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Episode 33 · 1 year ago

Rochester's New Interm Police Chief

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In this episode, we discuss the ground breaking new interm Chief of Police in Rochester New York, the ongoing protests and Covid-19 in the schools.

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello, welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. Lots of things happening still and regards to covid more schools are beginning to switch now to full at home. I know some of the colleges, including Geneseo, after Thanksgiving, are going to at home strictly due to spikes and coronavirus cases at the schools. Also, the Mayor, lovely Warren, has selected a new intern police chief and we'll talk about that as well. And some of the protesting that's been happening. It looks like it's switched gears. The protests now our response to Taylor and you know well cover the little bit as well, but we four we dive into all of that juicy stuff. Let's go ahead and bring you your headline news with the minority reporters, petty singer, hello and good after you and to your batty. Hello Man, we are again inning round. Yes, they do. There is no pause, but we just here a moment ago. Yeah, now now with a new set of headline. Yeah, absolutely, the news never stopped. Roberts wasn't in college's appointed heard Alexander as its chief diversity officer. And other local news. The Daniel prude case is force changes in the Attorney General's policy on the release of body CAM footage. The mayor's office, Wall Department, Rochester Police Department and City Council. ENA's an independent investigation being held by City Council. You Clam United Christian Leadership Ministry is calling for peace and is announcing a visit by the Reverend Jesse Jackson. The cover story this week is Rochester Mourn's two lives lost to gun violence in the shooting on September. Nineteen. Jarvis, Alexander and Jakala, young to nineteen year old, were killed in the city. Is Reacting to that? The Police Accountability Board is taking its claim as a voice in police review. All the police news is what is next for the Goodman section station after city council has put funding on hold. In National News. ransomware is ransomware. Demands have surge during the pandemic. Remote learning and employment have increased during the coronavirus pandemic, and so have cyber attacks holding data for hostage for ransom. In opinion this week Shitty Bird writes defund the police. What is wrong with this agenda? And Howard Eagle is calling for greater transparency from race the commission on Racer and structural equity. And in senior moments, Martha Hope writes about senior issues becoming much more visible now. Thanks so much, Patti, as always. And as always, if you like to get the full versions of the headlines that petty just talked about, you can go ahead and visit the minority reporter Dotnet and you will see the full versions of these headlines. You can read them in their entirety and at the full stories. You will also have the option to subscribe while you're there. It's good to support local journalism. So when you're there I...

...advise you to take out to take the option to subscribe to the minority reporter. Also on our website at inside the margins Radiocom, you can find this episode in all previous episodes of inside the margins there, as well as on iheartcom and wherever you get your podcast. And also we both the minority reporter and the inside the margins radio pro them. We like comment, suggestions, feedback. So if you want to submit some feedback or comments to the minority reporter, submit your email to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. That's editor at minority reported Dotnet, and you can also subsitt you can also submit questions to us on our website on inside the margins radiocom or directly to me, which is Matt Wilson at inside the margins RADIOCOM. All right, we're going to go and take a quick break and when we come back we will talk about the new intern police chief, schools, covid protest, all that good stuff right here on inside the margins. Welcome back to inside the margins. Okay, so I am here with Patty Singer and Patty, as you are aware, there was an announcement made by Mayor Lovely Warren on Saturday eleven did you? Were you will around for that announcement or I I got the call and race down and actually the mayor has been at her news conferences later the last couple of she's held not really been open to a lot of questions. When she released a Damuel proved the big file, all the emails whatever. Do not take any questions then. And yes, the other day, Saturday, it was days all one together on me. Sorry. When, after she announced it, Cynthia Harriet Sullivan was going to be in a room. Chief gave youel person was going to be. He was promoted to a deputy chief position and Moses Robinson was named to a new team. It's going to be started in the chief's office. Okay, usual will take a few questions, so I'm not bashful, as you know, and I ordered one out about what what will be your priorities and and that's the only question. Take it. Then the mayor just shut it down and then we kind of thought it was all going to be over. And then the new interim chief came out about five minutes later and she talked for about ten minutes and then, you know, gave some just basic answers to basic questions about why and what are you going to do? And she was asked about what she thought about Daniel prude the way that was handled. She she said she wanted to read all the reports, look at all the body camp footage. She was to make a comment. So she said she had done her research and her homework. So it was just interesting that one one question at the news conference. That was that. And then the new chief did come out, which I give her credit for. Me Fly was there. There was a lot going on and she could have followed the mayor's lead and said okay, where we do what we're going to do, we're done, but to come back out and answer some questions, I give you credit for that. Everybody, everybody wants to know. You can't. There can't be any hiding in the city right now for anything. One person did. She did come from the Rochester Housing Authority and as we know, that has been been some issues there, some people affiliated with that facing some charges. George Moses facing charges there, and that question really wasn't answered. She said she wanted to get back to be able to help. She she said that she had left law enforcement after two thousand and nine to do things that would keep people out of jail. Looking at more the the term these days is root causes. What is it? It's causing some of the situations that are leading to some behaviors that can be viewed as criminal. You don't think it end up. People can end up...

