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Episode 34 · 1 year ago

The Definition of Justice

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On this episode we discuss justice. What does justice look like in regards to Mayor Lovley Warren and Daniel Prude?

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello, a good afternoon. Welcome to another edition of inside the margins. This is Matt Wilson. Well, as you know that headlines have been pretty crazy recently. Our president has covid, our mayor has been indicted, there's a plane crash that killed some prominent attorneys, or in a prominent attorney, and of course some of the jurors got attorneys for Brianna Taylor, and there's also questions about justice here in Rochester, New York. So there's a lot of things to cover and we will certainly talk about a few of these topics, including covid and what's happening with the schools and sports and all that too. But before we do any of that, let's go ahead and get into some headline news with the minority reporters, patty singer. Hello and good afternoon to you, Patty. You know, it's interesting that there's still is other news. Why? I don't this the year of the short attention span? Yeah, and I really don't know how I'm struggling keeping up with everything, and I don't know how people who just want to stay informed really are keeping up with all that is in our community that maybe they're just selecting things that they have to focus on. So we catch you up on a few other things that you may have made one that you know incredibly important. It is time for few shots in the county. Says that they will be accessible in city neighborhoods. Talking about the mayor. Before all this happened, mayor warrant had named Brittany Wells as her chief of staff, and that brings Brittany Wells back to city hall. We're still remembering jacale young and Jarvis Alexander, who were who were killed in the shooting on Pennsylvania Avenue, and their parents, their mentors in school remember them as being inspirations it. More local news. The Black and Asian Democratic Caucus is calling for investigation regarding the death of Daniel Prue, and that caucus is part of the Monroe County of legislature. Generosity in our community. Jose a Coronas and Mary Francis winters were two of three people who are honored by the Rochester Area Community Foundation for their philanthropy. Nancy Robbins also was honored and the center fourteen empowerment received an award. Cynthia Harriet Sullivan returns to the Rochester Police Department as the INNERIM chief. She succeeds Mark Simmons, who is named acting chief after the retirement and then firing of laurn cemetary. There is new leadership at Baden Street settlement of Rochester. Michael Marsh has currently taken over one of Rochester's large and important social service agencies. In National News, the Kentucky Grand Jury Decision Brings No justice in Brianna Taylor's death. Suffering continue a while more. Covid nineteen aid remains stemy. In Congress and in opinion. George Pain writes. Jesus was a person of color and he was killed by the police. Does that matter? Chinique bird gives her response to defund the police. Advocates and Chaplain Aisha Cruitz writes an open letter to all wisdom, righteousness, justice, peace, reconciliation and moving forward virtue.

Good segue into some of the things that we're going to talk about. Thank you so much, Patti. Always appreciate it. And, of course, if you want to get the full versions of the headlines that you just heard Patti give there, once you go ahead and go to the minority reporter dotnet to get the full versions of all the headlines that Patty just talked about, you also will have the option to subscribe to the minority reporter there. So we certainly think that you should do that. You can get the hard copy, you can also get the digital version. Those are both options for you, and so that way you support local media, so that's good as well. Also, if you have any questions or suggestions for stories, you can set an email to editor at the main at minority reporter Dotnet, and also you can catch this episode and all episodes on our website at inside the marriage is radiocom. You can also submit questions to us there as well well. Right, we're going to go ahead and take a quick break and when we return we will talk about some of the topics that Patty brought up on her headlines and also some other things. This is inside the margins. Will be right all right, welcome back to inside the margins. Okay, I am here with Patty and very interesting. Last week when Patty I and I were on, we were talking about the new intern chief of police that mayor lovely warned just assigned. And now the mayor's back in the news because she has been indicted. It goes back to funding, you know. That does with her, that deals with her campaign. So I'm not sure how that looks for it's a felony, but I understand that there's not a lot of jail time that goes with this felony. But I do know it is a felony and that she can lose her her license to practice law. So those are definitely significant and I know there's more to come later on. Is that correct, betty? Correct? Yeah, right after this she is scheduled for she's been scheduled for an arraignment at four o'clock this afternoon. But there are things, you know, where we're here, we're not. We're not pretty everything that's going on right right. They may waive it. It may be other issues that that happened that we don't know about until you know, until the last minute. Right right. Scheduled to be a ray in arrayment is the first court appearance in my womened experience with that. It's a it can be incredibly brief. Charges are read. How do you plead? It's not guilty. The please not guilty. And and we perceived the attorneys for for the mayor for in the two there are two other defendants in that. In that case they spoke on Friday afternoon saying that they talked about mistakes in the in the funding. Was No larren's attorney joke. Milio said that the key term in the indictments is intent. Right there and intent or was as he said, there were miscommunications and mistakes made. He said that the people who worked on on her campaign were volunteers. May Not be as well first but again that we're not the grand jury. Or right, if this is and somebody asks this at one of the news conferences, how much is not knowing a defense? How much is a mistake of defense? I don't know. Was it one mistake? Was it numerous mistakes? I don't know that right and I don't know if the grand jury knows that great right secret. Often the media doesn't know that someone's been indicted. Maybe there's a release or something like that. I think this is just me conjecturing. I think it was done because there's just such scrutiny on the Mare right now. Yeah, that's...

