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Episode · 1 year ago

Relocation of the Jazz Fest


Jazz Fest moves to RIT..and and..additional footage released on the pepper spraying of a 9 year old girl.. 

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We're going to touch on that a little bit as today also, it looks like the jazz facts fast is making a comeback, but it's going to be a little different and we'll get into that as well. And covid numbers what's going on and the African, American and minority and the minority communities. Will touch on all of that and more. But first let me go ahead and bring in my good friend and also the best reporter in Rochester. In my opinion, it is the minority reporters, petty singer. Hello and good afternoon to you, Patty. Oh, but I got the big intro. I got to live up to it. Now under the radar, Mat under the rate. It's always a pleasure to have your Petti, Howur. Thank you. Thank you appreciate being here. I we got a lot to talk about, so we will just jump right into the stories that minority reporter has been working on. United in healing through hope organizers respond to city and county requests united and healing through hope. 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So this is a good day to order some pizza from salvators, but if you want any information on what they have or where they are, go to Salvatoriescom and you get the information about what they offer and where you're nearest. Salvators is sounds delicious right now, PA Dam, I'm starting for Pizza. All right, so before we eat pizza, let's go ahead and get into our topics. First one we'll jump right into, because I know this is the one that everyone's talking about, is the jazz festival. Now, this is a big festival. It's one of the biggest festivals in Rochter. It's the one that usually is found downtown. It's it covers multiple blocks usually in there's performances all over and there's local food and it's a good way for people who who live in the city or even outside of the city to see something that is fantastic representation of music and culture right downtown. And it's very easy for people who live downtown to get to but it's not going to be there this time. The good news is is coming back, Patty, but the bad news is, I don't know if it's bad news, but it's. But the news that may make it more challenging for some is that it's going to be at Rit which is a little bit more difficult for people who live in the city to get to. So, I mean I've been looking at the website for the the jazz fest in reading what is on the website about this and it's you know, they it's covid related. That the venues. You know that, to quote from Thee from the news release, with covid nineteen and health consequences squarely on the mind of all event goers, we find ourselves at a crossroads. You know, they're they're deeply grateful to loyal patrons, but it's early February brings us to a critical junction as we explore how to potentially present a festival, secure programming and put together the Plethora of figistics. So this is this. It takes a year to do next year's festival. I mean, since is it put together? Like you just going to call a few people, Hey, come on over, this is the logistics of this is incredible on this. So you know, they to go to our t our I t is six miles in less than fifteen minutes from downtown Rochester. Okay, distance and okay. So, to steal the mayor's line, all right, there are two rochesters. Yeah, we and we have known this even before Man Warren started to talk about to Rochester's festival organized to say they don't want to go another year without the ring a festival, so they go to our ike, which they claim has ourright. has experienced, you know, in in kind of covid facilities. You know they're running classes, they've got people there, so they sort of know how to do this. My in this is strictly opinion. Strictly opinion, just me as a citizen who gets, who gets a voice to be on Matt Show, unlike other people who would just talking to their to their friends maybe about this. Of venue is a venue. I have limited experience with the right camps. I took some classes there many years ago. I've been on campus as a guest in a couple buildings. So I'm not sure what buildings are going to use to have the space. If we still have to have distancing and things like that. Right what's I don't know how many auditoriums are on campus where they can fit, you know, lots of people in downtown. They had the one out of the churches. They had smaller venues or clubs, things like that. So as far as number of venues, I'm not sure how many of their were downtown. How many they are going to be at all? Right, there was also a lot of street performances downtown, which you can do. You know, our ike is a fairly open campus. You can have you can set up a lot around there. What, and this is just me, people, anything that comes out away from downtown right now, I have to think hurts the city. And is it hurting the city and is the city hurting itself because of the unrest we've been in all year? That's, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Mark Icona and John knwd, I don't know. I'm not in their heads. I haven't interview them about this. I have not asked them the question. Why are you leaving the city right right, but it the city's having some trouble right now. The city has a lot of unrest right now. You know, I go back to what we talked about last week with the single tarry's deposition and and I have to wonder, had Rochester announced the...