...in the criminal justice system and she was working at the other, excuse me, the other end of that kind of be more preventive and let's look at solutions and and that, I think, is a good approach to bring now, because we need we need some new ideas, we need some new solutions. We need people who've looked at the problem. You can I'm bad at geometry, but if you take a square and you put it on an angle a little bit, don't have a parallelogram. I mean might still be a square, but it's you just change the angle of it all whatever. You just change how you looked at that shape, and I think that's what meat what needs to be done right now. I mean, will be Rah a? Will that be difficulty for her, a burden for her? I don't know fully what her position there was. She was there for several years, but I hope not. Let's focus on the police and let's get this situation in the city squared away. She seems to be big on wanting to have conversations with people, doing homework, being measured in her responses and I think that is a good approach right now. Yep, and I agree. I know that Mary Lovely Horn, Mary Lovely Warren, has made her responses very brief. Obviously she's under fire right now. A lot of people are calling for her resigns. So I know that she's not fielding a lot of questions because I know a lot of them are going to be directed towards that. I think she's just kind of trying to shy away from that. What's you're right in this situation. You shouldn't. You should. That's going to come with what happened and you should expect that and you just kind of kind of get through that. One thing I wanted to bring up. I know there was. I've listened to a few the radio show hosts talk about the decision that was made as far as the new interim police chief, sent you her self, let Sullivan, and obviously you hear both good, just good speculation of some bad. Some people are saying that there are other people that were more qualified to be the police chief. You know, so that they are saying that they were overlooked because Maryor is trying to push your Jenda. I don't know if that's true. There's other people that are saying that. You know, it's good because they were kind of afraid that after a Laurn, singletary was going to be gone. They are kind of afraid that the diversity was going to not be as prevalent there, and it looks like because, if anyone is not seen yet, Cynthia harits olden is an African American woman. So adversity still there. Some people are saying that that's the main reason why that happened. There's a lot of speculation. I pretty much am this is how I look at these things. She's there. Let's just see the job she does and let's let the work that she does speak for itself, not all the speculation of the other questions. What's your thought on that? I do diversity. Diversity to me has a wide definition. There is the obviously diversity, and what people look like, there's diversity, and how people think is diversity, and how people act as diversity of thought, and I think that's a diversity that throughout our society right now we're missing. We don't want to have a lot of diversity of thought, a lot of people who think like us, and that's, you know, where facebook and social media have come in and and I think underscored the fact that we may not really want to have a lot of conversation, we may not want to entertain thoughts that are different from ours for whatever reason, discomfort. Other people may be right, we may be wrong for whatever reason. But diversity to me is this. There's a wide range. Diversity is diverse or and that's how about that for a traite? You know, she left law enforcement in two thousand and nine. That's again it will I don't know. I don't know if that is a long time and law enforcement or not. Not a law enforcement experts. So I don't know what has changed in the eleven years, if there's been a revolution in law enforcement or if you could have left law enforcement in nineteen. Some people could argue UFL enforcement in nineteen fifty and went in...