...obvious. Yeah, let's put it out there, let's say what is to happen. So that way and it's almost like so the people who put out this information can go back to doing their work. I know I call a couple days last week. I'm hearing rumblings. What's going on? How many media outlets do we have in this town? Half a dozen? You know, eight. Multiply my phone call by that number and these folks can't get their work done. Yeah, and then, and it's the work of the people. Like they're sitting there. I don't shop it. This is the people's work that has to get done. So they put this out there, they put it out to everybody at once. They they try to be as fair as they can be in putting this information out, and then we move forward and and see what happens in the attorneys for the defendants now say they're looking forward to their day in court. Yeah, just to gas US. You know, could you find a jury here? It was totally unbiased. You have to change the venue I don't know the answer. Yeah, that's a good point. Another question. Hey, I'm going to fix this. Another question I want to ask you, as I was talking to somebody about people who work on your funding and stuff like that, and they were comparing it to, I don't know if you know the actor Wesley Snipes. He was arrested for like tax fraud or something like that, and he didn't do his taxes. It's you know, he had somebody else do it for him. So he had no idea what was going on. So he was found guilty, but he didn't really have an any idea of how, you know, things were happened or what was being done as far as his taxes. So this is obviously a hypothethetical or a speculation. Rather, is it possible that Mary Lovely Warren had no idea where the funding or who's doing the funding, who's in charge of it or what they were doing, because that really isn't her focus? She has he she hires people or has people do that for her and she may not know what's going on, she also knows that money's coming in. Is that? Is that a possibility? Well, like snipes, who has far more money than I do both of us good. Buy I hire somebody to do my taxes. I every year sign that for having no clues to what's on it, because that's why I hire somebody. Right, right, it I'm not. I am not a tax person because that person also signs that form, he and I will have adjacent cells at federal prison, right right. So that is not, to my knowledge, again, not in turning, not a tax preat attack for pair. If you sign the form in in what I think I know is that makes you responsible. So even though I never look at my taxes after they've been done, because if I could look at them the first time I do them, I'm responsible for the numbers that are there. So is the person that signs that form? Is it the same in campaign finance? I would. I would as a lay person, I would think so. I don't know the legal answer to that question. It would make sense to me that if it's your campaign, you are responsible. Yeah, I know, I guess I just ask that question as the people. Well, you're talking about intent. You know what I mean. It's that if she didn't know, it's not really her. Think she's obviously still going to be held responsible for it, but I'm just talking about it. When you talk about judging her, perhaps she did not have any intent to do any mismanagement with her campaign funding. Maybe she left it in the hands of other people and they were the ones that failed her. I'm just I'm just asking that kind of question. A couple years ago there was a mistake on my taxes. HMM, I had to pay, yes, right, go to jail? Right, yeah, I faced I faced a repercussions from that because something was wrong. Right now,...

