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Episode 16 · 1 year ago

Keeping your sanity while sheltering in place

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On this episode of Inside The Margins Patti Singer Delivers the headline news, we continue our discussion on ways to keep yourself mentally healthy during social distancing, and we play a clip from the latest episode of The Roc City Showcase featuring "The Ca$h Man" Rich Jones.

Marginalized groups can be the targetof negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show weseek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of theconflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice hurt.This is inside the margins with Your House Matt Wilson Good afternoon, and welcome to anotheradition of inside the mergins. I'm your host net Wilson. Yes, we still are anisolation. Es like the governor has extended these day at home, hordersuntil Nake P, president trump's talking oout, perhaps m first, he may startlightening up the restrictons. But who knows if that's going to be the case, Iwant to talk about some of that and also some ways that you can deal with isolatsand isolation and perhaps thestress that you're going through now by being stuck in your homes, but beforewe do that, let's go home, let's go to roster's Vestuis Patty, singer good after Noo Wth Patty,oh my Gosh Ma Tri to catch my great than you letting me Beon, the the showof Ratese Best Toto See Veri out. This is how we DI at isolation. In VicePresident of the mutual admiration seriously, neither one of us haveanything without o people reading R listening. So I don't belie the thanksin the praise and appreciation close to you. So thank you for giining us itgood absolutely. So we are going to start with a non clovet store and weget to Col it in a moent but Inan Hind, cogood story for you, other AfricanAmericans Anda to knows, and more likely than wait to get the diagnose, Oall timees disease, which may put a higher burden of care on their family.The University of Rochester Medical Center in January received a threepoint: six million dollar grant for the National Institutes of Health to studysocial connectedness in the overall health of older adults. Caring for aloved one with DAMENTIA. The Social Tiesan agent Researchd Ceter calledstar is a joint initiative of the Medical Centers Department ofPsychiatry, Ind, the Ur school nursing, Wia, Cin UNIS codero holds a clinicalfaculty position at the Ur School of Nursing to the star center prints toembrace diversity. The Sen a plans o develop work groups that will helpresearchers work with cuty agencies to recruit minorities in Covid News,Rochester mere lovely warrants as to take a step back in dispute. After alarge, peaceful visual to commemorate the most recent life lost to gunviolence, the righteous te Mer urge people who think they have a dispute tosettle to step back and be mindful of the people that they love. The mayorsaid during an online news conference on April Thirteenth Hat. It is up toeach and every one of us to make a decision, a choice. We all get the samechoice, whether we want to save lives and protect our circle or we want tohurt our circle. wholing. The trigger she said is hurting your circle goingout and not practicing social distancing is hurting your circle. Inother Covin News, the Maro County Sheriff's Office announced that onApril twelft n inmate a tested positive for covid nineteen, the indual theindividual, had been arrested by the Rochester West Department on Aprilseventh and did not disclose that prior to his arrest on a weapon's charge, hehad been in close contact with a person who had tested positive for covidnineteen. The inmate was transferred to the Covic concliment area at thesheriff's Brighton Facility. An announcement is expected at any timethat schools will not open reopen this spring. Still Unofficial...