Danuel prude in custody death that happened in March, would we have even had George Floyd? Yeah, it's a fair question. You can't play. What if I get it you you can't share. Is the only one who could turn back time. Right. So, so we can't do that. But I I have to wonder in a parallel universe when a city announces and in custody death the way that death unfolded and we know what happened after everyone saw the video of joy of George Floyd and that police officer. Would that have happened had the country known what had happened here? That's that's a fair and again, question policies. I get policies, procedures. That this isn't about. I'm not criticizing the officers and what they did. That is for other people to do and that's for other people to change policies, practices and procedures. I'm just saying if we knew then what we know now, what would have been different? Yeah, Nope, I think it's I think it's a fair question. A couple things I want to touch on that you talked about. So the jazz fest itself, I guess. So here's how well I will put this out, and this is this is kind of how I'm always the person that's torn and I'm still turn again. That's just how I always have because I always because I always look at all options and see what's best right. So the first thing I'll say is having the jazz fest at Ourrit is definitely better than not having a jazz fest agreed. So that's still a step in the right direction. is to still have the because that I said, that's one of the biggest festivals in Rochter. We have brought an international talent to that festival. So it's a huge, huge thing to have people get a chance to experience Rochester and that's why I go into this. Second part is if you're having the festival at Orat you're not really experiencing Rochester. You're experiencing the campus of ourt which in itself it's a nice cat because I have been there for events and I think there's a chase run that they do, a five kid that they do there all the time. I was by Particol on that a few times. So it's a it's a huge campus. It's like a little city almost right. So it's definitely a spacious place, but you don't really experience Rochester if you're in and venue at Orit. When you are downtown in Rochester with the festival. That is a Rochester experience. You're in the city, you see what the city looks like, you are living and breathing and smelling and and experiencing Rochester New York, and people who have come from outside of the city to experience the festival get to explore and enjoy the city while enjoying the festival, which you can't really do with the festival being a rat. So I see that as well. Now to touch on what you said about the reasons why it's at you're right, it's speculation and and and again, I am also going to make sure I put this out there. This is also opinion, then I'm not. I'm not. I'm not spewing out facts here about the reasons why, because I have no idea what the actual reasons as the why they took it out of the city. But from what I understand, covid is one of the reasons. They feel that they can control the spread of covid better at ourt than if it was in the city. kind of I kind of can understand that. I kind of get that, but you're right, it's a part of me does feel like maybe things that have happened in the city, quote unquote prude, quote unquote other things, and the unrest that is still happening in the city right now may not may have played in the back of the minds also of saying, you know what, something made disrupt this festival and shed a negative spotlight on something that's supposed to be a good thing for Rochester. So to avoid any negative interactions with whatever, maybe moving it right now will help avoid that. That's not a factual statement, but there's there's just a part of me that things that somebody must have thought that in the back of their mind and I don't think we're the only two people talking about it and thinking that. Again, I you know, I have not called the organizers to say I've have the opportunity to do that. I've just really been been released and come up in the last few days and as I've been trying to mold this, you know, in my own heading. Will I put a call into them. Yeah, I will, buy will send an email to them and and and ask them this. But yeah, I mean they need to plan.