...into two thousand and twenty and it's the same thing. Some people see that as a problem that they've been doing the same thing the same way. So that distance may not be that much. She's been involved in in other other aspects, though that touched law enforcement. Run she was not serving in a police department, being involved in she was involved in writing code of conduct for the school district to reduce suspensions. So people, you know, if you want to look at is another cliche for a Monday afternoon. Just shows her where the brain is today. You know, upstream solutions. That's that's one of them. Let's let's do what we can to keep kids in class and keep kids in school so they can learn and they're not missing out which could lead to some problems further along in their life. So she has looked at other ways to find solutions for the problem of public safety, to the issue of public safety, look at other ways that we can ensure public safety. So while people talk about reimagining policing, I would think that's a good it's those are good experiences to bring to that and I kind of was going to go there too, shoot, because she does have twenty years of police work under her belt, as well as work in the community, as you just talked about, and I think that's what here looking for. People want people who are familiar with how low and enforcement works, but also are doing other things that try to make the community better than just being the hardcore police that you police thing that you think about just the arresting and put people in jail. That there. They want to see if you have other tactics that are less violent, with less violent outcomes and more trying to stop the problem itself. And I think just to just I gu said, on the surface, will see as this plays out, but on the surface at also she has a little bit of both. She has that she has the aspect of policing because she's done it for twenty years, and she has the aspect of working in the community to try to make things better for everyone before before you even get to that point of where you need to be arrested or or punished for for violating law. So I think that, I guess said, on the surface it's a good look on the surface, but we'll see what happens as far as things go in the future. That's kind of get just that's my viewpoint on this and I agree that. I think that it's she's been in both world that I I think it's like everything else. Not when you if you're going to bring in somebody to do radio work, you want somebody who has some experience with it because you don't want to feel that they don't know anything. Right, starting point zero, right, right. So familiarity need to the street credibility. Yes, I've I've done this and familiar with it. I'm not completely, you know, a rookie or completely outsider was going to come in and change everything. So need to to bring in people and then those people need to be in a way that they try to bring folks defenses down to people aren't looking to say they're not looking for the problems right away right it sent. So she's been in the community. So people who protesting know her, because she said it at when she had trouble her small whose conference afterwards, that a lot of the people who from protesting are her friends, that she knows them. So they have seen her, you know, church or wherever else in the community, so they know that side of her. As a American society right now, I don't know that we really want to reach middle ground and so I would hope, as a resident of the city, there is not resistance to her, as it sounds to me like she wants to find middle ground and I hope people who are entrenched in there on their sides won't fight back because I that's negotiation. So try to have yeah, I agree with that too, that that's a lot of my...

...fear is because of all the heat that they're a little reward is pacing right now, that pretty much any decision that she makes whatsoever is going to be looked at with with harsh eyes right now because the fact that there's a there's a call for her to resign, and so I didn't she does, any decisions that she makes as far as law enforcement's going to be scrutinized heavily and I just hope that people would regardless of how you feel about Mary Lowi Warren, whether your supporter or you're against, that's not what I'm trying to decipher. I don't lie. I'm not trying to change your pigeon, your opinion on how you feel about her. All I'm trying to say is give the person who was hired to do the job a chance to do the job first, before you say no, this is a bad choice. She's been hired to do this. Let's just shoot this is see what she does first and if she's doing things there are moving us in there, like you said, in the right direction, so we can all kind of come somewhere to agree, in some sort of middle ground then and I would say she's doing a good job, but again, we're not going to we're not going to know that yet. She just got hired, so we're going to have to wait and see. We have to give her a time to show us what she's going to do. And you know the interim appointment is for a year. Right. Well, there was talk that they wanted to have a chief, sort of a nothing's permanent, but a permanent chief in place to fit cities budget year is July. Starts July first. So it's unlikely anybody knew would come in before July first. I mean that would surprise me simply from a budgeting standpoint. Now sit to Harriet's Aliman. His head not ruled out the fact that she would want to apply for the job permanently. Right, but if she doesn't, she has a year. She's what? Well, what? Okay, I'm bad at maths. So seven