...the person who prepared my taxes doing because it was their mistake. I'm responsible. They paid the penalty because it was late. Right. Well, I don't know how much it was, but if you don't pay taxes on time, you will be penalty right, right, right. This was a couple years beyond get sale. Wass takes a while from the catch it. So I had to pay the amount of the under payment. I hope, for sake of argument, will say three hundred doll I don't know, but three hundred. What's the penalty on that? But my tax prepared, because they made that mistake, paid the penalty for that. So it was an honest mistake. There's no jail time, but it was no intent. We messed up. We made it right. Now, does that mean I get audited for the rest of my life not knowing that that's being on? I have no idea. So, even if it's a mistake, there may be repercussions for that. Right right. The issue, from my sense and what the lawyer is saying, you've got to prove intent because that's the key, that is the key piece of this. So in the indictment, the first count of the indictment, which is scheme to defraud in the first degree. Right, the first kind of the indictment the defendants honor about between November six two thousand and thirteen, November seven two thousand and seventeen, but reading year, a scheme to cont because, excuse me, constituting systemic, ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud more than one person or to obtain property from more than one person by faults or flouduling pretenses. The indictment includes the words with intent. Includes with intent. Let me go to the second indictment. So the second indictment is a violation of election law and Penal Law. Knowingly, this is on pulling these words out, knowingly and wilfully solicited organizer coordinated the formation of activities dot dot dot so again, knowingly and willfully in the second count, with intent in the first count. We're not lawyers, but no, no, we're not. But those words, those words have meaning, right have they have lately meaning and they have legal meaning. Right. I guess you got me right. Right, and you're that's kind of why I brought up because you you made a good point about your taxes. I'm glad you as she told that story, because that's kind of what I was getting that perhaps there will be a penalty for campaign funding mismanagement, but it may not be this felony if they can't prove intent. I guess that's where Ilse I was going with that. There may be some sort of repercussion that she and her and the people who handle the funds may pay. But if there's no intent, if they can't, they can't find her being malicious and trying to do something, you know, intentionally to get funding illegally, then maybe she won't be penalized as harshly if it's just an honest mistake where she may be fined or or something like that. That makes sense. It does it at the issue and that's what will segue into. Yeah, about justice is there is a there's a level. That has to be a threshold, I guess you call it for something that's criminal. Right, right, you know, and it again we toss around a lot. Beyond a reason will doubt. I A get. I'm not on this jury, I'm not a lawyer. Assuming that you has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. That can be a high threshold. And because somebody there's a I'm not going to say...

...this, but there's a this has to be adjudicated thoroughly. And this is going to go to our second time of your discussion of what is justice. People who don't like somebody charged with something will say justice is off with their heads. Right. Others will feel differently about that. But I think we really have to start thinking about what justice looks like, separate from punishment, separate from revenge. What is justice? And I think it's time for us to take a break away to come back topic. But if I'm reading you correctly, but if I'm used to look in your eyes at this point, we'll come back to that. So hang on. Everybody want to talk about justice? Yep, she's right. We'll take a quick break. Will be right back. This is inside the mark. Each of us has a moral responsibility if we are to voting age and if we are registered to participate in that decision. African Americans can afford not to vote. We must vote for people who have our best interest in mind, heart and soul. We must vote for issues that advance the well being of our families and communities. We can't expect to win every vote, but if we don't vote, we can certainly expect to lose. This November, we have an opportunity to vote for a local, statewide and national officials in the Bevy of initiatives. Don't be complacent, and I don't need to tell you having to feel about that. You you know who to vote phone. I'm just asking you to vote, get in the game. Make sure to vote the still member. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments and more questions to inside margins at gmailcom. All right, welcome back, it's Matt and I am here with Patty and we were just going to talk about justice and what that looks like. Patty, this multiple things happening right now, multiple cases in the country, not just here in roster we're also out in Kentucky where people are want justice for wrongful deaths. So we're going to talk about that. What does justice look like? What is the end goal when you're trying to hold somebody accountable for someone who has passed away? So or in anything, or anything right, right, right, anything where a wrong has been perceived or, in the case of court cases, through so I want to start with a quote that anybody who watched the memorial services for the late Justice Ruth Bede to Ginsburg may have heard. The phrase. said it Saidek tire dop he who. Phrase Means Justice, Justice, you shall pursue. It's not revenge, revenge yourself pursue. It's not punishment, punishment you shall pursue. Hmmm, justice, justice, you shall pursue. said it. said it here, Dolph. So I do I don't have I'm not looking through the he re Bible for what is the definition of justice? becausing right, right for this. But, but, but, keep in mind what justice? What she stood for? Yes, what absolutely right. So when we have scales of justice, we try to balance scales of justice we don't look on one side and let the other side fly off right. Keep those those equal. So some definitions of justice is quality of being righteous,...