They need to know that they've got venues they don't know, you know, and what happens if covid comes, you know, resurges with variants and then we go back to say, you know, twenty five percent capacity of thirty two percent capacity and places. If you have a bigger space, you you have more, you know, face to work with. The other thing too, that they've going to think about is our people going to come and go inside? Now when you have things out outside again, Jazz Street, Give Street, would be packed with people. So if they have a parking lot at urt they may have more space for that. I don't know how you control an outdoor crowd keeping people six feet apart. I don't know how you do that unless you severely limit the tickets you sell, just limiting the people who can be there in the first place. When you're on the campus, a closed campus like that, it may be easier to do that. I never bought a ticket to the jazz fest, but I wandered around all right, so I was part of that, the street scene. I'm not sure how it's going to work with only people on the campus will be will be people holding tickets. So there aren't. You don't just wander in like you did downtown. So there's a way to control the crowd. Excellent, you know a little bit in that sense. So we know we've sold, I'm going to make this up, fifteen thousand tickets on it on a Tuesday night. Again, completely made up number. How can we apportion all these people on this x Acre campus to make sure we have some space? They're in a difficult situation and I'm not going to it's a tough situation to be in. There lot to bring something to the city, but as a city resident, anytime there's something that's taken out of my city and still has the name Rochester on it, I go back to what. Where is Rochester? What is Rochester? Is it the city? Is it Monroe County? Is it the region? What is Rochester? Right, you can stick that name on anything that's that's somewhere in the finger lakes and call it Rochester. I've never understood that and that just makes me think of this. What is so we're not going to call it Henrietta Jazz Festi because nobody knows are here in the area. Is So it's still going to and it's and, as they say, what is it? Six Miles in fifteen minutes. But Man, as you point out, six miles in fifteen minutes is a Gulf, is the Atlantic Ocean. Yep, to people who don't have reliable private transfer station right if you're a waiting bus transportation, especially if it's going to be a busy event and the buses are going to be jam packed or only have limited capacity to even allow people on the bus, as it could be a while before you actually get yourself there. So that creates a challenging and again, you're right. I think in the years of the jazz fest, similar to you, because I live downtown for a while before I moved out where I'm at now. I believe maybe one time I bought tickets for the for the other times I was just like you. I was just kind of you. Just you walk right into it. You're part of that. The street scene in the environment of the fest just kind of surround you. So you're just like, Oh, I'm kind of even though I didn't buy a ticket, I feel like I'm still part of it. You know, and you lose that. But you did make a good point and I thought about that and you and you said it, said it. It's I do believe it's definitely easier to control if you are in our IIGHT, because you have the ability to limit the people that are going to enter the campus. So you're right, if you if you're looking at it from a control aspect, it's much easier to control it on campus versus controlling it in the city where people like you and I bet in the past could just walk up in it and be part of it. That may not be you may not be able to do that. I'm almost certain you probably won't be able to do that with out with it being an right. So that's that. I'm sure that plays a big role as to why it's there too. But, like you said, it's there. There's you can't avoid it. It's almost like it's like trying to avoid someone having a heart attack at the room. You can't. You know what's happening. So you can't avoid the fact that there's there had to be a thought process, a process of someone saying, man, you know, Rochester still hasn't really fully recovered from what's happening what's happened and people are still things are still happening that reflect the unrest of the city and maybe just to play it safe, we pull it out of there to kind of avoid any negative interactions with with what's going on. One of the articles I read about this said that the city seemed to be caught off guard by it. Yeah, and if you read the same article, that's so, which that's what sort of started to be thinking about it when I saw that that they said they were caught off guard. Well, that that I'm thinking about it. You know what, what's going to happen with with fringe fest? It's fringe fest going to be able to come back and again. It's a similar...'s a similar event where it uses the city as the backdrop for for