what? Nine months to a year what we're talking about? I asked her what can be accomplished in a year and she said quite a bit. You can look at command structure, you can look at making sure you have the right people in the right positions to do the job. Apparently, from the news release it from this promotion of Moses Robinson. There's going to be a new team on the command staff that will look at community engagement and violence reduction. You don't know what role that is going to play yet, but this year can go by awfully quickly and nothing happened if people just want to stay entrenched and they and they and they want a fighter for whatever reason. You know, if nobody gets everything they want in this life. And I said before, what we've lost the art of negotiation. We lost the ability to to put some of what to put ourselves aside and put what's best forward, and I'm hopeful that that's what she will do. You know, I go back to baseball a lot because it was a really the first thing I covered. And often, you know, managers we get fired, the players manage, we get fired. They bring a disciplinarian disciplinary in the last two or three seasons who's the clubhouse and the players manager? You know, they hire a new guy who always a players manager. That would work away, but you keep needing different skills at different times. I'm not saying she's a players manager in a sense of not making it now you, but saying that there's appears to be a skill set here that will bring people together right and, as you said, Matt, let's see if that happens. Yep, that's and that's all we can do. We have to wait and see what happens there. Quick mention of a couple other things that I want to get in today. The shift, of course, of the protests that changed a little bit before this shift was for Daniel prude. That is kind of subsided for now. That will the protests having a side subsided, but the focus on prude is as subsided because of the fact of what has happened in the shake up with the Rochester Police...

Department. But there's still there, still our protests because obviously there was that announcement of the decision against the officers on Brianna Taylor. So there are protests in regards to that. The ones here haven't gone terribly, it can comparison to the ones that are happening out in Kentucky at everywhere else, but they are. That is what the protest has happened which is going on now. That's what those are happening going on for. I don't know. I guess I could. I guess I'm want to say I don't know what's going to make that subside, because I don't think anything. I don't and unfortunately for everyone, whether what at whatever side you're on, I don't believe there's going to be any change in the outcome of the criminal case. I think that's pretty much what we're going to get. So there is the there is a suit where she got the twelve million when that she the family got the twelve million, and there was the criminal case where only one officer was charged, but not for not for the murder, for the for the firing of that of the weapon. And I think that's pretty much word this is going to be. So I don't know what we're going to hope to achieve now, because I don't think any going to be overturned with what's your thought on that? Well, I guess I look at what's going to happen here. The Attorney General has an investigation into the three officers involvement with Daniel proved. What is the local I think, I think the State Attorney General is superseding anything that the local district attorney would do. But what happens? What happens if they these three officers, are not indicted from murder, they're indicted for something else? Were not indicted at all. Right, but happens locally here. So I was thinking about this the other day on my walk and just seeing the signs, and we call this, you know, thinking about justice for Daniel proved and what is justice, and then watching the ceremonies for justice. We'll be be GINSBURG and one the people were saying about her and what is what is justice? Is Justice Revenge? I mean the old biblical justice of an eye for an eye was revenge and settling the score. But where does punishment and where does revenge come in when we have a discussion about justice? Yeah, that's actually actually very good point, by the way, speaker of that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the ceremonies, when I saw her trainer do the pushups, I thought about you, by the way. Just want this what to say that. But but yes, you are, you're right, because that's actually a good angle that you that you brought up, because I didn't really think about that. Because you're right, we could be foreshadowing what's going to happen here when the criminal check car charges, the criminal case here for the officers of Alved in Daniel Prud's case is decided. We could have we could see the same results here, obviously, as what's been happening in Kentucky and the other places out there to me. So this is this is my opinion and we'll get into that. The covid stuff too. Obviously, if you think a crime is committed, you want to see people be punished for it. Long Term Justice. My opinion, though, is the restructuring of maybe the medical field and and and the police apartment, because I think, again, I think we talked about this before, I think there was error on both sides there. I think there was error with that. How the hospital handle it, handle it. I think there's are how the police handle it and I even think there was are on when the eant showed up, how they handle everything. So I think there's everything's going to be looked at.

