneed you go or you know, I sit there and think, okay, does he really have to yell at them? The officer may be thinking. Isn't this how my colleague was maybe ended up in an incident in which he lost his sighte. Yep, right. We're all thinking different things here. It's it's a petty it's so tough because now we're everything. So here's the thing, and I'm not going to put any judgment on anything right now. Well, we'll wait till some further information comes up before I should give an opinion on how I feel, but I'm going to put this out there. So in the past we've talked about incidents involving pepper spray. Right, so it's a woman getting pepper spray. It Chi'll get pepper sprayed the things about pepper spray is, no matter how you feel about that, the at the end of the day, no one's dead, right. So that's a different situation about off of US them. So in this situation someone's coming at police officers aren't coming towards a cop with a weapon and the COP as a weapon. So those situations make the entire situation and completely different, because now you're not just trying to get control of somebody right where the pepper spray is someone. You're trying to...

...get someone in the car. You're trying to get you try to get control of them so your pepper spraym calm down so you can so you can maneuver them where you want to. This is more if I don't stop this person, I or a fellow officer may get injured. So your reactions to this are going to be a lot different than someone that you're just trying to get control of. Now everyone has their different opinions on how the Pepper Spray Etenance went and you know, again, as we patty and I talked about someone, we some of them, we agree with someone we don't, and you're absolutely right. It's hard to put yourself in a situation where someone is coming at you with a knife and you have a gun on you, what are you going to do? You know, you know, and and I think you couldn't say any better. You got to see. The way for US understand why police officers act and react the way they do would be it would be beneficial for us if we could figure out the kind of training they go through. So you're right, if somebody who was part of the leadership team of the activists or one of the organizers or a few of the organizers, are even organizer and just a supporter, would have the opportunity to go through the training to see what they are trained to be. Putting those kind of simulations, if you will, they can see maybe they understand the difficulties of making the appropriate, I guess you would say, reactions to what's happening, because what if, by for death things things are a little more intense. When you agree? Yeah, okay. So Reverend Brown, who was called a news conference the other day, it said we had a conversation before that and we she talked about pepper spray. You know, they pepper spray a nine year old, they pepper sprayed mom. They irony was there didn't appear to be pepper spray here. Well, you know is I think about it now, I've pepper spray has to be in proximity because think of it is it's a spray, right, it's going to go it's going to dissipate, it's going to go out, it's going to go over a larger area and it's if you just spraying it, you may not get the target, you know, I mean you may not hit the person in order to get control of the situation. What we when we see pepper spray we see it in a very, very close it's blast and that's it. So pepper balls or pepper gun or beam bag gun that could be used to distract the person or somehow what they called less lethal force. Right, not every officer, not every car has that. So even even if, and I didn't think, I think about it now, of course. Sure. Okay, wait, run as always that way to say to her. No, do you mean pepper balls or peppers? Because you know a pepper ball gun, which again was criticized in the protests. You know, these projectiles that were that were fired criticized in the protest could have had a place here. But again, not. They weren't. Not Every car, not every officer hasn't. Not every officer has a Taser, right, right, you, every officer you see may have one. So you may think they all have them, but they don't, and I don't know why that is. I don't know if it's yeah, that's a good always been that way. That's a good punting if it's a dfunding thing. You're not. But if you listen to the if you watch the body CAM footage, we have a link to it on minority reporter the article about this. We have a link to the body cam footage and again I would encourage you to do that. It's less than forty minutes too. You can hear the call, call for Taser, call for being bad gun. And in the news conference that afternoon the chief had said that this will happened in about in less than ten minutes. So the car couldn't get there. Right, right. But again, ask yourself the question...

