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Episode · 1 year ago

Arrest of Mayor Warren's Husband

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We break down the arrrest of Mayor Lovely Warren's husband. We also talk about Rochester's first black police officer Charlie Price.

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Well, hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. Man, I tell you what, the weather around here to me is nutty. It's either winter or summer. It seems that we don't really get a fall or spring. Went from cold to hot real fast. But I shouldn't complain too much because we have a lot of no usually, and right now it's not doing that. So let's just enjoy what we have now. A lot of a lot of things happening in our city. I'm sure everyone has heard by now that Rochters Mayor Mayor Lovely Warren her husband, has been arrested in ties to drugs and firearms. We have audio from Sandra Dorley and also from your lovely Warren herself, speaking about the incident. We're going to play that audio. It was exclusively, exclusively but it was obtained by the minority reporter. Patty was there. We got the audio. We're going to kind of break down that audio and also what did happen and and what we are waiting to see happens further in regards to those charges. Also, I was talking to Patty earlier. In regards to mask obviously we know now mask mandates have been very much loosened here in the state of New York. You can pretty much go in most places. There are still some places you can't go, but most places you don't have to wear a mask anymore. If you've been vaccinated. I've kind of seen some weird things depending on where you are. We're going to kind of talk about that a little bit. And also the minority reported that a nice piece on Rochester's first black police officer. We're going to also talk about that as well. But before we get into all of that news, let me go ahead and bring in the person that helps me dissect all of this information. It's the minority reporters, patty singer. Hello and good afternoon to you, Patty. I like we're back in what ninth grade biology rights, the frogs and everything on the table. Well, and I tell you, this is really kind of can be just as complicated and confusing and everything else. Absolutely I totally agree that. So the mayor was not at home when this happened, it turns out, but we got word and I forgot which did. It was patty enough to help me with my memory. I want to say it was Wednesday. I think you are correct. I believe it was Wednesday. We got word that they were state officers, state troopers, in the vicinity of Mary Love You Warren's home and people reporting that the people are being cuffed and taken out of the House. So everyone was like, what's going on there? Mary Lady Warren's not there. We weren't sure if there was something happening there to her home or if something something, that someone was being arrested their. Turns out there was an arrest there. Mayl lobbly warrens husband, who they are separated. However, they are still living together. MARYL will be Warren's husband, was arrested and they are drug charges pending, as well as firearm chargers. There are also others who were arrested as well. I believe another cousin another family numbers were also involved with this. So everyone. Obviously the first question everyone asked, Patty, is the mayor. Her involvement? Does she what did she know? What didn't she know? The officers to take troopers had a conference as well as Sandre do really she was there as well. She kind of broke down why the arrest happened and we do have audio from this. So the first thing I want to play, Patty, is we're going to play audio. I believe this is from Sandra Dorley. She's explaining how the investigation and folded and then we're going to get into some of the questions that you ask as well as far as how significant this drug bust is in the history of bust in Rochester, and also we're the guns were found, and send rover also talks about the the the political aspect of this is there, as was there political reasons or motivations as far as this so first let's play how the investigation unfolded. Sets so seven months seven months ago, based upon information that we've had in law the law enforcement community, we decided to go up or commands, a wire tap investigation, title three investigation against certain targets. Again, during the course of that and Timothy Grandson was not one of those targets and this was originally an investigation that was led by...

