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The PAB and Earnest Flagler Mitchell

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Latest news on Monroe County Legislature Earnest Flagler Mitchell, The Police Accountability Board, and Covid. 

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Wello, and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. Another week in his passed and violence continues to escalate in the city of Rochester. Another shooting involving a team happened. Believe they're the teenager was pronounced that and it's tough to continue to hear these stories and we will talk about that. Also, some information about the police accountability board and what they can do with in regards to disciplining cops and police officers. We're talking about that as well, and also covid. Looks like we're almost at the point of where we don't have to have any restrictions here in New York. I know the number, the magic number, with seventy percent vaccination rate, and we are tinkering right on that, that that level. So we'll talk about that and more but before we get into any of those topics, let's bring in my ray of sunshine. It's the minority reporters, petty singer. Hello, and good afternoon to you, Patty. Oh my gosh, Matt, and means I have to be cheery. Some come sometimes and that femuth to my personality. I'm always cheery. You are Chere, you are Chu Right. I know sometimes the news we talked about isn't the most cheerful, but yes, true, we try to beat as here as possible. So, Patty, there's a bunch of things that have been happening in the city. Really, and why is this week different from any other week? It seems like we never have a slow news week here now. Yeah, so why don't we go and jump right into this one? Because this is all over the news, the latest happenings with Ernest flaggler Mitchell. Apparently, Republican and Democrats are both calling to have him stepped down amongst the allegations that continue to come forward, I mean and in regards to what he's been doing. What's the story that you've heard on that, patty? Well, I mean they're they're allegations at this point. Obviously they were. You know, the Ethics Board did investigate, did look into. The Mineru County Board of ethics did look into, you know, one claim that was brought to the district attorney. You know, the person named macaya Sinclair brought her complaint. You know, gave evidence to the to Theda was part of the ethics for well, we back up. The Ethics Board use the day's report in it's, you know, in its investigation, for it's findings. Other women you didn't want to be as active in an investigation as missing Claire was. So there are. They didn't want to come forward. So very the DA did not have the said didn't have the evidence for that anything was criminal. Right, right, for Ernest flag within Mitchell, the ethics board did say that he violated county ethics. The Democrat early on were calling for him to resign. In a statement that the Republicans sent out late last week they had said they had worked behind the scenes to try to get him to resign. Right and they after the most recent allegation of woman who said that she had an uncomfortable encounter with him in the art and the office at thirty nine West Main Street, the Republicans then came out and said that they publicly wanted called for...

...him to resign. Right, yeah, but I was here that too. And regarding earnest factor Bitcher, that she had a statement. Is that? Is that correct? Right? So they came out with a statement on Thursday. This was the so the some of the members of the Democrats in the in the legislature and some candidates, some women running for legislative democratic women running for the legislature, held a news conference Thursday morning brought to light the most recent allegation. Later Thursday the Republicans had a had a statement. And so in the allegation the most recent accuser said that she alleged that he the encounter in comfortable and uncomfortable encounter occurred in Flagra Mitchell's office in the county office building. HMM, okay, it was uncomfortable encounter for her there. So the this is what the Dr Joe Carbone was president of the legislature, Steve Brew, who is the Republican my majority leader, and Republican members of the Monroe County legislature. So on June tenth they called for the reggae resignation of Monroe County legislator Ernest flag with Mitchell quoting. We worked behind the scenes to encourage legislator flag with Mitchell to resign in an effort to not further politicize the accounts of the brave individuals who came forward in this matter. After being unsuccessful in our tempts, we today publicly. We are today publicly calling from his resignation. Sexual harassment of any form should not be tolerated. These most recent allegations involving this conduct on county property are especially troubling and warrant resignation. Hm, Republican legislators only became aware of this most recent complaint and the District Attorney's report yesterday, which would have been June ninth. Okay, and despite the advice of legal council, are today publicly calling for the resignation of legislator flag were Mitchell. So, having heard that, having observed some county legislature meetings where the Democratic Caucus has tried to get the ethics off the table right that things, proposed ethics go off the table to be discussed. The last, the most recent meeting, they tried to get a censure past and that was they couldn't get that off the table that was voted yes, right, they couldn't even get they could even get hurt on that. What interet? Well, pat before you continue, can you tell our audience what censure means? I know some people don't understand. I'm not. You know censure is a censure? Is Is it doesn't? I don't you know, and I'll be honest with you, I don't know if it has any, if it has any really punishment to it other than we're censuring you, right, you know it. Granted the allegations, but we're censuring you. Yep, it's just it's just saying that we condemn what you've done. It's that. Yes, there's no condemn these allegations. This is not how you know, we want business conducted exactly here. This is this is not, you know, what's going on here, kind of thing. What's what's happening? We need to write, this needs to be addressed, things like that. Right. So they what struck me of this statement is the most recent allegations involved having this conduct on county property, are specially troubling and warrant resignation. So, in though, the letter, a letter from the county attorney to Dr Carbone in his role as the president of the legislature seems to indicate that this could have exposed the county to legal put them in legal trouble. So I guess, as...