these events. Will and again you can just wander in. There are some ticketed events, there are some not ticketed events. You can just wander in and that's this nice because, oh, it's a random Thursday, I don't have all something exactly right, let go, let me go downtown and and and go to this. It's a spur of the moment kind of thing and you know, of it's changing a lot of what we do spur of the moment and this and this may be an example of it. Over watching. To still have it here a good thing. My hope is it it would come back downtown next year. And Hey, listen, that used to when I was working at my previous job, which was right next to prous so five. It would interrupt our whiffletball season on cross so five. I would be very upset that people would be playing on my lawn. Get off my lawn. We want to play wiffleball and we can't because of the set up for this right. So I would be very selfish. I got jazz fest. Come on. They taking up our whiffleball space, but no overhaul. It was a heap of lot better downtown and the little whiffleball games I organized with downtown businesses. But I so it need to me it needs to come back downtown for a variety of reasons. If we want to revitalize downtown, we have to have these kinds of applets. I think this is why some people move to the to the the the luxury apartments downtown. They want to be able to walk to these kinds of events and have this and they know if I'm living downtown. There's ten nights a year I'm going to have noise from a jazz festival. I'm going to deal with it, because this is why I wanted to live downtown, to have this at my feet. Yeah, and now it's not for them to I would like to see it back. Would like to see covid go away and have lots of things come back to the way they used to be, and this would be this would be one of them, to have that city vibe feel. I don't know. Jazz was not born in the wilds of the suburbs. No, it was that to me. To me it's kind of Oxymeronic to have a jazz festival and a huge that was so like, Oh, yeah, you know Yas, doesn't that really know? Yeah, exactly. They will do the best they can with this situation. I'm sure it will be a wonderful experience for many people who go. I just right, I'm just thinking of some other no, no, and I want to end there too, because I don't I don't want to. I'm not rating on the jazz fest I'm certainly not doing that. As I started off this this segment saying having the festivals better than not having a festival. So that fact, so the fact that it's actually happening is a great thing. But you're right, one of the one of the struggles of me leaving the city, Patty, was I enjoy things like that. I'm I'm I'm into the arts and I'm into entertainment and I'm in those kind of things and having the fringe festivals, having art festivals, having the Jazz festivals, that was the that's as what was so enticing to the city is those things were happening downtown and made you want to be there and you didn't. And it was the sporadic, you know, mentality of that as well as that. You could just, you can just, you could come home from a day of work at it could be five o'clock and you're like, man's that jazz music? I'm like, I don't think I'm walk down check that out and this is great and yeah, it needs that needs to be in the city for it debt. That is that is what city living is about, is being part of those kind of events. So you're right. Hopefully, once covid subsides or as controlled to some aspect and they start opening things up again, I hope you see the jazz fest return to where it belongs, in my opinion, which is downtown roster right. I mean the knights of the jazz fest. In the nights of the fringe fest, when you walk downtown, you felt like you were in a city absolutely energy. There were there were all different types of people. You know that everybody was was there and you you you could feel that energy. That the other three hundred and some odd nights of the city of the year, you just you just didn't feel a great that's we're going to at it right there. That's perfect. All right. We have more topics. Will jump into additional footage was released of the incident, can you know, with the police and the young girl. Will get into that right after this break. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to inside the margins. I'm here with Patty and thanks for hanging out with the Patty. Always appreciate your company. This is Monday, baby. Yeah, and this is Monday. It's President's Day too. It's presidents this is our Monday. Yeah, so, and we're still working on presidents day. Look at that. So another story. That's that's still in the headlines, which under the story that made National News and regards to the police and they're involved with the nine year old, the nine year old girl who was cuffed and pepper sprayed. A few of the officers were actually suspended and put on administrative leave, and also additional footage of the incident was released. I did not I don't have the audio to play,...