...the Rochester Police Department and Granite. During the course of that wire tap investigation, the evidence led us to Timothy Grandison. At that point, in order to preserve the integrity of the wire I asked at the New York State police come in and run that end of the wire tap investigation and take it separate apart from the Rochester Police Department. So, just to adds up, Timothy Grandison as the husband of Mary Lovely Warren, in case everyone was wondering who what, whose name that was. So, Patty, that was one of the question that you asked and regards how the investigation unfolded. Right. So the other thing too, is granted is the greater rogers to Area Narcotics Enforcement Team, and that is, I think it's it's what it sounds like. So it's numerous law enforcement agency in the air area work together on narcotics. So she said a little bit of a jargon in there. Just to go back to what you said, someone, someone asked about were any of the other people who were arrested related, and she said she used a term cousin, but she did not know if that was a blood relationship. Okay, no, many times people will call each other right cousin. Yep. So she was not clear and that was more for the investigation. Now there were numerous things she didn't answer. She's saying this isn't this is an active investigation. People asked what could the mayor be implicated? She didn't comment on that, you know. She said they're more searches need to be done. More people could be implicated or charged in this. She did not when she was asked several times about, you know, what was the mayor's involvement, and she just she didn't comment. Okay, that, Yep, Yep, I did. Now again you can find this video, by the way, if you go to the minor reports facebook page, they have this video and including also Maryl will be Warren's response. Both videos are available there on the minority reporters facebook page. So if you want to see the entirety of this these videos, you can certainly check those out. So the obviously the first question everyone asked because there's a race happening right Patti, the mayor, the mayor the Meryl Racism Happening Relatively soon. So everyone asks. Is this a Putt of thing? Is The reason why this happening? Is there politics involved with this? And this is what Sandra Dorley had to say in regardless. Actually, she the first comment she made was she goes, people will ask if this is political, right, so she didn't even wait for the question, but she did not. You're absolutely correct. So this is her you're right. This is not really in a response to a question, but she knew that this would be a question, obviously right, and she just rape she just preempted the question. Yep, yeah, that's because that's that's going to be a lot of the first thing a lot of people's mind this happening so close to the election. So this is her list. was what she said in the guards to that. Well, I'll start with this because I'm sure they're going to be people out there who think that this is politically motivated. It was not. Timothy Grandison was not the original target of this wire investigation. Approximately seven months I met with members of law enforcement. We had a target. We began to go up on phones, as we do with a wire tap investigation. During the course of the investigation, Timothy Grandson became apparent to us as being a player in this narcotics ring and it was at that point that we followed. We followed the evidence, simply. Is that so? According to Sandrad Dorley, Patty, Timothy Grandson was not originally a target in this investigation. They were investigating others and as the investigation folded it became clear that he was part of this and that's when they began to target him. Is that correct? Well, my and my understanding, he was. He yes, he was. They he got on the right are as, it were. So yes, you'd behave they with somebody that they were watching along with the other I want to say there were seven or eight, I think. I think you're right. I don't have it right in front of me, but yeah, there were. There was a handful plus of people who were arrested on various drug and weapons charges. Right, so, yeah, so, so there was a water, a broader lens you being used. They were trying to catch other people, but as they were investigating those it became evident others were involved in this and they and that's how Timothy Grannison they they found that Timothy Grandison had a part to play in this. We don't know, obviously, still we don't know exactly what his role in this is. They that's not been made clear, but we just know that he's part of this. So, Patty, you asked a few great questions. Obviously, the first one that we played is how the investigation unfolded. You also asked because a lot of people were wondering. So where were the guns? And now we understand that the that the mayor and Timothy Grandison are separated.