...a woman listening, having heard the Democrats earlier say, you know, if this was any other workplace, it wouldn't be tolerated, I would like to think that, having been in workplaces you are some sure behavior was tolerated, I would like to think this behavior such as this would not have been tolerated. I don't know about that and I think many people listening would probably say the same thing. But it just strikes me that the way I read this is, Oh, until it happened on county property. Now now it's an issue. Now this has your attention. Right now, these allegations have your attention right to one of your colleagues who has been accused of acting inappropriately. Just now. You're concerned. Yeah, I'd be, because it opens you to potential legal problems. That's what that's what struck me about reading this. Yeah, I'm with you a hundred percent on that. That's that's exactly what it seems like. So correct me if I'm wrong here. But what I heard, what I would came to understand is that it happened there and also that he was using the again, it's these allegations I've heard. I could be hearing these incorrectly, but that he was using his power to ask for favors and return for him to assist others as well, that one of the allegations was that some lady, that a lady, was having some issues and she came to him for help, and the allegation was that he offered to help her. If he off if he would, she would, you know, do favors for him that were inappropriate, and that was one of the allegations that I heard. So that allegation and also where it happened kind of flag this as, if you will, as the potential legal issues, and that that's when it became elevated and before it wasn't, because it wasn't involving work. I guess per se, it wasn't as elevated, and that's that's exactly kind of how I've interpreted as well well, in the complaint from the the most recent woman to accuse, the complaint says that in October two thousand and twenty, that Flago Mitchell told me to come to his office and thirty nine West Main Street to discuss having my children returned to me. Apparently this was a case with child protects. Exactly correct. So the woman writes that she was driven to to the office by a friend who waited outside. She the complaint says that while inside his office, he closed the door and began sexually speaking the woman. The allegation says that he asked what, I have sex with him? I told him no. There's a word it's hard to to read in the in the way the complaint is. It's her handwriting, so it's a little defice to read. Sure something like he never it sounds hard to read the word. What he's what he said he would the return of my children. So yeah, you can. I think that's the she goes for some help with a CPS case. Right. The allegation is, you know, he he changes the tenor of the conversation and she's left a little wondering of what's going to happen with her child and Stuf with the case that she came right exactly something I don't ask him for. I think you broke it down better than I did. So that that that pretty much is exactly that kind of what I read to and it has it hits and again...