Wud. It is looking more and more likelythat schools will stay on a click mode, not a brick mode for the rest of thisacademic year, moderal county executive, Adam Bello soid. The decision will bemade jointly with input from conny officials, school districts and NewYork State. On April, Ninth Monrole, county public health. Commissioner, DrMichael Mendoza said in reality the window of opportunity for us to reopenschools before the end of the school year is closing so w writes lawyersdemand state numbers with all deliverate speed, as African Americansdied, disparately from covid. Nineteen is often said that when America gets acold, black America gets pneumonia or worse, and that is proven to be thecase this week. Ind the wake of reports that black people are contracting anddying from the coronavirus in greater numbers than other races and accordingto Christin Clark who wis President and Executive Director of the lawyer'sCommittee for civil rights under law, she's saying that we are deeplyconcerned that African American communities are being hardest hit bythe covid nineteen pindemic and that racial bias may be impacting the accessthat they have to receiving testing and healthcare new measures ar plan for black andMatino communities on the importance of covid precautions, ministers, maybemaking facebook videos and homes maybe receiving Robo cause the city andtheccounty will be using whatever tools are available to get out. The word that social distancing is remains animportant way to stop spread of the virus. So far, Monro County has notexperienced that disparite health rate that we have seen nationally, but thefear is that it could and Maor Lovely Warren said that if we do not exercisesocial distancing as well as staying home, we will see those numbersincreased and we will see what is happening across the country light here.COVID nineteen changes funerals, but families still are able to say theirgoodbyes. Only one part of life has refused to yield to the pandemic and infact the virus has made that part of life a starker reality. Familis copingwith the passing of a loved one, be it from the virus or any cause, mustnavigate new rules around how they are able to say goodbye when it's onvisitors and hospitals, they it hard, if not impossible, to be at the bedsidesocial distancing mean cunerals are smaller, but they can proceed in EseWilliams. The president of DM William Hurrol, home and Rochester said thatfor the families there's a lot of misinformation, she said she has heardfrom families that they've been told they can't view or it has to becrevation. It is not true. She says famags most certainly are t the pointof contact and they still are in control. INEDITORIALS colonist George Payne S,saying that to leave God out of the pandemic. He saying that something thatalways gets on his nerds is when religious people turn natural events,such as earthquake, floods and infenchos diseases into divine acts ofmercy and judgment. He is saying: Let's we've got along, there is no time forthe blame game. Now. The situation is one that we made. Ourselves is one thatwe are going to solve or be solved by there as no sense in plinting thefinger at God or waving a finger at our perceived enemies on earth. Bothactions he says are is Ilogical as they are cowardway and the Bible says everyperson shall bear his or her own purden Michael Wan also writes about what ourrole is in e covid nineteen pandemic. He says it will. It is true that healthcare among African Americans lax that of White Americans. There is a rolethat we, as African Americans need to play. He says part of his focus is thatAfrican Americans are not victims in need to do. What we can to takeresponsibility for ourselves also make the changes that we need to make forourselves. Ye said that African Americans always will need assistanceand support, because we as human beings,...

I never meant to do things alone, butwe need to lead instead of always following or looking for handouts fromothers or Hephazadwa, blaming others like what ant is that we have a role toplay in our own health. In this deny the denying of this ind becoming upsetwith officials in our society. That will help keep Laafrican Americans,where we are. Thank you so much patty as usual, anddon't forget, as I always mention, if you want to hear the full version ofthe headline stories that Patty has talked about, you can visit theminority reporter that net for all the full versions. You can also subscribeto the minority reporter on that site as well, and if you do have anyquestions or if you have suggestions for the paper, go ahead and send anemail to editor at minority reporte that net and also you can find links tothe minority reporter and all episodes of the inside the margin show on insidethe Margens Radio Dotcam all right, patty we're going to take a quick breakand we come back. We will get into. How would you keep yourself going stircrazy while being isolated? This is inside. The marges will be right back. Do you have a topic that you would likediscuss on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send yourthoughts, comments, more questions to inside margins at GMAILCOM, welcomeback to inside the margins, I'm your host Matt Wilson, all right so beforewe get into talking about dealing with the isolation that we all are facingright now during this crisis. I briefly wanted to touch on the gathering that happened on Cliffordin regard to that memorial service there I know some a lot of people wereupset about it because the records woth th the informationthat we got shold that there as perhaps a little over two hundred people thatgathered over there and obviously they were not d. You know social, distancing orwearing masks or anything like that, and people were upset because they saidthat they believe you know, because Maryl loveey Warren came out and saidthat she allowed this to happen and there and people are like well. Whywould you allow this happen during this time frame? So I just wanted to clarify on this real, quick Pattan. This is myunderstanding, I'm not sure if you understand different, it's not that the people who wereholding the the memorial service there called Meror,lovely Warran and ask for permission to do that. What it really was is that theyactually gathered already and then the call was left up to Mary loby warrantto make them disperse or to allow it to continue, and she decided social. She would not incighte any more. I guess issues there where people woithmiht Y, because people are already emotional and and in a different mentalstate. She didn't want to press anything and make things get worse, soshe allowed that to continue rather than force the police to break that up.Is that how you understand it as well? That's how I understand that. That'sthe way she presented it when she talked about it at at the newsconference that she said she had been in touch with a chief Laron singltaryfrom the. I think this happened shortly after bidnight, so insince on theprevious Sunday morning, more than we could go, and so the wayshe explained it, they were on the phone pretty much throughout thoseearly hours of the morning about what was you know what was happening orperhaps even what they thought would have been given. This is very common inthe community. There's some there's a...