...why don't all cars have them? And you can email the chief and after that, Yep, Yep, that's the question I would have to asker. That was the one question. I at the pepper spray thing. You, you could not have said that any perfectly. It's the it's when you're trying to get someone to drop a knife who's coming at you. Pepper sprie probably not the best option because it does come out in amiss some of some of that does come out in the stream, but it's still does kind of get missed. You you can not hit the target the way you want to. The best situation, the best thing in the situation would be probably like a Taser. Taser would be something to actually stop the person in the tracks. Probably have the job drop whatever they have and they would fall to the ground. That's how a Taser works. That would have been more appropriate for the situation. And you're right. It does seem like every time you see all these famous clips of don't taste me, Bro and everyone getting tasted right you, you always see officers with tasers. So it I was curious at why don't white don't the officers? What? Why wasn't anyone armed with the Taser at this time? But again, we will, we will get more information on what happened and I that definitely is a question that I would ask those. Is there? Is it a funding issue? Is there? Is there as a you know, the money's not had to actually provide everyone with one? Or what's going on with that? or or is that something way we can fix and going forward, because we can make sure everyone has a taser, because you can be, as I said, well, we started this conversation pad. You can be as mad as you want to about what happened with pepper spray. You'd be as mad as you want to what happened. What the child, or what the or the woman who got sprayed in front of her child. But you know, when something's fatal, is not just being bad. Someone now loss a life. So there's going to be a lot more people probably upset about that. When, when is no longer in its this is because of an incident. So but again, I again, I'm not putting a junker of anything yet. We're going to wait till some more information comes out and we'll probably revise it this next week, I believe. Right. So I see you say okay, next and it's just like where do we go from you? All right, I go from here. Well, I want, as I as I kind of alluded to earlier, Patty, I want to talk a little bit about cancel culture. I want to get your opinions on some things, but we'ren't take a quick break first and when we come back I want to bring up some topics on some of the things. We usually we stay local, but I want to kind of go more broad with this, patty, so don't I don't want to lose you. I stick with me on this one. I'm going to throw you a few questions. We'll see where we go at that. But I want to talk about cols culture and we will do that right after this break. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to you inside the margins, and Patty hasn't left. So thank you for sticking around, Patty. I appreciate that. All right, Patty. So, as I alluded to before, we want to break cancel. Culture is a really big topic right now, and it's not it seems like both sides of you know, the people of political affiliations are kind of putting fingers at each other on on cancer, culture and and, but it does seem to be very rampant and this woke, quote unquote, woke era that we're in right now and a lot of things have been happening. You know, some things that kind of agreed with, like the you know, the whole and Jemmamas Syrup thing right that that that happened, and I get at because that was based on a slaver petition of a slavery person, I guess, person who was enslaved. So I get that. I get I do understand that. But we are pretty much canceling everything right now. There's there's recently peppy with pews been removed from space jam because of his, quote unquote, rapist tendencies because he the way, he was chasing the cat for so much, so many, so many years. In the cartoons, Mr Potato Head is no longer Mr Potato head. It's now just potato head to be gender neutral. And there's a lot of other things happening and again I would me to first happen. I was the first to jump on that, I thought the first, but I jumped right on...

...that. I certainly agree at that. I I you know, I believe that women have been harassed and have gone through a great deal, especially in a work environment. So I fully support that. I'm a hundred percent behind any of that, that kind of stuff. Obviously for equity and equal rights to as a minority. I'm also prolat as well, but sometimes I think we go a little too far, patty sometimes, I think instead of learning about things or maybe having a lessons, you know, peppy with Pu maybe one day learning lesser. Hey, maybe I should stop chasing that cat and it's kind of changes ways or something. Why don't we do something like that instead of just canceling everything? Now I go with good radio again. Yeah, sorry, I'm big. I'm better on TV. You see my shoulders SAG. And you mentioned before us about the the teachable moment. Yeah, I mean that's what a lot of these things present, is a teachable moment. Now, what are you going to teach and what are you going to learn? Right, it's going to be you're going to teach basically what you you're going to teach what you want. Somebody run right, right, you know. So is it the same thing? I just I just think it points to the intolerant time that we're living in. Yes, that we won't, we're not going to take the time to explore an issue. was going to say no, it's no good, we don't want to have a discussion, because it seems like discussions turn into arguments. HMM and so. And I think against a backdrop of a year in which everybody's nerves or raw from covid you know, part of me thinks, okay, maybe discretion is the better part of our or here. Maybe we shouldn't push a lot of these things. But at the same time I just think that you, you have to stand up when you think that something is is not is short sighted and not right and and say, well, what do we what are we losing in the long run by canceling pet people, Pew or these? You're the one who told me about that, because I have space jam fan and I did for you to remember with you from when, from my I thought when you told me that, I thought, okay, maybe it was something about the French they did were felt that they were being, I don't know, somehow ridiculous spect you're right, that's we know whatever that's. That's where I thought that came from, because I said, I'm not I'm not a space jam Aficionado to know everything. That's that's going on and that. So, yeah, I mean and I read in the paper the other day about some Dr Seuss things. Yes, that's awesome. The name and and I guess you know. And I started on my walk yesterday morning I was thinking, okay, I read that article about Dr Susan the racist, and I'm thinking, okay, I when I was a kid, I love my first book I remember reading is one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish, and you know the sneeches and how the stars upon ours and those who didn't and they you know, and I guess in my little kid brain it was just that people were different and people argue over differences and people get stubborn and entrenched over differences, and I guess why do people get stubborn and entrenched over differences? And then maybe I left it at that. As an adult, if I would go back and read those and I have skimmed a few and you know, years ago, I do see them a little bit differently now, but in a weird way, that's literature. Yeah, that's the universalness of literature. Somebody will probably want to cancel bow ankle for some reason, but was I was a kid. I watched rocky and bullwinkle. As an adult when I had occasion to come across it, I don't. It can't captivate me for that long. But now I understand the Cold War and Boris in Natasha and and so it's all these things on different levels. So I think it helps if you're reading one for two fish, read fish, blue fish to your child for the hundred times, be thousand, fine,...