...it's not saying that that was the case, but it hands towards if you want my help, you're going to have to do a favor for me first. Youf I have to consider looking at this case kind of that's kind of the narrative that you get. I don't know if the exact that was a narrative, if you just change the tone completely, but that's kind of the narrative, sort of like if you can't help me out, I can't help you out type thing. Well, I mean again, this is the complaces what she's saying in the complaint right. Don't know. I know he is. He has said he he's not. A statement Friday saying that you denied the allegations and then or another statement he was temporarily stepping down as the leader of the Black and Asian Caucus. Yes, but you know, so he's he is denied the allegations and, you know, absent the whole thing coming into, I guess, court and and having, you know, evidence supplied. We have what each person is saying. Right. Happen and we're still at a point where there's and I make making sure I'm running this too, that nothing criminal has happened well this time. So right, okay. So I asked that question at the news conference. It was Thursday morning that the Democrats tell they said, well, and I don't remember exactly how I phrase it, was something along the lines as well. I mean, the DA didn't find anything criminal here. What? And then, and I don't remember if I got this sort of the second half of the question out, but legislative barnheart clarify and said the DEA. According to Legislater Barnhart, the DA was not able to build a case. Gotcha. So that is like again, this is just me saying this. This is why in court, when when you know in the media, you report if someone is accused of something in the jury finds them not guilty. The jury found them not guilty. So if you can't build the K you know, I mean it just there's we're yeah, we're parsing some words here. I don't know. I'm not in in these situation. I don't know. All I know is what I have read from a verifiable complaint from the State Division of Human Rights, from what Miss Sinclair has said, YEP, which was deemed to be credible, because the Monroe County Board of Ethics said that the legislator violated the code of ethics. Right, right. So, until you know, and then than that we in this is seeing, this is this is what I don't like is that it takes attention. It's taking a lot of energy in a lot of air in the room and situations where this county needs a lot of work right now. Yeah, this is not what we should be fans and where and we're playing. We have some people saying, Oh, the ethics investigation was political. It's Lias where you know where and where where stuck in these diversions away from what needs to be the business of the people. I agree with you totally this and the situation that's happening with the Mare. The maryl race is still in the mail races, which is great, but all the things that are kind of not specified to helping the needs of the people of the city kind of more of looking into allegations of wrongdoing of of people who hold power. That's that takes completely the focus away from what we need to be focused and I totally agree with you on that. Yeah, all right. Well, obviously there's gonna be more to come on this. So we'll obviously, when we get information, a more information as to what's going on, will report it as we can. We're going to take a quick break and before we go to break, though, I want to make sure I mention the minority reporter does a great job covering anything. The minority reporters has been covering and will continue to cover the mayor the mayoral race as well, doing a great job on that, by the way, and they're also great with bringing these stories that are most important to you in your community. So I suggest, on my suggestion, why don't you go ahead and go to...

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I don't know that they fully understood the level of the accountability and the legal morass that that was going to put everybody in. Right. So, according according to this a pell with decision, local law number two vests or gives the PAB exclusive authority to conduct disciplinary hearings or police officers accused of misconduct and to decide whether the accused officer is guilty. The complainant, not the acute but not the accused officer, is granted a right to appeal certain rulings by a PAB panel to the full board. So the complainant, I I feel aggrieved by the police, I bring a complaint. The Way I'm reading this, I don't like what the PAB paneled says, I can appeal it, but the officer I've accused cannot. That for it's a problem. Okay, if the PAB conviction officer of misconduct, it imposes punishment. The chief of police is explicitly obligated by local on number two to execute PABES decreed discipline without reduction or reprieve. The only discretion retained by the police chief would be to impose additional punishment. So this is what this is what it did. So there's no dispute that the police discipline process created by the local law was never subject to collective bargaining and it is irreconcilable with the police discipline process set forth in the governing collective bargaining agreement. Oh, so this started. The Police Union started the suit we've been through. We had judge John Arc say, yeah, this is does it's an issue here with with this police discipline. He ruled in favor of the Union. He also suggested that the law should go back and be redone. This a pellet. Court says no, they're not sure why he said that. So the kind of threw that out there. Sure. And so what we're left with is answering the questions of Skay. What becomes of the PAB? And on Tuesday night they were in Lyne to get five million. How is of our tax money to do investigations and other work. So my guess is here we are on Monday afternoon, things could be changing as as we're speaking. Yea, you know there's going to be more, there's going to be information coming out on this, because that's my question is okay. So is the PAB now sort of the Civilian Review Board that we've had over over time? Is it going to be any different if they were hanging their hand on discipline powers and that's taken away now and that really is taken away? And so again, sorry, Dad, I didn't go to law school with the journalism school. I don't know what the next recourse of this is. I mean, did they say we're going to Supreme Court? I don't know. Yeah, no, that's a great question, and it even if they do. Okay, that's more taxpayer money, that's a longer period of time and again, all right, I was thinking about this this morning, the other morning. What do we want and need in Rochester? We want to look at our public safety. Yes, we want everybody to feel safe, whether they're just walking down every week, right, whether they have an encounter with law enforcement, whether they're sitting in their home, right, we want people to be safe. If the PAB doesn't, can't discipline police officers, how else can it work toward that goal...