As as far as when you're dealing with someone who is mentally not well and how you're how the approach should be to to calm them down and to, you know, get them to cooperate or to even even take them in, there's got to be there be discussions on how to properly do that. I unfortunately saw another video, not not that, not an African American person by the way, but there was a mother called a I can't remember where it was, so I'm not going to go into detail about it, but it was some of the part of the country where a mother called law enforcement to help out her. I believe it was fourteen year old autistic child. He was having an episode and he was unarmed as well, and he was just like going, you know, kind of having a mental episode and the police officer shot him to you know he was. He was shot and luckily he's he didn't die, he's recovering, but he was shot a few times. So I think that's the that's the the issue there. I don't even know if it's a race thing when it comes to mental health. I just think is people get nerve miss when they see someone having a mental episode and I think trying to detain them. Sometimes your reaction is this got this person's in stable. I have you would ever have to do. But if it's, you know, in the case words, especially when it's at thirteenyear old fortuneal kid who was unarmed, shooting that person, I don't believe it's necessary. We got it. We got to rethink how we are going to approach people who are having mental episodes. I think that's a long term goal of my opinion. Right. So two things there. We will be on learning decades of how we we as a culture society, if you think of treat people who were different from us with, with, and it's getting over, you know, thoughts, of beliefs, values that we put on somebody who may have emotional struggles. So, yeah, we we have to unlearn all that before we can learn something else. So I want to go back to what you said a little bit earlier. So if there is, go back to the local case. Yeah, if if there is no indictment or murder for these reofficers and say there's no indictment on anything, all right, it was just go to that. will go to that part of it. Based on what you said about changing systems, can there still be justice for Danuel proved with no indictment? That's a good question and I believe the answer is going to vary dependent on who you ask. So if there are people who is the old whose thought process is the only justice that you can get for Daniel prude is to have officers arrested, then the answer for that is going to be their gestures was not found. However, in my opinion, again, this is just again, I when I speak, I speak on might be opinion. Everyone's gonna have. There a different one. There was a there's a been this whole push right about the fund the police, abolish the police, restructure the police, all that. So, in my opinion, isn't that really the bigger picture? Don't we don't we need to make changes to avoid this from happening again? That, to me, is the overall goal. I don't know what's going to happen to the police officers and I well, we're going to have to see. But what we can try to do, what we can controls, because we're we're not really going to be able to the jury and really they're pretty much going to make that decision. We Really, we really have no control over that. But what we can control was what happens going forward, and I think that's we need to put our energy into that, because we because that, because there is definitely a need to be to have that change. People who are mentally ill and who are, I having episodes. I don't want a person who was a family...