...something, and that's going to come to you as the adult that you're going to you're going to pick up on and then maybe you can talk to the child about that and say, Oh, look at look at this, or what do you think about this? And obviously age appropriate. But good writing, literature, no matter who it's aimed for, gets people to think. Right. It doesn't always get them to think in what would be a popular way. I don't know that I want to use the word positive way, but it doesn't get them to always think of happy thoughts. And again I think, excuse me, we have to think of people who were the products of their times. I'm not saying those times were are correct now, but it's there's a historical context right that we have to appreciate and we can't change the historical context. We can change our reaction to that now, knowing what we know and the time that is past, but that's history. You can't rewrite history. You can appreciate and understand history and not repeat the bad things in history. You're right and I agree at that toy. You know, and you know I've always said this too, there are some things that they removed that they should have like the little samball things, and there was some of them, you know, yeah, lawn jockeys and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those, those should be gone. I don't think anyone's going to like. No, bring those right might. Those should be gone. But you know, I don't remember anyone really again, this is just me and I don't know if you if you feel differently, you could email me or even patty or minor reporter if you want it. But I don't know if you feel differently, but I don't Bel I don't haven't heard anyone really be offended by pepping the Pew before. I didn't know that that was offending people. I can see you again. I always was when someone puts up the complaint about what is the problem? I always watch it and we visit and see why they they say that and I can see. I understand he. He is definitely chasing her and, you know, kissing her and she's trying to escape all the time. If you ever watch those cartoons, but when I was a kid I thought the cat doesn't want to meet them. Because he smells and that was that was the gag. It was that he was stinky as a skunk and he was chasing cats who did not like him because he was a skunk and he's stunk. It wasn't because he was an aggressive personality. That was forcibly trying to put female cats in a bad situation. But again, if you look at it, I understand. And should he be doing it anymore? Probably not. That we we are now a different era, as you alluded to, Patty. Back then that was it really the thought process. Now we are aware where that that could not that could be perceived as a very bad thing and, like I said, a teachafull moment, peppy lip, you learns that. You know what, maybe I am being a little too aggressive. Maybe I should change my ways, you know, and have that be like an episode on on, you know, a bug buddy show or something, and he learns and he's a different cat and now you can go a different way with that character instead of saying you're done, canceled, no more popular Pew and I think that we do that. We don't people. Don't give people a chance to learn about things or change and and become better people just think that if you make it, if you you know, seven what was that cartoon come out in? And in the S or something when he first came out. I can't remember how far back, but a character from the s probably acted a lot differently than a character would be of today. Right. So just update that character, make him more of a modern version of what it is. Have Them of learned that? That is is ways are probably a little aggressive and he is now on improved and a better skunk instead of saying no more pepper with a pew. Well, so I was never a huge fan of the show. Mad Men. I tried to watch it again. We're talking about the fifty s. That e're I tried to watch it and in and as a woman who, you know, came of age in the S and S and s with my job and did that, I could not watch that show. I just couldn't watch the way men were excused in women were treated. I...