...which I don't don't need to think we need to. anyways, if anyone's has had a chance to see or listen to the additional footage, the want. The part of it that got the most attention was the interaction with an officer and the mother of the child and the mother who was yelling, you know, profanities at the child and also at passers by, and then the officer kind of, you know, letting her have it because he was not happy with the how she was acting and and was claiming that she was making the incident worse than she apologize and, you know, again, you could see you could pretty much go to any media website that you want to. It'll it'll be there, but that's the one that got the most attention, the part of the video that got the most tension. That I that I thought on the media. What's your thoughts on that? Whole interaction between the officer and the mother. A yeah, afterward you having watched it, I can understand his frustration. I can appreciate his frustration because if you follow the video from the get go, yeah, it appears to be the same officer who goes to the initial call. So he's talking to it. It sounds like the same voice, but you don't see him because he's the only body camera at that point. So he's projecting out right. You don't see him until others arrive and then you see camera footage of him. So if you listen to the very beginning, which was not released initially, so the initial call, what's going on? Both of them seemed to be very calm. Somebody took her vehicle without permission. Apparently there's some other there have been some history there whatever. So then somewhere along the line here's and I didn't I didn't pick it up right away, but the daughter is what may harm herself or she's some distress. So he goes off down the street after her and you know you're not in trouble. I Hey, I want to talk to you. Don't make me, don't make me chase you. You know what's going on right, and the tone of voice is very much hey, what's going on? What's going what's up? So then he starts to hear a story that somebody stabbed and he would wait a minute. So things start to get confusing for the officer. There's a lot of information is who takes in? The mother comes on to that scene. The mother daughter have words, pastors by all of a sudden, this is things are happening that I don't think he had planned on right. He has to control a coupled scenes here, the daughter, the mother and the daughter. The pastors by does Blat. There's an awful lot happening before others come to help him with this. So you know, through all that, the daughter becomes upset. Daughter wants or dad. From the officer's words it appears that the mother really wasn't helping the situation in the officers eyes. HMM. So he goes back's like, you know, based on Powaphrasing, could you have helped me out here? It's the sense I got from the officer. The sense I got from the officer was that it was made more difficult M for whatever reason. Right the incident escalated big phrase. We talked about the escalation. We want to d escalate. It's hard. It's hard to de escalate from my own experience in in, let's see, arguments, but in disagreements or differences of opinion. I think all the parties involved in the disagreement have to want to de escalate. MM HMM. All right. I was in a situation recently where it was so another job that I have and somebody wasn't happy with the way I was performing that job. I I chose to walk away because this the person directing comments at me. I knew that person was not going to de escalate right right. Person had no interest right in d escalating. So it was up to me to just walk away. A police officer can't do that. Yeah, a police officer cannot let this child go down the street when the officer knows the child has said she's going to hurt herself. Now, fast forward to the end of the body camera footage, when they the ambulance is there and the girl is they're taking care of her eyes and they're talking. Somebody, I don't know if it's the officer or not, says you said you can hurt yourself. Will you just say in that because you were mad. The tone comes way down. Yeah, the tone is the same as it was initially because, guess what, all that periphery stuff is gone and now the focus stays on this child. There aren't passers by, there aren't other people who around. The focus can be with this child and then...

...and then the you can almost hear the conversational tone coming back in. Now. Should there be training that? No matter what the environment, no matter what the stimulus is, the officers have to still keep that conversational tone? Yeah, I don't think any was going to argue that. You they they shouldn't be trained in doing that. Being trained in doing it and being able to do it are different things. Is that where the mental health professionals come in? Because they are. But is a mental health provider, as a social worker, trained to be in an uncontrolled environment, the street, people passing by in public, and being able to keep that focus and being able to practice what they may be able to do in an office setting where they can control the environment? Remember, you're on the street, uncontrolled environment, you don't know who's passing by. You look at the video, there are there are some men who pass by in the street and a couple of the officers say there's something, there's some conversation and the and the men walk away, but this is a street. People were coming and going. How do you and again maybe we'll find this out as the FIF team rolls out and things like that, how do you then move a person in crisis into a more controlled setting rights? So what you said is very important and I want to I want to kind of elaborate a little bit because I'm gonna go out. I'M gonna go down the same road that you just went there, Torelli, is huge. Tonality is huge. The tone of voice and what you talked to someone, especially someone who's a strat's probably one of the biggest factors of trying to calm down a situation. If your tone is here, you're bring the situation. You can't see my arms. Yeah, everyone who does UN radio just Nice