...public death. You know like a shootingor some violence and people gather to remember that person. We have seen thisthroughout, and so she said that she drove by whe. She said about eleveno'clock in the morning saw the crowd saw that it was peaceful. She describedit it, as you know, as people who were there morning and grieving and you're right. She made the decisionthat the better course in this situation was to let it run its courseand not step inch that there were police that were there observing making sure that it stayed with itsattendive purpose to Morn this individual- and I remember thisindividual. She said that people would not beallowed to gather there again after that period of time on that Sunday, letit let it happen. Watthen people go home, but not have it be a regathering place.The issue will be y need to say this. If, when there's another shooting rightagain, then then what happens? Does it do people say? Well you ill allow us togree. For Mr mcnoand, you can't allow us, you know, I don't want to be the mayorthat day right, pliase cheet that GIN. So it's a it's a difficult situation.If everyone shows up wearing you know, nose and mouths covering. Is that? Okay, you know I'm not trying to make lightof it, but it's just these are difficult decisions in difficultsituations and the people who have to make thesedecisions get put in these situations right, forthe of anyways, but somebodyhas to make this decision for the safety of everyone now part of t e, the health reporter healtheducator ind me Hos, curious to know if any of those individuals whowere there end up, testing positive, Tho, Hirisand o felt til part of me becomes. The scientist here says: Oh what else? Whata laboratory we just have yeah to see, and that's that's a terrible thing tosay too, because they were there t to Morn. You know their friend and theirlove one. So you wonder if public health people seethis is some sort of weird opportunity, and I don't know how this is going tobe be heard by views. But this it's like. I said the scientist in you comesout an says: Wow, here's here's this opportunity, maybe not a great analogy in Michigan.There are numerous protest against the governors, YEP policies. So if someonein that group test positive, do you do the contact,tracing and say? Well, you were in this coup. Now it's not it's TNAT, like all I slice the Bagel.I cut my finger. It's not that clear where you develop this problem, but itcertainly could be part of the laboratory. You know partof the information that gather, so let us hope on more than one level that we don't see this again for a very long time, so we don'thave to make those decisions right. No, you! You said up pervectly. I thinktheehe only reason why I want to clarify. That is because I saw you knowand you and I have joked before about social media and how sometimes a lot of falseness or just people's Orranicopinions get dspewed on social media. So and you know, but it's because of myjob, I have to post up on FO onsocial pedy every once in a while, and I justsaw a lot of different viewpoints, how people were looking and and a lot of alot of anger towards the mayor, and I'm...

...not saying that. I understand peoplebeing angry. I do I really do. I understand that you know people areconcerned about that, but I just wanted to make sure that everyone understoodthat it wasn't like. You know. Someone called an sad hey. I know you havethese rules. Is it okay? If we break them and she was like yeah sure goright ahead, it was it was more like well, this is happening now. What do Ido? Do I allow this to happen, or do I go in and stop this so and you're right if you' re, ifyou're the person what's got to make, that call that's a tough call on make,because you can make the problem worse Y, trying to forcefully remove peoplefrom stuff like that and then that's that was kind of what she was tha. 'That's what she was dealing with and you're right too. Another great pintntyou made is what is going to happen after this cathening. Will we seepeople in that group turnup testing positive for Colid? Is that going to ben? No come, we don't know, but it's interesting and you're right T's. It'snot something that you want to do to see this experience, but it'ssomething that you can look at and see how, if someone is the spreading things orhow it does spread. Ind groups like that, so those are two very good pointsthat you made there. A the other thing, too, is that you can't ever measurewhat you prevect. So I think in this will sedway us into the end of theisolation of staying at home. Is that because you can't measure what you whatyou prevent, I can happen. I it's difficult for people to grasp. Why they're doing with t what they'redoing you know, I don't have symptoms. I don't why Lav to do this, how you going to know what it's goingto work an- and I read some quotrom earlier in the saying that we're notgoing to know if we did too much but we'll know if we did too little MiG. Soit goes a little bit to to the Mayor's action. Is that she, you don't know what you provict, whatyou coan prevent, but I'm not goin. I can't say what she was thinking, butwhat she the sense I got from what she told us was her calculus of this. Isthat not wanting to run the risk of something more happening? Ro ICTAT sheshe's got a police force that she's also in charge of. Does she want to