...of public safety, not a goal of punishing police. Now, the way, the way I look at this is there was our goal was we are gonna we're going to hold those bad cops accountable. Well, yes, they should be, and my bad accountant should also lose his or her license right because they, you know, got me in trouble with the IRS. Kind of sure. Yes, accountability across the board. Yes, accountability isn't always punishment, is it? There's always I don't know. I just got the sense that there was a vindictiveness here, not trying to promote public safety. So how can we? How can we use everything we've got? We've got the person in crisis team, we've got the Police Accountability Board, we have all kinds of stuff that we're working on. How do we use that to promote public safety? And if we promote public safety, do we have less need for punishment and they vindictiveness? Yep, I well, we I don't. We've talked about this before, by the way. Your fine journalists don't worry about not going to medical school. I and Law School, Medical School, yeah, yeah, all those technicals. Yes, I know, yeah, you're good, your fine journalists, but anyways, no, I agree with you. I think we've always said this, that the overall goal is to have the for a lack of a better phrase, to come together moment where we all kind of come together to try to make everyone feel safe, but everyone who's doing bad things accountable. Right, we want the we want the people who are committing all the violent crimes that are happening Rochester to be held accountable for that, and we also want the police officers who are overstepping in their job description to also be held accountable, kindable we don't want to just punish everyone. We don't want civilians who aren't doing things wrong being punished by police, and we don't want police who are not doing anything wrong being punished by the community. We want everyone to be accountable for the actions that they're doing. That's kind of the theme that we've had on this show for I don't know how long. That's kind of what we've always been talking about and I agree with you. I think what happens sometimes, and I believe that this has happened, and you can, you know, give me your opinion this too, is that when we see something bad happen, when we see someone we believed has been treated unfairly or as has been done wrong or there's been an injustice, and we felt this way for a while, that this has been a problem with a lot of people for a long period of time, not only for some of us, we just want the injustice to stop. We don't want we don't want to to beat up everyone who's been involved with it. We just want the injustice to stop. But for some other people, not only do they want the injustice to stop, they want everyone who who they believe was involved or had some sort of involvement in it to be punished for it. You know, if you stole a bag of ships, you shouldn't be beating profusely outside of the store for that. No, I think you you know what's justice, the right. So let's think about we want justice. What is what is justice? Justice to in my definition of justice, is not revenge. Yes, so we've got it. We've got it. Some discussions about what how we view justice and how we view punishment, how we view rehabilitation? Right, you know how we view making amends? Is there, if they're okay, if there is restorative justice for people who are accused of crimes, if if someone, if someone in law enforcement, is found to have violated their oath, their ethics, their public trust, is their rehabilitation for that person? Rehabilitation isn't just for someone...