TV. These his arms above his head. He said, if your tones up here, the others. Yeah. So, so Matt did a nice visual on radio. Way To go, buddy. I've been doing reader for a long time. I don't know what just happened there, but like that, I liked it. So if you're if you're if your tone is raised, and the situation and the and the environment and everything around you gets amplified to the tone, the tone that you're using. If you bring your tone down you you may also bring down the apple amplification of what the situation is. So I certainly believe tone, eladi is huge. Now this goes back to what we talked about in our previous episode, is the working together factor of the pick team and also the roster police. So in a situation like that, because I do think once once you realize it's a distraught child, that's when a professional person who works with who handles children in that and that aspect, we should be brought in. And you're right, you're on the street and the street is it's you don't know what's going to happen. All right, it's there's an uncertainty of WHO's going to come in, is going to come out when you're on the street. So that's where you use the police right. You can kind of have the the police kind of take care of the parimeter and not let people enter the scene of what's happening while the pit team is there to to help the child out. That's the unity, that's the working together where you have the police. Okay, listen, we're going to be around, we're not necessarily going to be there with the child because we've we have found out that this shell does not really it is not really gained. Jurists are carrying a weapon. We think that you guys can handle this. What we will do, though, is we will we will protect the scene. We will not let other people enter to kind of mess up what you what you're working on. If you are if you, if the team is beginning to get control the situation, you don't want to that outsider to jolt that and mess it up again. So you can use the police to kind of keep that scene unoccupied from from passer bys or anybody else, while the while the team is working on trying that, trying to calm the child down and get her in a place of mind where she needs to be so weak, so everyone is safe. That's an excellent point. That is controlling the environment, that is, let them. You're right. That has to be this has to be a team response. You're absolutely correct, and that the team is that we will. We will give you a perimeter inside which you can operate. Now, again, if you look at if you look at the body if you look at the footage, and I got to tell you, you may want to do something if you if you get seasick, you may just want to listen to this. Yeah, because he's got it this seriously. I just spot stomach was flishen because of the movement. But anyway, yeah, so there's one point in the in the footage where they hear sirens and so they apparently have called for an ambuence and they think that's the ambulance. Know it's a fire truck. Okay. Adding to the confusion of this scene is either across the street or...

I think it's next door, there's an apparent overdose. So they're doing with the child. There's I don't know just what six or seven police officer, got to be at least six, right, right. And then the next thing you know, half of them peel off to deal with it with somebody. There's a person, unresponsive, person out a porch. So there's a lot there. And then so the fire department comes and deals with the person who has the medical emergency. They I think they call it an overdose or suspected overdose or whatever, and you see a couple of the officers are just there with this person until the Fire Department comes. One of the one of the officer, says, I I've got knock can. I don't know if they use it whatever. So does any of this excuse pepper spraying a nine year old? No. But, as Reverend Michael Vaughan writes this week, we have to look at the whole picture here of what is happening and what needs to be fixed and how we can fix this before we just say all police are bad. Right. I've always been a person to maintain, and you said it last week as well, as unfortunately we live in a world where there are people who are intent on doing bad things. It's just that's the reality of life is as much as I like to believe in people, which I and if you know me, you know I believe in people. I believe in people wholeheartedly. I think there's I think you can find get at almost anybody, but there are people out there that are just intent on being bad and doing bad things and unfortunately, person in crisis team or a person who is going to evaluate mental health is not going to stop a person who wants to kill somebody or who is intent on robbing the bank or whatever. Those people are still going to do that, no matter how much analysis mentally you give them. So you still need someone to deal with those kind of people. Now you set it perfectly patty manual. Children and I said it last week and I'll say this week, I'll said any week, should not be sprayed in the facebook pepper spray. I not going to change my stance on that. However, you can't say police are bad get rid of them. That's also not the answer. The answer is finding that happy medium, finding finding a way to get everyone involved so everyone comes out of this safe and been better after that, better, but the situation gets resolved without with the least amount of damage done to anybody possible, and and that includes and that includes the police. That it doesn't easy people too. So we don't. We don't want to dam exem again. Are we looking at policing? That's a narrow slice, or we looking at public safety? That is a bigger and of course I got some good radio here going. I got my honest friend why, Matt went high. I'm going to why red to the yeah, visuals here. That that is a wider picture. You want. You want a slight. If you have a pie look at a pie. Write. Police is a slice of a public safety hi. Absolutely, absolutely, look at a slice. Oh, we're going to look at the whole pie. And that's, I think, what people like Michael Vaughan are writing about. Of We need