However, they do live together now. Obviously there's a lot of questions asked there, because when you're separated from someone sometimes you kind of stay out of their business, right, because you no longer considered a couple. However, according to the mayor, that they decided to stay in the same house to raise the still raise the children. Well, she used the term coparent, Cope parent, and and so the the I mean, I I'm not up in the mayor's business. Right, the mayor's business is the marriage right right, my business is is my business. So I didn't know when she announced Thursday afternoon that several years ago they had a separation agreement. I don't know that that took anybody. I don't know if that was a surprise to anybody. Like I said, I'm not. I'm not up in her business. I don't that's her life, is her life. So I don't know if people were surprised, if that was the first time the community had heard that. I don't know, but she said they had agreed to co parent and so as far as what the proximity in the house, how often both are there together, she didn't go into that right I just wanted to make sure that we we were clear on that, because the obvious question that everyone always comes to before I play this clip on where the guns were found is if you're married, you kind of you know you're around each other, you know a lot of what each other are doing. You know when your wife goes to work, you know when your husband goes to work and vice versa. You know school and all that stuff. So you know, you pretty much know each other schedule and what you're doing and when you're doing it. Being separated, that tends to change. You still know stuff because you're still parents, obviously, but you may not know everything that's that's going on because you're separated. So you're kind of doing your kind of living, quote unquote, separate lives. We don't know what the extent to that is. I know the house is still listed as Mayor Lovely Warren's residents. So I did. We don't know the extent of the separation and I'm sure that unfold later on. We don't we don't know. But I digress. There was a question asked by you, Patty, about where the guns were found, and here was the answer. Well, we did to go back because they had mentioned during the course of the State Police, state trooper, the major had mentioned and that there were three, three handguns along and along gun or rifle, semi automatic rifle, and they had say anything. So I had. Well, but that was a context that he just mentioned the guns were were found. He didn't provide any context for that. Right. That led to the question. All Right, here is the response. One of the firearms was found at the mayor's residence. There was one firearm at Birch Crescent and the third firearm was at Electric Avenue. The semi automatic rifle was also found in the mayor's residence. So what I understand there was a handgun and a rifle at the mayor's residence. That's my understanding at this time and it looks like the handgun, they're saying is not registered in his legal the rifle they're still seeing if it, you know, goals an of the rules of the safe act. So they have not deemed the rifle illegal at this time yet, but they have with the handgun. That's my understanding at this time. That was my standing to somebody also asked if it was loaded and they said there was a if I'm remembering this correctly, that there was a loaded magazine right which counts is loaded, even if that magazine is not not in the in the gun. So again, I'm not I'm not a weapons expert. I don't know how all that works, but someone else did ask that question, whether whether it was loaded. So there was a magazine right there. That's exactly the same information. I understand as well. At the magazine itself was loaded and I do believe under the New York State Law that that does count as a loaded weapon. So even if it's not any right exactly the into the gripple, however you engage whatever the handgun rights exactly correct. So obviously roster has some history and there have been other drug busts in the history of Rochester. Now the one of the question that you asked was as far as drug bust go, and Rochter as that, you know, the biggest of all time and very, very small words, is fall. How significant is this in regards to to drug bust? This is something that we need to be aware of because it's a huge way. Now, granted, illegal drugs are legal drugs, but there's obviously a patty. There's a difference between having a little baggy of like cocaine in your pocket versus Keels of it. Right, right, yeah, yeah. So, so that's kind of where this was going. As you want, you just kind of want to get an idea as this. Is this something that's kind of big time, or is this a like Small Street Crime Times that are happening? So this was the answer to that question. Well, I think it's very significant. Again, you know, we would deem this to be midlevel suppliers and if you...