putthose individuals at risk of Coran the point of something else by dispersingwhat she said: newers Hi was a peaceful gathering. You know why get in the Middle Ot,something yes he's: They're, not practicing social distancing, they're,not practicing safe, spacing okay, but they're, not really doing anythingelse, e'r doing anything illegal right exactly so. Why Insert into a veryemotional time and have the run the risk of somethinggetting out? Get not everybody might have gone. You know what you're rightwe shouldn't you're right, we've been here long, a we can all the home or itwould have been at again it's an emotional situation. You know why are you here? We just werejust standing here. Let us do this: Syou want go win, Nat, shes, N T on that ARGUGENT eetheLey! No, she was in a Oman situation, rigt with that, oh so, discretion beingthe better part of Valor. And now I guess it's up to the public healthdepartment to see what really the implications Wer of her decision: Yephyou're right and as we both SAI earlier. I don't envy being in that positionwhatsoever. That's a tough call to make, and I don't you're right there's! No,there is no way you make everyone happy with what with whatever Cald you makethere. So all right, I don't want to guess. I don't want to spend too muchtime on that, but I just kind of wanted to just kind of Wat to briefly, becauseI know some people had a misunderstanding about what actuallyhappened there and how the decision was made to allow that all right. So, let'sget back into what we want to talk about a and obviously everyone is goingthrough this right now, but pretty much eery one. There are some people thatstill are required to go to work where...

...their jobs are considered essential. Iknow you and I both have to do that still, but a lot of people are still either way.Even with the with t e work, you're still pretty much stuck, you can't goout to eat, you can't go out to do you can't go to the gym. You can't gosee your friends, you can't Hee's a lot of things. You can't do right now andit's enough to drive you crazy. It's a being kept in your house for a longperiod of time can definitely you know, get into your mind. It canmess with you and people are beginning to show some signs of anxiety and thepression and just notbeing well because they need it's. It's like cabin fever. Almost youknow I mean people are Theyre stuck and they're dying to get out. So how do you? How do you deal with that?How do you? How do you move forward when you know that you really there'snot a lot you can do about? It is it's kind of outof your control hold thatdub one Sak posit you were talking. I was thinking about things that I haveread about: The inhumanity of solitary conplinent, so they'll be lifetime.Like we wat we reading about the Spanish fol for the past hundred years,riht whousnd, nine hundred and igteehunded years, they will be enoughto write about and study from. All that's happened here, but one thingthat's interesting is: will incarceration changed? Well, politarychange, because now that those of USS who would say I', never committed crime,I would never be in solitary theyre horrible people. They deserve to be insolitary confinement. Well, we've been in solitary conplinment with NetflixInternet computers, all these distractions that we have oure phonesrigrt as long as the GRIDG stays up we're good and we are really struggling with this.So what about a person who was in solitary confinement with not noosright with they don't have a phone to call somebody. They can't do m. Theycan't fase time. So do we change our view of solitary confinement and incarcerationas a result of this? No, that's a great point. You everyone says you never knowa person Ti. You walk a mile on their shoes right. That's a everyone saidthat statement of a million times and that's kind of you're right and isnideand you're right. It's the funny thing is it's not even really a faircomparison, because we still I mean we're isolated, but we're not reallybeing forcefully isolated. You can still go in your car and drive to yourgrocery store and get your food and then come back home where, if you're anactual solitary in jail, you can't do anything you're. Just it's just you andyou're in there you're, not calling anybody you're not talking to anybody.You Dn have a choice of what you're going to eat. Yo this you really insolitaire. So the fact that we're getting all unravled about this withall the luxuries that we have you're right, just think about it. Justimagine I it was worse. Imagine if you have none of the luxuries that you haveto withstand this isolation that we're going through right now, right! So, okay, in my little bits ofanxiety, I will think wow. I really hope that homewaand security is, I itsgame right now, because what if the terrorist wanted to take down tha grit,HMM TVERYBODY all worked up out thatbut. No, I mean that's hat,that's sort of where your mind goes so I'Mthin, I'm hoping only in securityesworking overtime on any kind of reats, because wouldn't that Tho a monkeybrench into everything and then basically bring down the world an theeconomy, and you know all our little Junes Day. OPOCOLYPPIC scenarios, maybe ive had too much time on my her, I need to get out of Thedo. It's agreat oit's. It's a great it's a great point, because a lot of us aremaintaining some sort of our composure...