...member, a father and mother, sister, brother, who is worried about them and calls somebody to help them to worry that the person that they called to help them is going to kill them. So you don't want that. That should never be your thought process of if you have a person your family is going through that mental episode and you want to help them, I don't want that person to be afraid to call for help because I you know what, if I even last last times I've checked, when people call for help there are the persons of dead that that should not be what happens in the future. We need to make sure that that is what's change agreed. But the same time, if there are people who will equate justice with revenge and justice with punishment, my concern is that if there is not an indictment, individuals who believe that that justice, revenge and punishment are synonymous will not be happy. It will not take that long range view of justice is not necessarily revenge or punishment. Justice is, as you said, Matt, changing the system so that this doesn't happen to anybody else, and it's unfortunate that it had to happen to anybody and still is happening to people in the account that you just said of the of the child still going on. So we need justice that make sure that this does not happen to anybody else. Yes, see you. This is where you and I once again we whould we do a lot agree on. That's the long term goal. I hope people understand it, because you're right. You're absolutely right. There are going to people who are going to the their only site of justice is going to be what happens these police officers, police officers, and if it doesn't go the way they want, they're going to they're not going to see justice. And my see and my thought processes, it doesn't matter what happens to the police officers. And they hear me. Yet when I say this, I'm not trying to, you know, make this a light thing. I'm just saying. So let's say the police officers get in dieted, all of them, and say all of the get in Diet for murder and there's going to serve twenty years in prison, but nothing in the system changes. So great, you got these are these officers arrested, but the next week another mentally handycapped person gets killed. What do we accomplish? You got revenge, but that's about it. Yeah, exactly. Can get revenge right, all will be revenge and punishment and the end as as Cynthia Harriets all and said the other day, you need to look at what what is causing these problems and if we're not gettations about that, you're really not going anywhere. And that's and this is why you and I do this show, because you gotta do you have the information and now you have to have the understanding. You have to understand what is your real goal, what is your long term, real end game? Here? Is Your End Game? Really? These cops need to be arrested and if that happens, we're happy, because that should not be your end game. If that is your end game, there's a chance you're not going to be happy, number one. Or if you are happy, things don't change, they still you're still not going to be happy. So you got so you so you have to look at the long term goal. My focus, more or is how do we stop this from happening again? There are ways to do it without having them, having them hurt you or themselves, and you just got to find out what that is. You can't always the answers, not always pulling the gun. That can't. That can't always be the answers all. There's other things that you can do before you get to that, to that place. But let me ask you this. So there are, there are, there are health professionals, as well as allied health professionals, who were to do with people who are having emotional disturbances. But what about and we're going to demand more of them, and that will they will cross over into how they cope with law how they deal with law enforcement, how most professionals works of law enforcement professionals. But I guess I would say, if we're going to change the system, what is our as an individual? If you're walking down the street and somebody who's appears to be in some kind of distress, you witness that, whether the person encounters you...

...directly, speaks to you or you just see it. What is your reaction to that? And if you and why should you demand other people have a different reaction than your reaction to it? If you are supposed, if you cross the street, if you make a comment, you know Tom Avasano has worked for years to not have the R word said. Yes, we develop disable, but but if you use that word and if you mock somebody having some sort of episode, why, why should you demand that somebody, that our systems act differently than you act. That's not to me, that's not justice. That that's the oldest statement in the book. The person that you always going to change first is the man or woman in the mirror. That's always a person that you that you're going to look at first before you look at anybody else. You're right if you're, if you're sitting there demanding things of people, but you're not. You know, I talked to someone and again we got we got to get into the covid in just a minute, but I talked to somebody who was talking about okay, you know, hate saying things like this because it makes me look like I don't I'm diminishing the situation, but I'm not. I just trying to make sure that I put everything on the table for everyone's understand yes, you want to avoid the encounters with the police violence and yes, the if police brutality or violence happens, that should be dealt with accordingly, but at the same time we have look at ourselves. Right, if we're putting ourselves in situations that bring that kind of environment or people to your door, whether or not what happens to you involve in the cops, is justified or not, you wouldn't sometimes be in that position if you didn't put yourself in that place in the first place. So the best way to avoid and again, I'm not saying that that makes anything that anyone's done right, because it doesn't. But but what I'm all I'm saying is the first person that you got to look at always is yourself. Are you doing everything possible that to keep yourself from those situations in the first place and start there and then if things happen after that, then you can look at blaming other people as well. The first person you have look at. Okay, if what am I doing? Am I doing things that are bringing the wrong environment to my door? Can I change that? That? Does that make sense, patty? It doesn't. Some and I mean that was when, if things are truly if you're subscribing to the fact that everything truly is your choice and there's true free will, there's an often there's a lot of the discussions not right. What's what's? There's a but the determinism here for and and the situation that happening with people who are having emotional disturbances is not in necessarily in their control as how other people act. I guess my the point I was making was that if you are if you were calling a people who are different from you the other and they should be treated in a different way, and we'll talk about, you know, ment illness, if you're incredibly uncomfortable and you cross the street and you dehumanize a person who is having some kind of struggle, then I guess my point is if you're dehumanizing them but you say the police shouldn't do that, well, that to me is inconsistent. Sure, no, I'm Har we talked about my definition of justice has is wanting for others the right to claim for yourself. So if I want to be treated in a way that is respectful of my entire experience, I've got to try to extend that to somebody else. Absolutely hundred just life, hundred percent agree, hundre percent agree. I certainly do and I, like I said, I hope that we're we will begin to see changes in that aspect. And you know, I still keep thoughts for everyone, Daniel prude and that little and that child and my head about.