...think I got through maybe if I got through three episodes. I just I say, I thought I am not going to watch this. And so where am I going with this? Some people may feel the same about, you know, peppeoplepe right, but it was that. It was that period of time. It was the S, in the S, probably the early S, right, for I get you're probably right, right. That was the way things were and I think of all the women that work so hard to make it different for me. But guess what, I had to put up with a lot of that same. You know, yes, you did, yes, you did. You know, it's slightly different way, but it didn't change. It didn't change a lot. You know, there was still harassment on the job, harassment from colleagues, bullying from colleagues. So it didn't really it didn't really change throughout. It was still it was. It was pushed underground. So in a way, when I want to say sorry, Matt, No, you're you're friend, you're fine. So is it? These are we have to look at it. We have to look at these uncomfortable situations and figure out how we're going to do better racially, gender wise, with religion, with with thought, with with lots of things, people, disabilities, we keep disappote. I think we have to it. We go shooting all over ourselves. Right, yeah, it would be helpful. It's better way to say if people were able to sit with some discomfort. Why are they oncome? Why is this discomforting to them, and what is it in my power to make it more comfortable for me or somebody else? Do I act like peppy with Pew? Yeah, do I act like Don Draper? Do I act like somebody else? And that hurts. It does. To look at yourself that way hurts. It is painful. Yeah, it's see where you may have look at where in the period of lent, you know, and and Judaism, you have the days of all ten days, you know leading up and actually a month before you get to that, of where you take stock of yourself and where you have where you have missed the mark. I mean it's really more than just a day, it's really a month leading up to that. And if you if you choose to be reflective, it's not pleasant. Yeah, no, it's not, and I think that's why I always especially when it comes the gender equality, I usually I like to always get a woman's perspective because, even though I'm an African American male, my experiences, although we've share some similarity in our experiences of the hardships that we faced, they're still on different level. You know, I'm I'm I've never really had a any sexual misconduct towards me. I'm a larger guy. People probably write that pursue me in that and that aspect. But you, as a female, you probably have come across that. So there are that's why I usually hold my judgment on anything until I get a woman's perspective, because they are the ones that can tell that story better than I can, or don't. They're the ones that have a real life experiences in those situations. I have not. I only I only know what I know by what people tell me, especially who we experience that life. So that's why I don't want to say that what pepper the Pew was doing it was good, because I will never say that. I don't think that was a great thing. However, I just get nervous sometimes when we just put everything on the chopping block when we think something's wrong. Weight like the example I here's an either your one, the the the Mr Potato head.

I don't really think anyone was negatively, negatively affected by Mr Potato at. There was a Mr and Mrs Potato at right. There was both. So I don't I don't understand why we had to take Mr out of that, but I get that. I get there are some people that don't have they don't carry the title of Mr Mrs. Some people have gender gender neutral titles and if you want to be more reflective and respectful, respectful to who they are, you try to have characters who reflect them. But again, do we really have to can we kid, and we have just added a put a potato head. DO WE HAVE TO CANCEL MR POTATO HEAD? You know, you know what I mean. Can we have made it? Okay, here is just a gender neutral potato with that we just made now. So anybody, whoever you are, compared with the generic one. But if you want a Mr or if you want to Missus, we have that too. Now is no we remove Mr so miss potato is no longer available. It's just potato head. I think that's a step too far in my opinion. I know it's time tell what I want. I what I I'm sure any of us who had a sibling went to a parent when sibling got something and we didn't. Yes, that's said. That's not fair. And what did parents say? Life is not fair. It's it's not. And I don't know if you if Madison Avenue Advertising tries to make it fair, but the world at large isn't? Are we setting ourselves up for more disappointment, anxiety, sense of unfairness? I don't know, the world. The world isn't fair. Sometimes we use fair as a synonym for equity, but this is complicated. It's not by canceling, MR by saying it's there's no more, Mr Potato Head, you you don't fix eons of gender issues. But okay, as I was saying that, I was thinking about this. I'm not surprised that we've gotten away with Mr Potato head these. How many times have you heard a mixed group referred to as guys? That's either females. Yeah, referred to as got some very good right. So you know, it's the more I talked about this, the more I think this isn't surprising, because we now refer to we would get really annoyed. Lots of people would get annoyed when the Pronoun He is used, HMM, to refer to all men of created or what we have right, the are constitution, Bill of Rights, declaration of independence, words all men, all man a created equal. Yeah, all right, at the time it was all men are created equal. Women were, but it's been come to fold in because we don't have an equal rights amendment. We have folded in women, but it when you now you can't just always use the Pronoun He. So I'm not I'm not surprised. I'm talking in circles here. Anybody's why you think? Total stream of consciousness? Total stream of conscious what I was on a Monday afternoon. Totally. How do we? Totally, but it is I as I try to make these connections, I think, okay, if everybody's a guy, well, I'm not a guy. My mother used to get lived in a restaurant. When the server would come over and go hi, guys, how you doing? You would just a steam would just come out of her ears. HMM. So, yeah, we've we fallen into that trap by being lazy with our language. I agree. I agree with that. That I do agree with absolutely. Yeah, what you talk now, because I'm...