...because of things like zoom, I just thtjust the other day, my kids, who are usually in school orin daycare during the day. So we can work. They've been home with us, and one ofthe one of the teachers actually have like a zoom meeting with all thestudents. So everyone can kind of see each other and kind of talk and youknow tell eah other they miss each other. All that good stuff, but withoutzoom use that too, and you also lose a lot of abilities to work from home.NHOT gusts. Do my other programs. Obviously, when I zoom is just one ofthe ones that we a'm using as an example, but if you use the bi, if you lose theability to tell a conference or web conference or or talk to people on yourcell phone or any of that stuff, all of a sudden, you lose that one outlet thatyou rely on so heavily so connect yourselfto people of the world. What does happen? Wbut yeah he saw is a very good point welland think about. You know what would have happened if this had been wo, onethousand nine hundred and ninety one and we had the ice don and people lostHar Wi we don't even have to have. You know terrorists power, somebody cansomebody can pit a PPOLE can go down and your right and it wipes out. Youknow five square mile, so it doesn't even have to tink but yeah. I think Iyou know, I think about that. WLAT'S IN F everybody who bought all this foodfor the next hundred years. You know the power goes out, make a lots ofrunning stuff in the refrigerator. So I mean there're lots of things. There arelots of things to worry about right, so, okay. So how do you colme your mindright? That's at giving you all these things to worry. I said what this don'tlet this be the last time you listen to this pidcast yeah out right now hits a Badom Backbackbakusone of the things I'm working on, for something else is a story about mentalhealth. During this time- and I was speaking with mental healthprofessional who gave whocoseor conversation- gave me something that Ivhave been thinking about for the last few days, which is when you are feelinganxious to tap into your senses m so whether that's home or wherever youare to focus on your senses. So what doesthat mean where you are name five things that you can see for things that you can hear three things that you can feel two things that you can smell and one thing that you can taste so as you're feeling anxious and I'mI'm in my Polm Matton in his home. So if my little grant before had made meanxious, I would say: okay, whate are five things that I can see. I can seeman on my screen. I woke ut my window and I can see pinetreet and it's not doing anything a little liht breeze. I see the sunreflecting off. You know: Houses in cars. I see the table that I'm sitting at and I see the plants in myin my room. You know the four things that I hear I hear mean attering you get the drift so for the time ittakes you to go through that exercise. You have slow. You focused on what isimmediately around you, what you're controlling and so maybe for that period of timeyou have kept away the thoughts that were making you anxious right. No andthose are definitely good things to think bbecause, you're right just beingin my home for so long, and I et again...

I will admit I'm I don't want to saylucky but get maybe I will say lucky. I have achance to still go out of the House and work on some of the days that I'm I amrequired to, but still it's your still we're still stuck here for a while andit does. It can play tricks in your mind. It can get to you. So I thinkthings like this. This tips like this are good to try to keep sume sanity, your and your household and your intoyourself. You know just to make sure that you'R knowt, you don't get lost inall the thoughts of the dooms day, thoughts that you could have, whileyou're sitting in your home, if you've ever traveled with somebodywho 's a Frend Igting you made and and I've done this I've done a couple.Hiking trips with a friend- and I remember before the first trip- I very clear- I said you know we'regoing to be together. This potentially be stressful. I said I would apologizin advance for anything that you know ticks you off for something,because I just we've, never traveled together we're friends, but we've neverdone this so and I don't know it doing sort of a preemptive. You knowconversation or something say I know we've been, you know, we've been cookedup for a while, and you know so. If I do something it's not intentional right,I and and because intentions are acting with with intent, wlack Wul, thei term matter to me. Whatwhat are we intending when we do something or we say something we couldjust be wuddeling into something and it could. It could be completelyaccidental and I think, maybe doing something preemptive with the peoplearound. You is that I'm feeling stressed by this. So if, if I react oract in a certain way, I am reacting to the situation. I'm not reacting to you. So please hearme say that right, right, t at can kind of you know again be a bea bit. Preemptive tear prolaned,rather than always re active right and that way, when you see someone, maybeacting out of character, you remember what they said to you. Prior okay, youknow, there's a chance that I may be out AF character. Wher, I may be blowon edge because of the situation that were put in you know wha. I was justthinking because we were talking before we before we got on. Do you think you could be an astronautnow because, because ashionatter pretty much in thesituation, all the time right, Wa e Washington Post did a story aboutthey talked to astronauts about how to get through this. Some of thesuggestors was do not count. The days do not be like you know the little oldprison movies you're, seeing the TICTII ric. Don't do that because that's hereminder and the other another suggestion from that article was tohave a routine. U At seven do work. Do whatever you know apportion your day,but what did you need to do? Because for me it's the it's the endlessness of thehours and how will I fill thet hmthat is a that is a trigger for me. I lookout and I just see the highway to Utah Right. This is flat straight road andthose mountains in the distance never get any closer. That will cause me someanxiet right. I GTNA fill this space G, anxious just you know, just nd havingthat kind of Tis talking about self. I have to say well in the when I'm donewith Matt. I have this coming up: Im just GOINGI'm just coming up weekends.I flind are always difficult. Co, me variety of reasons you know being ohaving an to Partmein. You don't have you don't have that person to fell thatright right right, so work is really good, so five days a week, I'm you knowbut weekends, especially now, because...