...accused of a civilian accused of a crime, right, right, are accused of misbehavior or ill behavior. So I think you, and to me, this is a hard part of being consistent and what we want, if if we want something for people who have been victims of crimes and bad behavior, whether those those that bad behavior has been from a police officer or from a civilian, if we if we want a certain justice for them, then do we need for the person who committed that transgression have to apply the same to them? Right? I mean, I just you have to be consistent. Yeah, in the consistency is where it gets messy. I agree, I think. I think all, even though I know we disagree with some things, I think the overall agreement we are we are on the same page as that. Yes, police policing does need to be rethought. There should be a rethinking of how we do it because, especially with mental health issues and now people feel and not every not every situation, should be looked at the same. You don't need to tackle every single person down to the ground for what they're doing. Some some, some criminals are doing some bad things and people are in need of that, for help. We have to look at things that way. But again, we should not also be going out to seek revenge on everybody who you know, hey, you know this one officer Mayde do something bad thing. We need revenge on all of them. That Shit. That's that should not be the way we think either. We need to people who do bad things need to be held common before now, I don't think anyone's going to disagree with that, but we also just have to make sure that we don't, we don't become a city of vigilantes. So it's well correct, correct, correct. I agree with that. All right, Patty. Well, obviously, as we say, well with every story we talked about, I'm sure they'll be more to come on this as well, and when we find out what's happening with that, we will do our best report that to you. All right, Patty, will take another break and when we come back let's talk about covid and what's happening with that. Are we as it as it over? Some people think so, some people don't think so. We'll get we'll see what we think about this when we come back. This is inside the margins. I welcome back to you inside the margins, Patti Sti langing out. Thanks for staying with us, Patty. Definitely appreciate that. So, Patty, if you've noticed recently, if you've been shopping or anywhere else, you may have noticed that most people, or a lot of people now won't say most, but a lot of people, are not wearing masks anymore. That's because you don't really have to, and most places the mask mandate has been relaxed a lot. You are if you have been vaccated. Pretty much anywhere you go you don't need to wear a mask and they're not really checking you on that. So it's more of the honor system at most establishments and stores. Concerts and shows are beginning to come back. There's a couple are coming rocks you're relatively soon. A lot of events and festivals are beginning to happen again and I remember I was hearing Governor Cuomo on the news saying the magic number for everything that got and go back to number was seventy percent dex nation rate, and the numbers show that we're at like sixty nine percent, or really pretty much we're really close to that seventy percent mark here and in this day, not the country. There's other states that have issues, but in this state we're pretty much very close to that seventy percent. So guess the question everyone's asking is covid finally coming to an end? What's your thoughts on that? Patty? No, I are and the shows over that say by my cup. No, I mean I'm not going to say it's close to being over until November. Yeah, because look what happened last summer it leaks. This is a I'm glad. This is why we talk, Patty. It's a great point. It's the summertime, it's warm weather. Everyone's outdoors now, right, that's a lot different than when everyone's stuck inside breathing in the air and say and buildings. Everyone's outside now. So the numbers always seem to drop one the weather it...

...gets warmer because people aren't as clustered indoors anymore. That's kind of my opinion on that too. Right, flu is always around. Great, yes, covids not flow, right, but flu is always around, but in summer it's it's always has dropped because because of that. So, yes, last summer there also was not a vaccine. Yes, yes, sorry each for everybody who's sang, but now there's a vaccine. What are you talking about? Saying are right, does a vaccine. So as of going into the weekend, going into last weekend in Monroe County, fifty eight percent of county residents had at least one dose. Okay, all right, so we've got. What do we got? Seven Hundredzero. People say, for the sake of argument, that you're about correct. Yes, all right, so I'm doing some quick math, but Um. So, okay, hmmm. So about by my math, which is took me three times to get through Algebra, I've got about sixty two percent of county residents have had no, I'm sorry, excuse me, excuse me, I I got the wrong number. Right. Fine, so about fifty a, fifty nine. So we're hovering around sixty percent with at least one dose. So two doses, two doses. You ask. Thank you for asking. It'll be pausing while I enter into the calculator. No, not seven million, seven thousand. So we're getting local numbers here and not just statewide number. Right. This right. So this is on the on the Monroe County Dashboard, which we're just pretty important testing that were. This is where we live. Okay, so you know what I'm really bad at math. Well, we need to do with people with completed vaccine doses. Is About Three hundred and ninety one tho, right, and we have a total of about seven Hundredzero people in Monroe County. Yep, so better. So we've got about fifty six percent of people with completed vaccine series. Okay, all right, so sorry about that. People