...a mess now. I know that. Those tipments I agree with. I try my hardest because I won't lie. I know I was. I was guilty of that for a while of hey guys, you know, I used it all the time, but I don't. I try to say how's everyone doing, or you know, how's it going for everybody today, or something like that, I usually don't. Don't use guys any more because you're right, that's bad. I think. If I used to be a huge star Trek Fan, I remember what Star Trek first came out. Their phrase, of their tagline was to boldly go where no man has gone before. Now they have changed that, obviously as times of updated. Now it's to boldly go where no one has gone before. So you're absolutely right. There it's there's always been a male gender placed on anything of significance for a very long time and we're trying to push away from that. So I get. I get. That's why I always say what I talk about these things. I get the angle. I understand. With potato head, you want to be all inclusive and again there was a mster and there was a miss. So my my opinion would be to add a third. You have the option of a Mr, you have the option of the MRS or you have just a potato head. If you would, if you use not to go buy those pronouns, I guess, if you want to say or titles. So, but just getting rid of one like why would you get rid of if you're getting rid of Mr, would you get rid of Mrs would now was it just potato head all together? I that's what I'm saying. I don't understand what you're if if you're scrapping Mr nd Mrs and it's just potato head, okay, I understand that it's number one. Financially, it's easier. You know what I mean? There's some making three different products, but if you're if you're keeping miss and the other one options just potato head, is that kind of backwards to you know? I mean well, and you know. And then we get into let's get into the stereotypes that we're doing with what Mr Potato head looked like, what Mrs Potato Head looked like, is, I'm remembering this kind of, you know, stern looking glasses. She had kind of frumpy looking clothes. And then, if you want to get into stereotypes, let's go to Ken and Barbie, and Barbie was an actual person. What the dimensions would be? You know? Yeah, so we have we're going on a dark roof and we and we have cast we have cast our we have projected what we think of, as you know, beauty, equality, whatever on to onto these, you know, in inanimate objects. I don't know, let's try to get back to a teachable moment here. What is what's the teachable moment in all of this? Well, and so this is I think. I think when we evolve, when we come from a place and we learn more, we try to make improvements, right and and we all do that. We do that with science, we do that with school, we do with everything. Was More knowledge is placed upon us. We try to implement that knowledge into our teachings and now we teach the new knowledge. I think we should do that with these things, instead of canceling what we used to know. We can say, Hey, this is how things were, but now we know this, so this is how things are now and as things go on we learn more. So, as I as I discussed with with pepper of the Pew, he teach the moment you should not act like that, and then he should stop back like that. I don't know if we need to actually cancel, cancel the actual character or with Mr Potatohoad, do we need to actually get rid of Mr Peahood, or do we need to teach people? By the way, there are more things. There are more creations in this world than just Mr and missus. There are there is a gender neutral avenue and or people who give themselves other titles or have or feel or believe or aspire to be something different. And if that's the case, let's represent that person or that group of people instead of saying we're canceling out on a different group of people. I think we shouldn't cancel people. I think we should be more inclusive and add versus cancel or make corrections or improvements. I think that's a good point. Is when...

...we're looking at equity, don't doesn't the binary also want to be equal? Right, right, yeah, that and I guess what I just want to want this year. So, okay, we're getting a little on time. I want to mention this real quick before we got here. So there was a report that they're lovely warrens of official suppressed some information about Daniel proves death in an inpendent report. So what? Just want to get your opinion on that, Patty. What do you think that means for the mayor? Is that going to change anything for her? I know there's probably more calls for her, for her to resign. Should you resign? You know, people want the governor to resign, people want the man to resign. I don't know if there's a false equivalence in the two things that are alleged to have done. And Remember, the report is not. Was Not a criminal investigation. Right, it was. It was the court of you know, she's being tried in the court of public opinion, not in a court of law. Right rights, those, those are different things. One of the things, though, that I've been thinking, and let me let me put this out there. Can't play what if, but we're going to. That's what we do. We do if the city had said what happened to Daniel Proud and had said that in a timely manner, what may have been the result of that in Minneapolis with George Floyd? HMM, very, very good point. Very good the bid. Would we know the name of George Floyd? Would we even know that man's name, let alone say it? Would we even know it? Right? Wow, that's a that's a very, very, very big question. I think if this information, if it was just released when it happened, and we and even if they even if something was put out this and hey, I'm there is a man who died in police captivity. Were investigating at will, where we will keep the public informed as we learn more about the incident that happened. If they would have put that out in beginning, even a simple statement like that saying we know this happened and we're looking into it, I think a lot of things that have happened would be a lot different. You know what I mean? We do, I think, very early on we first start talking about this, this proved case. It's not just the fact that Daniel prude was killed, was died while while in police custody, the fact that it was swept under the rug or hidden. There's a lot of disappointment in that that. There was that there was a the fact that that we don't want to tell a public what happened because we're not sure what happened yet either. So when? So you know, we're just going to kind of put this to a sideum pretend everything's okay, pulling the wool over our eyes if you if you will. I think that hurts just as much to this not to the family, obvious here down you're proved, but to the city of Rochester. I think that hurts just as much as incidents itself. I'm sure many of our listeners have been in a relationship, regardless of the level of intimacy of that relationship in which they have been lied to or misled, and then how do you when you found out about the misleading or false information, how did you then feel about that person, particularly if you needed to rely on that person and trust that person in another situation? Right. I think that is analogous to this. Absolutely can can the mayor? Can the people of Rochester trust the people who are in power? Who are whoever these leadership roles in the city? The...