...you can't necessarily call a friend,let's go to the coffee shop or just go to a coffee shop and hang out and justwatch people like that. Is there anymore. So how do you structure thetime that seems empty to you right? How can you ther onwy so manytimes you can clean the house right Inyoubawn, you know my house is stilllooks the same way it did on March thirteenh before all this all thishappened, I right. So what is it that you can do nwe back upIAM, not a wison, menal health professional, but I'm someone who's going throughthis, like like you, yes, and so what is working for me when I'm hoping isworking for me, is trying to find structure in every day, create somestructure and also to say to myself. I am Rhonwy and I am bored okay. That wasat five minutes this hour. Now. What am I going to do for the other? Fifty fiveminutes of this hour before and the next hour, I can spend five minutessaying I'm Holwand, I'm bord right. No, you made a good point. One thing I willrelate to this to even the was completely different is I was I was inthe military was of the Navy, and I remember when I was in bootcamp. Theone thing that I wanted to make sure I did not do was count. The dayis untilboot camp was over because a lot of people were doing that and they weredriving themselves crazy, don't know they could make it another. You knowseven days or eight days or whatever, because I didn't do that. I was likeyou know what the military has a structured day for you just do the justgip through the day and then once you get toh that day gets the next day,that's kind of how I did it and that and all of a sudden it was time tograduate from BOOT camp people who were counting the days like okay. This is anine week program were on day to you, chances that are you're going tohave a tough nine weeks if you're counting every single day, becauseyou're soyou're wanting it to end so bad that it's not going to end fastenough for you and the other thing to is, if you're, just looking to the endand you're there to defend my freedom, I kind of don't want you to thiss astep. I so look at. Please don't skip to the lastpage of good camp when I am depending upon you. Please read all those pages in betweenbecause there might be something ther you know. Mindfulness has become a bigbusiness but Tis a migndfulness. It's a probablay of folty millionar industry othings, but there's a there's a point to it of trying to be in the momentthat you are which is going back to that senses. You know exercise whenyou're feeling anxious try to just slow things down and be where you are at thetime and again not a license mental heall professional, but that moment maybe uncomfortable for you right. How are you going to deal with thatdiscomfort? Hopefully the discomfort will pass, but I it. This is not acomfortable time for people. There's a lot of discomfort yeah. How can we, the OKA with the discomfort, it', gonlt yeah, and that's that'stough and like just like you said we all deal with it in different ways, but hopefully someof these suggestions just give you some thought processes on how you cango about this time because th, here's the worstthing about this sislation it's even though we keep getting these extendeddates. You really don't know what it's going to end so so you so so Tryn tocount days, anyways or or anything like that, its probably not going to be oubenefit because we don't know, that's The p. The unknown is still veryprevalent in our lives right now it'. This is a blizzard that will not end itkeeps knowing and snowing and snowing, and you know wizzards doing you knowthe sun does come out in January. After a blizzard, we don't know when you'reright, we don't know when this is going to end and it's taken away our sense ofcontrol and I think...