to we need to look at all the pieces of that Pie, not just one of them, but the the footage is, I think, instructive in a couple ways because it shows what a police officer deals with in the environment in which he or she responds to a call. All these officers showed up initially with this nine year old. Half of them get diverted to the overdose leave, leaving a few of them to figure out what you do. Were their mannerisms, I think, for people who don't know about police work, yes, the mannerism seemed incredibly harsh and shocking. And should they have been? No, I mean you hear the kids say. You know, they say the kid, you're acting like a child. I am a child. Yeah, yeah, they but you know what, and I go back to what we talked about last week and even the week before, how do you start a pilot program and say the police cannot call the team that's doing the pilot program how can you do that. And why has there not been a news release yet saying I haven't seen one? Maybe it's maybe it went to my spam folder and if it did, I will I will retract this state. I have not seen a news release that says pick has reevaluated the pilot and they are letting rpd call the pick team. RPD called the FIT team a week or so ago for somebody at the Skate Park. The fit team is county wide. That's the county forensic intervention... I have not seen anything that says RPD can call the pick team. That to me should have been changed immediately. Two days it was two days later on this will still have the will, still will still going to dispatch pick alone or pick first to these couple, to these the three calls that we started with. But if our PD gets it, goes to a call and figures this is not criminal, it may have started criminal, but they have started violent. They have started with a weapon. There's a large component of this that is mental health. They can call pick and they they'll figure out how to work together, as Matt suggested, set up a perimeter, do something to keep you know. We'll look you lose away. Let the pick team do its job and then in a debrief they'll right up what what happened to this and how we could either do it better or how maybe this can be one of our practices going forward. But do not buy the police hands behind their back. Yeah, don't. That to me is very kind of productive. Yeah, I know, I know you said it before, that the wood it could have shown as no one likes to hear that, but it's the fact is the best way you you solve any situation, especially if you have the resources, or you say that you have resources, is to use all of your resources. Right. That's that's the whole point. And now only should you use all your resources. Used to be in unity, use had work together. If everyone kind of okay, listen, everybody wants the same you said this, I don't know on how many shows. At the end of the day, everybody wants the same end result. Right. We don't want anyone hurt, we don't want anyone killed and we want everyone to go home safe, and that includes the police, that includes the person that you're trying to calm down. Then the passer by is everybody. Everybody. That the whole the goal, the end goal is the situations resolved, everyone was taken home or went home safe at the end of the day. And the only way you get there is you have to work together. You can't say we're only doing it or you're only doing it. Yes, and listen, this May and dismay. This may involve all aspects. This may involve a little policing, this may involve a little bit of pick team. You know, person in crisis team is fain involved a lot of things. Who knows? But let's all work together so we can get this end result. If you don't do that, you end with bad things, in my opinion. Yeah, I would the I would agree with that. Yep, all right, we got a little time left. Let's go ahead and jump right into our next topic. And they you actually there's a story being done on this by the minority reporter. It's regards to the vaccinations and the numbers for African Americans, and there's none. There's that way. Is that? Is that what I'm hearing? There's no, really is not much information to look at right now. As of last week there wasn't any. Apparently there was. So there was a news conference on Wednesday, I think, with the the vaccine hub finger lakes, the Vaccine Task Force in the Vaccine Hup, and I had actually had asked the question the week prior to that, saying where's where the vaccine numbers for African Americans, for blacks and Latinos? Oh and, by the way, also, where are the numbers of about just the the the the number of cases of covid sure I haven't seen. We haven't seen those numbers haven't been updated in a couple months. Yeah, so we don't know what the status is on that. We don't have any any good idea of blacks and Luchinos who were getting vaccinated. I was thinking of that when I read the story about the university and how it's it's they it sent that email out erroneously to some people who got some vaccine. Even though they caullit. They were eligible under the criteria of the time. Right. Nevertheless, the way they got the vaccine raised a few eyebrows. So that got me thinking, where are the numbers for blacks and Latinos, because I know so they so the state in the county they hold these what they call pop up vaccine sites, which to me, if it's going to be a pop up vaccine site. It would be open to everybody. Right, it just pops up and there you are, shows up. What by you can going do it? Well, now, these are by appointment only. So to me that's a little bit of a misnomer. And they'll send out, they'll send out media releases on this, like they want us to cover it. And then, well, but nobody can go unless you've been invited. So why we got to come these? All right, I I digress. So they've had a couple of these now, I think two or three in the city, in which several hundred people at a time have been vaccinated. But those are those are specific, targeted invitation events. What about just the random person, the random black or Latino person? What's what's their opportunity to get vaccinated? How many have been vaccinated? Now that eligibility...