...impartiality, fairness, quality of being right or correct. That could be loaded right, sound reason, rightfulness, validity or reward or penalty as deserved. We've heard the phrase just deserts right. Right. Just deserts use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just or lawful. This goes on administration of law procedures, of the law skills and ministration of law procedure of a law court, a judge. So the definition that can stop is here would be to be right or correct. Right, yes, right or correct. By whose standards? These these are now in court. These are potentially criminal cases. There is a certain again, threshold of proof to say some, somebody or something guilty or not guilty. I don't know if in this community we are prepared right now to have a discussion of what is justice. I asked at the there was a news conference last week the attorneys for the seven suspended Rochester police departments laid out what they're with. Their investigation so far has shown and one point I asked them. I said the communities wants justice for Daniel prude and I mentioned the words revenge and punishment. I said, what does justice look like to you? The attorneys, and James Nobles responded by saying it is creating fairness for everyone. Now they're there, they are criminal defense attorneys. They are just because you're criminal defense attorney doesn't mean you're defending somebody guilty right. You are there to give them due process. Everybody is everybody is allowed due process. So just the fair is faith to create a system that is fair for everybody. That's that's justice. That's probably long term goal. Short term goal. Do people want, quote unquote, who justice and I for an eye? I hope not. I hope not. I'm with you on that too. I think we so we touched on this last week and this is how I this is my outlook. Again. This is just my outlook. Whatever happens in court, whatever is decided once the evidence is presented and as long as you know, there's a the juries is picked appropriately and everything's fair, I think we have to let that play out. We have to see what's presented, we have to see what the evidence is and, depending on what the jurors say, if they find wrongdoing from these officers, not the system but the officers. If they see something malicious or something done by the officers and they believe they should be penalized for that, so be it. If it's more of a system thing, if it's more of the way things things were structured, if it's a thing, if it's more well, hey, they were told this is how they were supposed to do this, then maybe the long term goal is to fix that, the fix the way that is structured, the fix the way people are supposed to respond to an incident like that. and to me that's still the biggest goal is to change that. Right, the the the penalizing the officers.

Okay, I understand that. I do. And again, if we find fault, then let that. Let the penalties, you know, be just for what happened, but the long term goal, in my opinion, is to fix this so this does not have again. That's that's my opinion. Okay, can we are there enough people who were patient enough to allow that to happen? That's a great question. Well, and I think that, you know, again protesters in front of Sander Doorway's house the other night. You know, down in the city again doing a lot of yelling, but I don't see everything. I'm going to say that, so I may not I may even report. I'm supposed to know a lot about a lot. I can't be everywhere. I don't know that it's happening. Why can't your patty? I am not the win much as I think I'm son of the Moon. So, but I think that I don't see and I'm not hearing that the same people who are out all night during the day are sitting. The biggest cliche I'm hearing now is at the table. I'm going to refuse to write that phrase, because part of the discussion? Are they part of the discussions about how to how to fix things? Is it possible to work on to try to adjudicate what happened that over here? Yeah, lay on Radio Righty, got my hands going that to the right and as over on the left, here we're working to change the system down the road. Can we do two things at once? Can we work on this short term situation that we have while long term looking so that this short term situation doesn't happen again? Another situation may happen, but this situation won't happen anyway. We are. We are more prepared. Right. So I think the race commission is looking. They're looking, you know, all the way down the end of the field. I think what we need to work on now is how we going to get, you know, we got a first in twenty, right. How we going to get twenty yards to get another first down? You can hand on right. Meanwhile, over here we're working, I. Just getting the first down. Over here we're working on the touchdown. Can we do that at the same time? Can the community that the same time? And that, to me, in my overly simplistic way of thinking, takes calming down for a while, realizing we have we have made our point with protests, and now comes the incredibly hard work of moving down the field for a touchdown. I think you made a good point earlier. It's it's the whole patience thing. It's can we do it? Yes, will we allot allow ourselves to let, as you say, the game unfold in order for us to make the plays to move down the field? We and you're right, it's hard because you have so much emotion and it's built up in you and you feel like you got to do something. You know, and I get that because I feel less. I feel the same way. But it's time now to Ashley let and Make Change Happen, and we have to do things in order to make change happen. We have to focus our energy on the things that make change happen. I don't I don't think banging drunk drums in front of the day's House is going to make change happen. But that will annoy the DA, but it's not going to make change happen. There are things that we need to do. I it just like anybody else. When I saw what happened to Daniel prude, I was hurt. It...