...for many Americans. I know I am, I wit, a privilege lifethat allows me to have a lot of control over my life same ier. I do not havecontrol over this, and so is this kind of like a twelve stepthing. Do I have to sort of give up give myself up to the higher power thatthats runningness to find so some comfort in it? I don't know, but I do have toacknowledge that I don't have control over this. That frustrates me because Ilike being control- and I have to acknowledge that I'm I'm just one ofIke comany billions pieces n moved around in this Y Patya. I can I'll tellyou this. I bet you a lot of people, even people who don't think they'recontrolling people are used to having some sort of control in what and howthey live their lives, and all of us right now have pretty much given thewheel to somebody else. So we're all on the same boat and I just want to say,hang in there and I also want to say Patty you're doing a great job. An youcontinue to do a great job, and thank you for being with us again today, asyou always are with us every week. Thank you for the Opportunity Man. Iappreciate ad appreciate you all right. Don't forget, patty singer the minorireporter Dat net make sure you go there subscribe and get the detailed andindepth version of all the stories that she covered during the headline newsallright. We are going to go ahead and take a break and we come back we'llhave a clip from the rokity showcase. Do you have a topic that you would likediscussd on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Pleasesend your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Welcome, back, welcome back to ouinside the markes okay. So, as usual for this last segment, we like to playa little clip from our podcast show the Rock city showcase, the show thathighlights rocster and all the positive things in the people that make RochterRoshter this week's guest is the cash man Rich Jones he's the host of arestling UFC show called the pain clinic. He is also the producer of kickthis with Soccer Sam and he does a lot of other production, one of my one ofmy good friends as well, and it was really fun to have a chance to sit downand talk with him and just kind of get his story and that you can check outthe rock city showcase whereever, you get your podcast, I mean anywhere. I tois the tunein radio APP Google play, I heart radio, it's on all of them, sowherever you get them checking out, I think it's a pretty good show, and hereis a clip and also don't forget. You can catch all of the past episodes ofinside the margins and the Rock city showcase on our website at inside themergins, RADIOCOM IC and that's inside the mergins radiocom all right time forme to get out of here, enjoy the clip and we'll see you next week take care. This is the Rock city showcase richJones, hey rich ar you doing buddy! Hey! Thank you so much for inviting me.Imagine that we're in the same room this world has changed so much in thelast five weeks: Crazy, how you been holding up betterthing good, I amholding up- I mean I, you know I live for these days in which I cancome up here and get away from my humdrum existence. You know living onmy couch and right staying isolated. You know yeah. I trust me I'm therewith you yeah all right. So one thing that we do have in common: Besides, youare actually the whole Soi show that I actually do enjoy to listen to on FoxI'm a longtime wrestling fan. I have...

...been since the s back in the day when call Colgan and MR T and Lotty RitPiper, all back then, when the first Rustl, maybe I happened and the thirdone where hohokin slammed Ondro the giant. So I just wantd to ask you Wouldn't, you become a rusting fan ot and and how did you get into UFC also, and what made you want to doa show, that's cool. Well, I was Prerentin R, a wrestling fan since believe it or not. There was a time inthe I've lived in Rochester my whole life, and there was a time when therewas only four TV channels- yeah yeah and- and we suddenly got this fifth one.It was W UHF of his channel thirty one which is OK fox down, and when thatcame on all F of sudden, it opened the world to a lot of syndicated styleprogramming that I've never seen in my life before, and one thing it happenedto do was it would show wrestling every Sunday night at seven, and so I startedwatching it. I think when I was in Sevenh or eighth grade- and I start Ibecame you know started you know I was a Bob. Backlan was the wwfchampion atthe time, and I just kind of I just kind of liked it. You know- and it'slike and and my dad tolerated it, which hes very big sports fan, but he wouldlike. Let us watch H, t once every every month or every couple months,Medison Square Garden Channel we have, which I think is still around today.Everyone still has it. They would show a show from a russing show from the MiSquare Gardens from the arena and it was pretty cool because they would justbroadcasted on their mamsg channel. So not only did I get to watch it everySunday night on Fox or WHF channel thirty one back then, but then I youknow and and thenbod also got to watch it. And then I realize, Oh, my goodness,there's these other channels and there's wrustling on Saturday afternoonB, T it's from North Carolina. It's called mid Atlantic grustling and thenthen then, what then n another one. It was a h, W TBS, which showd GeorgeChampionship wrestling every Saturday night from six Hudre and five to eighto five, and you know- and I so overdose on it. Pretty quick- and I think I dogive it credit to cable TV for doing that, because you know like I said wehad four or five channels, but when cable happened, that's when all all theout