Corporation Council, the mayor, we know, the police chief is gone and some and some other there are. There's some other people that that the citizens don't have contact with. Citizens don't have contact with the communications director. Right. The citizens tangently have contact with the corporation council because that person advises the mayor. But there were some other people who would tangentle to this who aren't really you know, in the daytoday life of a people, citizens of Rochester aren't really affected, but for those who are, for those who do have more of a direct link to daily living, it's a it is a I think it's a matter of trust. Can we can we trust what they will say next? Right, that's how you mean it's couples counseling and how you rebuild the relationships. Can I trust you that the next time? How do I rebuild my trusting you? It's petty that you you could not have hit the nail harder on that on the head. It's tough because right when that in a relationship with that happens, one of two things happens. Either that relationships over or, like you said, you go you go through therapy and counseling and other things that try to make it work. So that's the question. I guess we're that's where Rochester sits right now. What does roster want to do, because robster still want to work on the relationship and and get that trust back, or does roster want to clean house and start over and stare over fresh? And that's kind of where we sit. The like, and you alluded to this too. Again, that happened. A lot of the people on the Police Department have been let go and you know, the chief police was let go and other other police officers were also let go. So they chose Cho thank you. Thank you for aut of them. They they be coming. Initially. Initially the chief retired and then was fired. Thank you for that correction. You're absolutely correct. There was. There was a retirement and I'm asked walkout plan first, and then that kind of turned everything kind it turned around. So you're absolutely right on that. But yeah, so, so let's just say those people are gone. But but there are remaining people, especially the person, the person who runs, quote unquote, the police are public safety in general, would be the mayor. Right, that's the person, that's the that's time she high right. The police chief, you know, responds to the mayor. The mayor is the chief executive officer of the city of Rochester. Okay, from a business standpoint, you can look at for a business standpoint, but I mean the mayor also, you know, she's part of the communities very she's personable in the community, which is beloved of a member of the coop. Yeah, and in some coins, some corners, she is beloved in the community. But to the people who are her biggest fans is it's a matter of trust. Can they can they trust her? And you know what I think? On June twenty two, I believe that's the day of the primary, I think people will say whether or not they can trust her. We're going to find out I agree with you on that. Yeah, so that I just wanted. We're speaking of canceling culture, cancel culture. I just wonder if Rochester is getting ready to cancel her. We're going to find out, obviously. All right, Patty, I think we have hit our mark. So we will. We will end this show today but will be back next week to talk more about what's happening in Rochester. I'm sure the police will still be in the in the new sal I'm sure we'll talk more about that. But before we get out of here our so remind everybody Patty did talk about some headline news earlier in the program and if you miss those you can also listen back as program but before that, if you go to minority reporter dotnet. If you go to minority reporter Dotnet, you can get the full versions of those headlines that Patty talked about. You also will have the option to subscribe to the minority reporter. You got a option of hard copy or digital, so totally up to you. As I've reference earlier, I subscribe to it. So I believe it's a pretty good option for people who want to be informed up what's happening in the community and also, if you did, if you're just tuning in right now, you've missed pretty much the entire program but that's...

...okay. That's okay. You could go to inside the margins RADIOCOM. You can get the full version of this episode in any past episodes of inside the margins. there. We also are available on Iheart and where we get your podcast. And I also always want to say if you do have any comments, questions, suggestions for stories or topics, you can reach out to the minority reporter at editor at minority reporter Dotnet. Again, that's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. All right, Patty. Should we do this again next week? Yes, sir. All right, for Patty Singer, this is Matt Wilson. This is inside the margins. Will see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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