...was it was hard to watch and it's an awful thing to think about what his brother must be feeling right now. You know what I mean. You know he's it's and what's going on and the society right now. I mean it's good because it keeps him focused on something so he has he doesn't have to sit there and stew and what happened with his brother. You know what I mean. You got to keep yourself busy and active in order you don't just sit there and all the what e's sort coming in your head. What if I did this? Can I've done something differently. Blah, blah, blah, because that can kill you too. You know what I mean. So we need to institute change, we need to make sure that this, and you're right, there's so many other things up there that need to be fixed to but this thing, we know how was handled, was wrong. No matter how you feel about the police or anything, I think almost everyone can agree that this was not handled appropriately. Well, I'm going to have to say, Matt, that is for that is for the investigations to determine. Again, if you listen to the attorneys, none of them denies this was a tragedy. None of them did. I this is this is unfortunate. Is is not as. None of this denies that this was horrible. The outcome of this was horrible. Right, situation reading up to this is horrible. Here's a man that, a cording to the attorneys, is is not in his right mind because, to quote one of the attorneys, voluntarily ingested PCP. Right, none of this is good in any way, shape or form. Why he even has to come to Rochester is probably not good. Right, there's there is nothing. The whole thing is horrible, probably from from beginning to end, but it's going to be up to the investigation and the and a court of law likely to determine if it was criminally wrong. Right. That's not where I was going. The criminal case is the criminal case and will see the outcome. My point was whether it's a systemic thing, whether it's something that needs to be changed overall as the how we handled this going forward. It's there's something there that went wrong. It made not been criminally wrong, who knows? We're going to find that out, but something there was not right. Right, correct. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so here's the thing. So there hasn't been a briefing, I don't think, in a couple weeks from city council with police, but at the last briefing, which would have been, I think, two weeks ago, I think the overtime was up to one point six million dollar. Is Related to the protest. So, and I guess this is what I don't understand. Okay, if you have the protest to who want when? Legitimately, so this is this goes to what to what you're talking about? The system is messed up. We need to change the system. How can we do that? How can we reimagine and I'm having to just say policing. I'm going to say public safety. Right, policing is policing is part of public safety. Until you can get rid of every criminal, which is never going to happen, there will always be a coriminal. I will give you the term public safety. All right, let's let's use that term. Let's reimagine public safety. Right now it is a probably eighty percent police model. Like if you reimagine public safety, can that go down to a fifty percent police model and can we have a fifty percent case case management, social work other other kinds of things? However, if you're spending hundreds of thousands...

...of dollars a month over time, those officers have to be paid. To me there's a to me there's some cognitive dissonance about we want to put our money other places and yet we're spending millions of dollars on overtime. Why are we spending millions of dollars on overtime? Because people would probot. You still need to be protected. I've heard protesters say police often just are protecting property. Well, there have been instances in the past, not every protester, where some people who go into protest have damage property and in the model of public safety that we have now, damaging property is seems a problem, right, and it calls for that police response. This is are chicken in any thing here, right? which which is going to come? If we're not damaging property, then we don't need police to stand in front of shops or whatever, if there's not going to be that that threat. Where are I going with this? If we want to reimagine public safety, then we need to reimagine we, all of us, need to reimagine how we're acting in public. Now, I get that too, but but you actually make an interesting point. Every every cause has a reaction, right. So people being out damaging property, the reaction is. The reaction is going to be law enforcement's going to be out there. But don't forget the protests are also reaction to what happened in their first place. So we can start there too. If that didn't happen, there wouldn't be protests about the protest didn't happen, there wouldn't be cops out. So that's why we have to get we have to get to the first part of this is that was handled horribly. How do we make sure it doesn't it's not done that weight again and it's tough because, like I said, people, people rightfully so, are not happy about what has happened because it was it's one thing if you hear about what happened, it's another thing when you watch it and that stays in your head. Let's not forget Matt had somebody said on April first, hello, Rochester, we had an incustody death in the past week. This is what happened. Once we get clearance. This is a great point to you. Right on April first, or much thirty whatever. Yeah, had this come out. Rochester. We had an incustody death. Here's the situation. How what? How can you separate the anger over the actual death of Daniel proved, who the lawyers say was to the lawyers are saying this was he's responsible. He's the one who chose voluntarily to take a draw which could have fatal effects, with no intervention from anybody. All right, so a man is dead for with, according to medical examiner, multiple causes to that death, and yet that death nobody talked about it until the family stood up. March to September, six months later. April to September, five months later. What are people most angry about. That's see, that's, I think, right. There is the million dollar question, or point, I'll even say, because you're right, people are going to have different thoughts about the depth of Daniel prude. Obviously I'm not going to say that the drug that he took...