...think about the amount of cocaine that we were able to seize, with a street value of over Sixtyzero, that's significant. And again, that was powder and crack cocaine. So that was sandor really talking right there. And so she said there was powder and crack cocaine and sixtyzero dollars. was that worth of drugs are in cash and I said know, captas she said, there was a street value of approximately sixtyzero. Thanks. And apparently there was also about a hundred thousand dollars cash seized at some point in these raids. I don't know if that was all in one place or that was the total that they ceased. Okay, so, so. So now we have kind of understanding. So there was approximately sixtyzero worth of drugs that they that they see approximately about a hundred thousand dollars of money that was seized and sounds like about for weapons, for weapons that were seized right so on. So that's just to get a clear understanding. We're going to we're going to play. What we're trying to do is play all the other we have for your first and we come back from our break will cond of turn break it down. So the last thing I want to play before we took our break. The mayor did respond to all of this. She did not take an questions, she just had it. She just had a response that she went to give and this was all she has said at this time. I'm sure they'll be more said in the coming days and who knows by the time we're on now something else to be inside. But right now this is what the mayor said. The video itself, if you go to the minority reporters facebook page, the Marriora's response is about six minutes long, a little over six minutes, I believe. The video with the the troopers and send your Dorley that that was about twenty four, twenty five minutes long. So both of those are available on facebook if you want to see both of these in their entirety. Great job, by the way, with the video and audio coverage this, Patty's when let you know that. Give you, give you a so thank you, you, no problem. So okay. So here is, here is, this is about two minutes of that six minutes of the marriage spine. So this is her talking about what questions should we ask and regards to this bus. So this is mare, lowly worn. I find the timing of yesterday's events, three weeks before early voting starts, to be highly suspicious. There's nothing implicated me in these charges and now today, because I've done nothing wrong. I haven't spoken at him since he's his arrest and I'm not standing here to defend him again. We had a separation agreement that was signed years ago and we made a conscious decision to co parent the best interest of our daughter, to provide her the love and support that she deserves. But we still need to ask ourselves why. Why would they do this now? Because they saw, like you saw, that the momentum was building in our favor in the mayor race and I was going to be found innocent in my election law case because I did nothing wrong. Let's ask ourselves why, after I announced we were moving forward with reparations and universal basic income and dropping fifteen hundred long sizes billboards and radio ads, they saw like you saw. Let's ask ourselves why, at the exact time that the police we're knocking at my door, the New York Times, all the way from Manhattan, was sending me an email asking me about this. Finally, we need to ask ourselves, if this it's not about politics, why is Tim's next court date June twenty one, the day before primary day? Now that's quite the coincidence. Now, when you figure out those answers to those questions confined because I'll be working. So that was the mayor. That was Mayor Lily Warren's response to what happened, Patty. I just wanted to make sure our listeners were clear. So, obviously the arrest still is pretty close to the Miryal election, but with the mayor said at the end that it was kind of weird that the the scheduled court date was June twenty one, which is one day before the mayoral primary. She thought it was political, but actually it was GRANNIS's lawyer who asked for date weeks off because he has an out of state trial. So this wasn't necessarily picked by GRANTIS's lawyer, but it was a it was a date that was kind of agreed upon to help out the the lawyer because...

...he already had prior commitments. All right. And and the calendars, if you're ever in it's ever been in court and you've heard them talk about next date and it's the calendars come out and know, I know, how about this, how about this? Huh? And sometimes it can take, yeah, a bit of time, right, and you know, if you've ever covered or been involved in any kind of court situation, you know that there can be delays. Yep. So this is that's a good that's good context to provide, Matt that you you know you had that information that that came from sort of a conference between the lawyers, lawyer in the in the judge, trying to get a date on the calendar right. Yet I because I just want the listeners and no before they make their or whatever judgment they make, just to have the facts. And it's great now. I don't want again. I also in the fair full disclosure. I'm not saying the mayor intentionally said that. Again, she wasn't there at the arrest and this with this was made shortly after. You know, she kind of quickly put the guns are going to say. So she may not have known this either. So this may have just been an opinion that she had in regardless, this before she got the facts as well. So I'm not trying to say that the marriage trying to steer anyone wrong. I'm just I just want to make sure that the listeners understand exactly why that court date is that