know it's right. Hey, ugly, ugly math on my pots while we dok. We got about sixty percent who've had one dose, about fifty five percent who've had both. Right. So we're still a ways away from seventy. And this is when everybody says it's getting hard. Now where we are? Okay, some people will say. I will say bribing people with how it kill, a lottery for college education, lottery tickets, using alcohol to promote public health. That still bugs me, but what do I know? So we really trying to convince individuals to go get a vaccine? Yes, we've come to we've come full circle from when we first started talking about this, when the vaccines first came up, came out, where you it was insanely difficult for you to get yourself scheduled to get vaccinated, and how they are rolling out. It was very tough to get back toto, now that we're pretty much begging people to get baccinated. Now we're at the point where you, like you said, Patty, we're giving away money and drinks and concert tickets and whatever. They we're giving a free tacos. I think they're doing one day. Whatever, whatever they're doing, they're trying to get people vaccine it now. So what you said is very important. We've got to the point where pretty much everyone who wants to get a vaccine has gotten one. Now we're trying to convince those who either are still kind of on the fence or who were kind of saying I don't want to get one. We're trying to entice them with other things to convince them to get their get their vaccine. We're at that point. So, yeah, we're we're stalled. We're at that point. What now we're we're kind of flat lined out or we're not at the bars alonger moving up anymore, and we're doing whatever we can to try to get the people that we can cross that threshold. Right, right, yeah, yeah, and so I you know, if...

...you're what they call these early adopters and got your vaccine early, I mean some people somewhat phactially saying well, you know, where's my chance, your college education? But you know, no, granted, initially people were older more at risk, but think about it, we had less information about really how this vaccine worked. Yep, because I've always maintained you can have a clinical trial and you can put three thousand, five thousand, ten thousand, Twentyzero people through it, but when it hits, when it gets authorized for use and you have hundreds of thousands and millions of people taking it. To me, that's when you really start collecting data. I agree with you. So people who were taking this early and they were older, they may have had more complications. There was a lot of fear of what really is this vaccine going to do? Do you think that the I'm not now this is strictly the opinion question. Do you think that that's a still the case on the side now that we're telling us there's still a fear, or is it just people that just are determined to not good because they are anti whatever you know is Ayes from that? I really don't know. I think it's you'd have to every person would have their own being saying, yeah, I'm I'm afraid of what's going to do. I've heard that from some people, saying we don't know, we still don't know. People saying well, if everybody else has it, I don't need to have it. Right. Yeah, I think it's that's a tough one to answer because it's going to be depend on who you talk to. Yeah, no, it was like I was generalizing it and I was just I was trying to just trying to think and as I've talked a lot before, I had covid and I know there. I do know of a couple of people and I even I believe there are some. There's some politician, it was on TV, that's said the same thing. That's not too long ago, that because I have had covid I don't feel that I need to get the vaccine because the fact that I had covid makes me, gives me my immunity. But which I've had covid and and I've gotten vaccinated. But the question I would ask then, as we're working on booster shots right now, right we're working on shots to kind of maintain that doctor in the state that you have once you've gotten the shot. So if you've had covid but never but I've never been vaccinate it, does that booster shot help you? What do you need to get back to it. First, I again I just's you're right, I can go to medical school. So no law school to Medical Schol I've been above my eyes. I've been swimming in the deep end here of the whole the whole show. I would think a booster is what it says it is it boosts. Initially, although I don't know anybody tests. At the beginning of Covid I was big on well, why aren't we getting anybody test to see who maybe have been exposed in his asymptomatics? I've been big on anybody test way back when. The answer that came from the health officials as well. We don't really have good data on whether the's anybody tests are reliable. So I don't know if somebody who's had covid will have the same type or level of anybody's right as someone who had a vaccine. So this is an excellent question. Matt. You need to text me this question for next week if they resume the covid briefing. That I can ask Dr Mendoza. Okay, is what. So what am I or I can try to write this down and bore people as they listen to me take notes, is if you had covid and if you had the vaccine, do you get the same kind of anybodies? That is that what we're asking it? Well, it's I guess it'll be two separate questions. So number one, if you've had covid and you have not been vaccinated, okay, when the antibodies come along, can you just skip the antibody shot or do you need to get vaccinated first and then, I'm sorry, add but if the booster shot right? Thank you. Thank you. Do you okay? Can you use you and to you're right. If you've had both covid and also vaccinated, does that make you? Does that put your different category? Also, I'm gold. Did seek the anybody's the same? Are The anybody's to covid the same as the anybody's to the vaccine?...