and ou it's broke free and we got maple leaf wrestling and all thesechannels from Buffalo and Syracuse, which Hild show stuff as well, and Ibecame a big fan and was through high school and then you know, I went to offto college and kind of let it go by the side for a little bit and then and then I started whe started datingmy wife. My son started watching it when I'dcome into work on the weekends and he got me into it back into it again.So we're talking like Ne Thousand Nine thundred and ninety one. Ninety two YEPI started getting back in and I listend I wasn't completely out of it. I meanthey wad Monday night raw was on. I would try to watch that when I couldagainst you know, unless there's a better football game on Mondy and Ifootball but so yeah, so so I started watching it again and then it reallystarted blowing up in popularity about Ne Thousand Nine hundred and ninetyfive. Ninety six and and T I you know my friend Soccer Sam, who runs who isth the host of kickthis. The soccer show that I was producing at the timesaid. You know I'm doing two hours a week and we're off season. I don't knowwhat we can do to fill the time, and I said you know I thought about this. Awhile. I know there's some guys doing it up in Toronto. Let's try doing a prowrestling, talk, show and he's like sure. Let's go for it so he went. Youknow he got all you know h. He was all into it because he was really watchingit, a lot back than two with his kids, and so he started doing it on Saturdaysand he because he he has all these connections andeverything we were having commercials on TV where they would promote itduring raw, and so we had a built an audience as soon as we started onSaturday mornings. It was insanely crazy, but we did it a little bit more,like a show more showy than it is now now we try to do it like news- and youknow news and storylines and stuff like...

...that. But then we are Alleah each Han,our own character and that's whete. A cashman came from yeah. I was richierich, the CASHMAN and his dog dollar. That was SOT. I was named by Soccer Samso and we we crammed it down to the Cashman, and so I mean that we started.Our very first show is in November of one thousand nine hundred and ninetyeight, and we just finished up today as another one. So it's were we're almosttwenty two years into doing a pro wrestling talk show on Fox sportstwsndnd. Eighty V had people change come and go soccer. Sam had steppeddown. He was a figurehead for a company that didn't you know his characters,Doctor Love and they felt he was a little, maybe not in the best best representative for the companythat he owns. So he had to sit that back and he let me take reins of it andsince then, we've been now, you know people names and faces may change, butthat one personweas will be. There will be the cash man, because the I'm hereand I startit- we all started it so that that's a long running show andit's something that we are similar to because it happened to me. I did thething where I was a big fan in the early S, and I was until right until,like maybe one thousand nine hundred and ninety ish and then I kind of felloff myself and then I kind of got back in during the attitude era yeah andlike that's an that ki so yeah. I kind of did the whole drift out drift thatget and then you know kind of stayd te fan now you also ulcorporate UFC yeshow to is that correct? Well, we do in general for yeah m. We were all fans ofit and but there's a host we had a few years ago. His name was Murph and Murph loved UFC, and so he loved rustling too,but he would like he said gay. He said: Hey come on out to come on out, we'llwatch this stuff together and maybe you'll get and its I've always beenintrigued by it. But I alwast kind of felt you know the early days of UFC, I kindof bought into the the hype and whatever I was saying, it's like bigguys versus little guys. It's not really fair that way, but really whenit became when they started doing like weight way, class restrictions andeverything it became very exciting, and so I kind of was into it a little bit.You know and then and then, but Murph made me blow up big time. We woeld goout to like tensil town and watch UFC payper views on the big screen, and soYeah II've been real inso and there was another aspect to of rustling, becausethere's a lot of people who, like proressing, that love UFC as wellIgeand, sometimes people cross over to we saw Ronda rousy. We saw brock leznerboth being champions in the US erock right, Kan, sheamrock, yeah Dan Severnhit up and studio up here with hus one day IO. You still be the picture, ofsyeah and so there's a lot of these and and of Rochester. Of course, John BonesJones. You know h usas, where he's born and came from so it's like. So we havea lot of connections to UFC and and it was really really really exciting toand really d get into it, and then it became a double advantage for the painclinic because we could go out in our sponsors and host payper views for UFCgave us a couple nights out there, where we could draw crowds to the tothe restauraunts and bars that we ware at and so and I love watching. So it'slike, and I mean I've so and it was so new to me. Maybe you know I meanunderstanding the rules and everything, maybe ten fifteen years ago, but nowit's like. I love it. I just syu, that's one of those things where Ican't. I you definitely don't want to diss it. Do you have a topic that you would likeOdiscussd on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Pleasesend your thoughts, comments, more questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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