date. It's not because a political person decided that they wanted to make sure that they put it on that date and have it be a big day for court. So all right, so we're going to give you a chance that I sect all of this petty. are going to kind of break this down. WE'RE NOT gonna we're not going to tell you opinions. We're just going to try and give you facts of what happened and I give you an idea what has happened and what you can expect to hear maybe later on in the future. But first we're going to take a break. This is inside the margins. All right, welcome back to insteade of margins. I'm here at Patty. Okay, there's a lot to break down here. We played some audio from the state police, from Sandrad Dorley, also from the Mayor Herself, lovely Warren, and regards to what happened in her response to it. So what are the facts as we know it right now, patty? So there was a seven months investigation under the Monue County District Attorney. They get a wire tap. They that wire tap. At some point the mayor's husband became came on that wire tap. They realized that somehow he was they I don't know, hurt his voice whatever. At that point, when they realize who that was, they brought in the state police to continue the investigation because they wanted they didn't want any conflicts of interest or anything like that and so was last Wednesday. The state police, I believe, made a traffic stop and Timothy Grandison was involved in that. The state police charged him and then subsequently charged other people with allegations of drugs and and weapons the mayor. Sander Dorley said, you know, the mayor has not been charged, and the mayor said that she was. She was not there to defend her at this point. I guess a strange husband. They have separation agreement but they're co parenting their daughter and its sounded to me that the mayor is very focused on running the city and and the the upcoming election. She seemed very adamant that those were her priorities at this point and the welfare of her daughter. And Sander Dory said they still had other things to investigate on this and so that's being taken care of on the other side. I okay. So yeah, there's so's. There's still a lot to unfold. We don't know at this time if anyone else is going to be charged in this. They just said that the investigation is ongoing. So other people may be involved. This what we see now, maybe the extent of it. We don't know yet. So as more light as being shut on this. We will know what's going on. So in order for you, again, I want to make sure I stay state this as much as I can in order for you to fully understand this, I I employ you to watch the videos of the in the their entirety on the minority reporters facebook page. You want to heard a couple of clips of what we played. We didn't play mayor, the mayor's full reaction, we did not. We not play the the full audio from the police and also from Sandra Doorley. We only played you snip it. So if you want to hear all of it, which I thought we always suggested to hear everything so you can come to your own conclusions, go ahead and visit the minority reporters facebook page. They did a very good job. Patty herself did a very good job with the audio. The audioce crystal clear. You can see who's there and you could hear and understand what everyone's saying. I don't think there's enough information, Patty, for anyone to draw any conclusions with the merit at this time yet. I se there's more. There are other shoes to...

...drop, if you will, in this case. So going forward we should wait for more and for inition to come out, but what we do know is that there is an election coming up soon. There will be people that probably do believe that this has something to do with that. There will be other people that don't, would that will not believe that, but I will say this is certainly not what our city needs right now. The mayor has already has is coming out of, I guess I won't even say coming out. She's still involved with other legal issues. They're still pending at this point in time. So to have this also thrown into the mix right before an election and in a city that's already hurting from other things and other issues that we've had in the city, the timing of this could just not be any worse, in my opinion. Well, it's yeah, it's been in the mayor started her response by saying it has been a difficult year. Her mother died from Covid her mentor David Gayant died in July. There was a year of unrest. There was the controversy surrounding who knew what about they approved. Yeah, she mentioned that she would be exonerated in the campaign case. That was that. Other people that were at the news conference were. You know, I think probably going to pursue that. was there something? Is there something moving in that? Right? Yeah, she had been indicted on some charges related to that. Now, an indictment is not a guilt, right, if Dimond is just in Dictmond, is I guilt? DIGHTMENT is just. Is there evidence that we need to look at further? In a sense, is there's something that we need to write look at here? So not guilty by a long shot, right, but she said to think that she would be exonerated on that. But it has been a difficult it's been a difficult year for every single person who does in the city of Rochester. Yeah, from the mayor right down to the youngest, three hungest resident. You right, s right, yea, Yep, I. No one has escaped a difficult year in Rochester and it's it's imperative. I'm not quite sure how we do this. It's imperative that whoever wins these elections, and in everything, mayoral, city council, Rochester City School