...did not play a part of what happened. However, again, it might, with just my eyes, how it was handled also playing a part as to what happened. But you're right if, in the first place, very first place, when it's when has happened, back in late March or early April, if someone said, hey, there was a death by an from an unarmed man who was in police custody, we are looking at it and we're going to investigate it and we'll keep you posted as to what we find. I think a lot of this could have been avoided, because that's being up front and you're telling everybody the situation right off the bat. Like, listen, this happened. We're not we're not sure exactly how it happened. We're looking into it and we'll keep you updated as to what happened. How much of this could have been avoided if that was done. Let's second kick at the can came in August when the city realized that they had to fulfill the freedom of information request. So then we had a second kick at the cant right right, whether there's a couple, I'm not going to use that term. There were two opportunities to get the first opportunity is to get in front of it right in on March thirty one, or April first or the first week of April. What's say? All right, that's the opportunity to get in front of it. The second opportunity is to run parallel to it. That's in August. Wow, these are fantastic points. And the family gave the city another month and in that month we didn't hear anything about it. Yep, so I this is just me. The anger. The anger is multiplied. Maybe a bad analogy. You find out, you know your boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, partner, whatever. You find out they didn't tell you something. Yeah, you're angry at the act of what they did, whether it was your more the range of things that relationship spring right, the range of things. Something was done and then they didn't tell you about it. Right what are you more angry at the hiding or the actually, I got you. I got you. It's a great point. This is so, this is what and you know, lat a psychologist, I play. But that, to me, is what is. is where the visceral reactions are coming from. Because in continue correct me if I'm long. Kentucky, Brianna Taylor was killed and everybody knew the next morning. Yeah, they did. There was no it was and I mean we saw George Floyd because of by standard video. If right, it would somebody say if some buds were can be nuts. We don't have AMERICIS. If the ends, if the encounter with Daniel proved it happened, say at seven o'clock at night, when more people were out and somebody had videoed it and it had been out sooner. Now, there was his facebook video that the lawyers released. If somebody who was driving down West main or Jefferson whatever, who encountered Daniel prude and was narrating on his video about what was going on the person, there was the toad chuck drive. I mean this it was stuff that was there. But there weren't. It wasn't. There weren't a lot of people. It wasn't twelve o'clock in the afternoon where everybody's walking by right. Right. So with at three in the morning, it's kind of Righte for okay, well, we'll deal with this when we deal with it. But to me, the more we talked about when I think about it, the the anger is the fact that what took so long. Ka Correct. I...

...like you know, honey, I trusted you and you betrayed me, and I think that's how a lot of people feel toward their city in toward their leader, who also look like them. Right, you betrayed me, you lied to me. I trusted you that you would do better and you lied to me and I wounded and I'm angry because of that her, because you should have treated me better. Right. I have nothing to add to that. That's perfect. That's that's the great coming up right now. Before before we take that break, I did want to mention one thing, and to get this is not a political show, so we don't talk about national apology. Tis Too much other show. We're not going to. But what I want to say is, so our leader has covid right, the president of United States right now has covid so that is a reminder to everybody that it's not gone away, it's still here and you still have to take measures to keep yourself safe so you don't contract this virus. I will say this. They tested the president and a lot of his staffers around them and almost all of them have covid. On the other side, Biden was wearing the master and debates everything. They do, not just that's all I'm saying. Figure that out and I'm not throwing politics in there. I'm just saying once I'd wear masks, once I didn't. Once I asked Covid. One side doesn't. So wear your masks. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Ket got nothing for nothing but with you. Great, but let and the last thing I want to mention before we take our break to so also in the news a lot of football players, now professional football players, have contracted covid. Cam Newton, the quarterback for the New England Patriots, contracted covid. I was talking with some of my friends now. They don't play football in a bubble like the best, like NBA has been doing right. They still travel all over the country. The stay still playing different stadiums and some of those stadiums are allowing some fans to be in those stadiums. I've read something the other day. I think the governor wanted to Ninezero bills fans, you know, in the stadium, something like that. Yeah, you know what? No, it's not okay, right, okay, sports, the sports industrial complex. I'm not going to. I don't want to diminish the economic impact in communities, which is why, which is why sports teams hold communities hostage to build them stadiums, because if they claim this huge economic impact. So I don't have the figures for you. We're not going to. We're not going to get into that. But at the same time, what is the what is the cost of having these events with spectators and then the cost of having to potentially deal with covid outbreak? MMM, as flu season is approaching, it to me. No, we you know what, it is far more important that we get visitors in nursing homes and assisted living and we reunite families then it is that somebody gets to sit in a stand in the stands and watch, you know, lying then crash into each other. What's it? What's important to us? No, that is we can see it on TV, you can still have sponsors where, you still have online shopping. If you can't go out in person to do something. So...