I always feel sad when people who don't know what's going on in their own head and in situation like that, because you know, like you said, unfortunately it is UN controlable for some of them sometimes that they don't they don't know what they're doing. They're having an episode there, even in a different place in their own mind. So they don't know what's going on and it's sad to see that. Sometimes it ends result, the result is the end of your life because of that, and I really hope that we could try to avoid that in the future. All right, let's let's move into the the COVID I know we're running short before I go to break. So, as I'm sure you've seen, Patty, more more schools are now switching to strictly online learning. You got learn at home due to spikes in corona, surprised, more specks of colleges again, surprise, college kids, not social distancing. I know everyone's shocked, right. You would think that a kid at a college would just stay away from the college kids and that drink from the same cup or do whatever they do there. But guess what, they don't college, because that college kids and that we're going to see this continue to happen. And I know we gave I'm not trying to make light of it again. I know something. I'm joking, but I said we both had that. Probably around August. Are, sorry, October as when we start seeing the spikes and it's already beginning to happen. GENESEO is after Thanksgiving. There they're going to go fully to online learning because another positive case, I think it was an actual staff member actually had positive case and geneseol. So they're doing that. I know the school that I go to has before the ending even happened. I think they're already going to online learning after thanks getting. anyways. High schools, a few, a couple more, announced that they're going to online learning because of the cases. Sports teams, leagues are being shut down because of COVID. So it is happening and again I don't think I'm shocked. I don't think you're shocked either, Patty. You know a lot of colleges had said they were going to do they're going to go to online after Thanksgiving anyway. Right, right, that's true, because there's only usually a couple more weeks and then there's exams and there's those like people back so that if they're going earlier, that's kind of a surprise. I think we may have had this conversation before. I am against sports starting for schools. M We did. We talked about the conversation the other day with somebody from the city Rac I was walking by the rank and I saw hackey people coming out and when, and I said, what's going on all that? You can have practice and and I said I'm I'm against that in the person. CIT WHY? And I said because not everybody is fully back in person. And because of that, why are sports more important than the drama club in the math team, in the debate club and the chess club and the end arts in the school production and band? So No, if you can't do all student activities. To me, and I again I grew up in sports. So sure, five and sixteen or seventeen I may feel different than my friends who were in the math club when I was in high school, but from from my perspective now, is the old lady on the show. No, if you can't do everything, then nothing. You know, kids can still go play feel hockey on their own. They can still be active on their own. The County Health Commissioner, Dr Michael Mendos, I had a news conference the other day in which I asked and I said what do you how do you feel about sports and potential spread of this? Oh, you know, we need to ever sports back and people. It's part of the fall in the culture and we can do it safely. And you know, I there was not a one on one conversation. Had A been a oneone conversation, I would have said I have to disagree with you. And but what about all the kids who are in in school? Sports is kind of a reward in a sense, and so your reward in some...