...has expanded to people with underlying health conditions? It's not a secret about high blood pressure and long disease and obesity and diabetes and black community. They're still is there still is a limited number of vaccine and more people are eligible for it. Where are the numbers? Yeah, that's very you would, I think you would have thought less state had learned from the nursing home to baccle. Can we get the data out people? You would have I would have thought they would have learned from from that situation that we need to be we need to have some data. Yeah, we could do five shows on that situation alone. But but that's a whole different thing. But yeah, you're right, you would think after that, obviously, because that's a mess, you think that you'd want to get this information out there too. Why? I don't understand why there isn't any information, especially the fact were, if you recall, not just a governor but also a lot of our local leaders were talking about the the importance of making sure that the vaccine was going to be readily available to people of Color and all and the communities that have minorities, because they were afraid that they were they were going to be left out or right. So that was a big thing. There's a big speaking point for all the local our local leaders of local elected officials. So why would you not have this day? I was should not have this data. That makes those sense. Well, and that was the point I made at the news conference. I said in the in the point in the story is that if you don't have this in the state is not accountable, because there's no accountability if you can't say where these are going. And so here's the thing. So there is a how did I? How did I were this? There is was what was available and what was distributed, because those are going to be potentially different. Sure, gears, Yep, because you could have a lot sitting in a freezer, but then not what per second of that was distributed? And then and then actually use, because that's going to say what you're what your efforts are at reaching, at reaching these hard to reach people and everything you say you want to do. So the how many doses are available for the population? HMM. And then of that, what the what percentage of that dose actually got delivered to people for vaccinations? Now they also said that when you talk about vaccine scarcity, they're talking about first dose. Right. Will Get a first dose. They are scheduled for the second dose. I have not heard any, you know, the official say the second doses are being delayed. We did hear stories from, I think, other parts of the world where they were saying, let's not do a second dose so we can give more people a first dose and and hopefully spread that out a little bit. But here you're being scheduled for your second dose and and I have not heard anybody saying they're so. So you have an ether? I haven't either. I know I know of personally for people who have gotten their second dose, and that was a priority. If I remember also, it was like, listen, we're we are short on supply here, but if you've gotten your first dose, you will second dose. That was that was a priority set in almost any conference that I've heard. So that does not see you. I agree with you. That is not seemed to be the case with the second dose. But I still, I just still find interesting that there's so much been being set about how important it is to get this out to the African, American and minority communities, because they're the underdeveloped areas and they're the ones that are most important. Is because we don't want to see issues and disparity with getting not getting that community vaccinated. Yet there's no information to see out there to say that you're even trying to do that. So why would you? I don't understand. I guess I'll understand, Patty. Yeah, so let's all just have be silent for ten seconds. In Shrug, and that's you. Know Radio like. I have no idea. All right. Well, Patty, as always we are out of time. We always try to get to well, I think we touched on most of our topics today, but there's still a lot more to talk about. Obviously, cold it is still an issue. We'll probably talk more about what's happening with jazz past when we get more information on that. 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