Right or so? Because I've always wanted because I because I have both. I've been vaccinated and I've had covid. I don't know if that makes me more protected or if I'm just just as proteculiar as everyone else as I have no idea, but right. So I got I got to ask you this. Sure one of the talk show in Rochester is going to have the questions, going to have the the host in the and the guests saying talking about the level of anybody's from just covid exposure versus vaccine exposure. Where else you going to hear this? That's true. That's a very good point. We try. Anybody who's still left listening to us here this after the after they realize that we can't talk lawyer speak, they may have left. But yeah, but no, I think I think it's a I think those are fair questions, though, because I know those are because some people are under that impression that hey, because I've had covid I don't need anything now, I'm good, which I don't. I can't say. I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that would be the case going forward long, long term. I would think something would have to be done after that. But some people believe, believe it thing because you make a good point. You got me thinking here. Sorry to step on you know you can find it, because you could be the same argument. If someone's had by the flu last year, I don't need a flu shot this year. Well, the flu shot is different everywhere. Right, right, got variance of covid coming up now. Yeah, my guess is this booster isn't. Isn't for the initial virus that we get started a year and a half ago to fight those variants. It's for the it's for that and the variance of right. Not, right, because science viruses don't stand still and science doesn't stand right absolutely correct. Yeah, becauct. I do. Reason why I parted up because I I talked to somebody recently, that actually a couple people recently, and that was there. Their stands of not getting vaccine is is that, Hey, I've had it, so I don't see a reason as to why I need to get vaccinated. And I and I was talking about well, you know, you still need to get that because you may need to have the vaccine to get a booster later on. You may or if you don't, you have to get vaccinated all over again to get the bust shot. But then that he came out with. Well, if I've had covid that, I already have those. Anybody's in me. So wouldn't the booster just work? I have no idea. I don't know if that's the case. Right. Yeah, I don't know either. Yeah, that's that's a great question, but I will will will research to people that are actually, you know, doctors and scientists and whatnot see we get some answers on to that. But, Patty, that's all we have time for today. Well, my God. Yeah, we actually we completed another show. I know there's a lot more left on the table. I did want to get into the and to the what's happening in the city with the violence. But we'll talk. We'll talk more about that next week. Again, another shooting happened, unfortunately, over the weekend and the violence continues and we got to figure out how we can get past that. But you know, discussion is key on this is for all sides from not just police or civilians. We all have to get involved in to try to try to try to quell quelch this a little bit. So we'll see what we could do, but until then, make sure you go to the minority reporter dotnet to check out the stories that they report on. Again, these are all stories that are important to you that reflect what's happening in your community. That's why I like and enjoy reading the stories from the minority reporter and you'll have an option, if you go to that website as well, to subscribe. You get the digital or hard copy for version, so go ahead and take advantage of that. And also, they always want to hear from you. They write stories that are important to you, so you need to tell them what you want to hear. Go ahead and send an email to them at editor at by nor report that then again. That's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. You know, reach out to them. You know, any questions, comment, suggestions, and also, don't forget to visit inside the margins radiocom to listen to this or any past episodes and you can get it there. I heartcom or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Patty, and yeah, and...

...and and you said, you know we want it. We want to hear from you, and I it sounded like I chortal. I mean we do, we do want to hear from people. We do like to know what is you know, what's meaningful to people. We may not be able to have all the answers for you or the answer that you want to hear, but we do want to hear what's on people's mind too, because it does help us. So please do send a note to editor at minority reporter Dotnet and let us know what's on your mind. I could not have said that better myself. All right, a patty, what do you see them next week? Oh Man, all right, for Patty Singer, I am Matt Wilson and this is inside the margins. We will see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed? On inside the margins. We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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