...students and not rewarding others who done nothing wrong. I. Just because they have an indoor activity and school can't meet indoors. They're suffering. To me again, I don't have kids in school, so I don't know what's happening. If the mass team is meeting virtually or not. They may very well be. I don't know that. So I'm operating from the assumption, which is a bad word, but that there's nothing really happening with some of these more in school types of activities because of that. Yeah, yeah, with school district. Know when I can do sports. We're not. We're not in school, we can't do sports. I agree with that. And you know, I don't understand that soccer and field hockey are low risk sports. Maybe because they're outdoors, but I you see people go up for headers, slide tackles. Yeah, Field Hockey Ball, there is a lot of close contact where people and people are reading heavily right. There's a lot of expelling of oxygen and droplets. I just don't think it's necessary right now, don't you see? I I laugh because you're right. I think, if both of us, cause I played sports when I was in school too. I think both of us. If you go back to that kid who was in school, you like no, sports is everything, but you're right, now that I'm the old man on the show, that you're right. You have to look at everything. You can't just look at at an aspect. You're right that some kids drama club, Math Club, the chess club, whatever, whatever club is as important to them as the sports are as important to those kids. So you're right. It's not fair to the not let those kids meet on campus or or in school to do their thing. But you do allow kid at school, athletes or student athletes to do that. So you can't. It's it's you're right. It's either everybody or no one. I am a hundred percent on board with that. If you're going to do it, do it for everybody. If you're not going to do it, don't do it for everybody. It shouldn't be right. There's no there should be no no, there should be no difference in that sense. I mean these are all school sponsored activities. I mean a lot of students already think that sports gets special treatment anyway. Right. I think this is this is more to that. And, like I said, if your soccer player and can't play your activity to the fullest extent, will imagine what a musician is going through right now. To yeah, absolutely, before we go to our break, Patty, what's your what's are over under on us being in a studio together again soon? Define soon? Would you say in the next six months? I mean, I that is something. I think that's up to up to corporate America in a sense. We would not have a problem with that, right. If there's two of us in the studio, Yep, there's sixty two space. That to me is not an issue. That's a decision that that somebody is going to make for whatever reason they're going to make it. I don't have a I would not see that as a hid risk activity, to be honest with you. All right, I'll go yell at management for you then so I can get your back in here. Patty, it's always a pleasure to make sure you check out the minority reporter dotnet. You get the full versions of the headline news that Patty talked about earlier in the show. In the show started, you get those full stories so you can be fully informed by going to the website and also, like I said before, there will be an option for you to subscribe to the minority reporter and again, if you if you do want to continuously get updates from a local journalism that have stories that matter to you, that's an option you should consider. Patti, thank you so much. Always appreciate you. Definitely Matt...

...thing and I'm going to make some phone calls and aage right now before I let a break. Let's going to take a break. We'll be right back. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to you inside the margins. Okay, some final thoughts. So this November is election time and we will be voting for local, state and national officials. Now, the reason why I bring this up is because I was talking to someone recently weapons be in Africanamerican Mail, and he said that he's not going to vote because our vote doesn't matter, because it's a white person's game. Blah, blah, blah, Blah Blah. Listen, if you are one of these people that thinks voting doesn't matter, that thinks is just we the deck is so stacked against us that it doesn't matter that we vote, that is not true. In fact, if African Americans voted, some of these elections over the past years could have result differently. Yes, the electoral college is what is used to elect your president, but the popular vote wins the electoral the Electoral College votes for your state. So the popular vote still does matter. So you have to vote. And again, it's not just a national vote any ways, your local and state officials. You're the ones, we are the ones that put those people in office. So we got to vote. You have to vote. If you don't vote, you're not putting people who have your best interest in mind. You don't have you're not putting people in office who are going to advance the wellbeing of your families, your communities. We can know, we can't expect to whinever we vote, but if we don't vote, we lose. It's not a that loss. If you don't vote, don't forget. We fought so hard to get the right to vote, and that was in the s when we got it, but it still didn't work out. In one thousand nine hundred and sixty five it was redone so we could actually vote and the voting that was a that will that we're allowed to do. Now it's running the wrongs somewhat, of slavery, of the Jim Crow Laws, discrimination. Discrimination is still going to be there. It's never going to stop. But if you don't vote, you decided to give back the piece of the pilot we fought for, the American dream that we fight for, the spoils, the tax dollars that we work so hard to obtain. So if you want the money that you're being tax for would be put to use two things that you want to be effective in your community, then you have to vote for the people who are going to put forth the initiative that you want. So this November, please, I urge you, get out there and let your voice be heard. I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, but I am going to tell you to vote. Thanks for listening, Mrs Matt I'll see you next time on inside the money. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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