...in one sense we are getting some economic impact from sports. Right, absolutely, put people in those stands. Know it just like high school sports. No, we talked about that last week. We did till math team gets to me. The suck team doesn't practice. Yeah, hund percent with you. Hundred percent with so everybody can go see grandma. Nobody's doing nothing, as far as I'm conture right, I agree with you. They listen. You should be happy that football is even out. There is you can watch on TV. Settle for that and move what I agree with you. All right. Last last I think I want to bring up before we take our break. As you said it earlier. You kind of mentioned it right now and I want to say it again. Get your flu shots. It's very important. You don't want to have flu and covid kind of competing with each other coming into this season. So do what you got to do. Get those flu shots. This is probably one of the most important times that I can remember that you should get a flu shot. I know people have excuses that an't like needles, that will think it works. Get your flu shot and so bother. We're going to take a break like twenty minutes ago. Right, we were we get teasing people that they could take their own little break, but no, stuck with us. Okay, couple things. The flu will not the flu shot will not give you the flu. Thank you. It is a dead virus. If you if you think you've got the flu after you get the shot, it can take a couple weeks to get full immunity and, as we warned with the novel coronavirus, there a lot of viruses going around. They can give you flu like symptoms. A flu shot will not give you the flu. And if insurance is an issue for you, the flu shot comes if you if you have insurance but you have a high deductible plan and you're worried about having a copay. There is no copay for a flu shot. Call Your insurer to make sure where you want to go is in network with them. There won't be. There's no out of pocket cost for you on that. And also the city is cheaming up with some city churches and also, I believe it's common ground health as well, putting combination flu and covid together places in the city. So Watch for that. I think there's an announcement coming up. I think it was scheduled to be today announcement on exactly where those places would be, but watch for that in the coming days. If you have questions, call three one in the city and they'll be able that city hall and they'll be able to help you out with that. So really they're trying to take down the barriers to that. So I going to be out of pocket cost for you. It will not give you the flu. See, the great petty singer Grews with me. There is no excuse. Get your flu shot all right. Thank you so much, Patti. Always appreciate it. Don't forget make sure you visit the minority reporter Dotnet. We did have some headline news. You may have missed that, but there were headline news that we had. So if you want to get the full versions of the headline news, please go ahead and visit the minority reporter Dotnet and also you'll have the opportunity there to you subscribe digitally or if you want the hard copy, that's also available. You can do that and also you can send any questions or suggestions to editor at minority reporter DOTNET. Thank you so much, Patti. I always appreciate you always appreciate you, Matt. All right, we finally are going to go ahead and take that break. Will be right back. Welcome back to inside the margins. My final thoughts will be quick today. Just want to reiterate two things that we already covered. Get out there and vote. I don't care if you do the mail in ballot or if you go there in person. If you need a ride, so I mean an email, I'll give you a ride, but just get out there and make sure you vote. It's important that you get your voice heard and you pick people that you want...

...to represent. You don't forget this is just not just national. This is locally too. That's going to be happening soon in November. Make sure you vote and get your flu shot. Why be sick? Okay, the flush has not going to get you ill. That's just a rumor. Go Get your flu shot. All right, let's get out of here. Thanks for checking US out. As usual, this is inside the margins and we will see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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