district, with their are judges, Monroe County judges up for election, whoever is elected to lead this city has the job cut out for them. Yeah, whether they are the same people before or whether they are new people. It's it's it's just has to come to the for yeah, it's taxing, Patty, it's. It just seems like our city, because I always I was really exciting to see the extent of what's happening here, how it affects, how far it goes, how far it travels to say. And I did see in the New York Times well a this story was in it and who knows if it goes any further than that. So we're already a statewide story. So it just seems that our city is involved with so many, quote unquote, scandals, especially as of late, and we just can't get out ahead of it. Every time we think we are, every time we think we're finally making some headway, somehow something seems the pull us right back into the trenches. And and you're right, it's taxing on everybody's taxing and anybody in this city. We just can't get out of this and you're right, there's a lot of work to pull us out of this and and it would be nice to go a few months without some sort of big scandal that that's involving Rochter or Rochester police or Rochester leadership right. I mean we again, whether you are school board, with Your City Council, City Hall, this is the People's business that has to get done right and the people that we elect need to focus on what is the people's business and use their leadership skills to improve, improve the city. I mean, anybody can have look at well, like I said, a lot of people who had a very tough year. HMM. But we need to we need to turn that corner. Yeah, we can't turn that corner and, as you know, and run into a work walls for every took corner and it's and be able to see some daylight in front of us and figure out how, how are we going to improve the lives of everybody, everybody's how we're going to improve the lives of people in the city so that there is equal opportunity for people, right, and so that and and there is there's the opportunity for folks to make of their lives what they want to make. Right, it's we sprinting there, right, it's like...

...we sprint those brick walls. It's like we get up a run right into it. Now, you're right. And you know, the funny thing is we'll talk about some good things, like I know you were talking about you when you rolled with the with the pick team and all that stuff. So you see some positive things happening and then all of a sudden we just wear slap right back down to the ground and it's hard to it's hard to keep getting up and brush your shoulders off from each fall that we take. that. So we're going to have to wait and see what all this is about. Again, I don't want to rush to judgment on for any on any side, and I don't think anyone should either. We just got to let the facts unfold and find out what happened. I know that the mayor has a has a lot of support, but she also has a lot of people who are against her vehemently. On both sides of people are a diehard supporters or vehement enemies of the Mare. So you're going to hear a lot of muck. So what I want you to do is make sure you're you rise above the misinformation at whoever says it. There's going to be people that are going to say negative things all over the place. If you hear it on the radio and TV, your friend whatever people may say some bad things who either in support of or not in support of the mayor. And what you got to remember that you do with anything any any time anything legal happens, before you rush to judgment, you should always make sure that you have your facts aligned, and that's what we need to remember to do here is don't listen to hear say on either side or just playing attacks on any from anybody, no matter who it is, attacking anybody on, whether it's in support of or against the mayor. If you hear that stuff, that should not be what changes your opinion or makes you decide on how you're going to go. Make sure that you listen to the facts, and that's why I think it's a great idea to go to the minority reporters facebook, watch the videos in your entirety, see what everyone is saying, and then from there you can do two things, I think. One, if you already have an opinion, then that's you're right to have your opinion, or you can wait to fit they hear more information come out in regards to who was involved, what was found and and and you know, everything else said in folds. That is always, in my opinion, Patty, the best way to go is get all the facts you can before you come to any type of conclusion. You exactly, and this is this is emotional on on all sides, and so we need to get emotion out of this. We need to let we need to follow evidence and see where that evidence goes. And these things tend not to be resolved quickly. So, yeah, these are these are difficult situations for everybody to be in, the people who are accused, the people who are, you know, in said, the residents of the city. It's very it's a very difficult time. It's been a very difficult year in Rochester and so I vote forward to a time when when we can get passed homely, begin to right, when, wait, we can begin to to be constructive with each other and be working together to make the city better. Totally agree at that. Well, add I've said this many times in the show, but I'll say it a good more to come on this. All right, all right, we're going to take a break and we'll talk about a couple of things. I want to get into something a little happier. Another story that the minority reporter did. I know, and we've all, I know, in a few of our past episodes. We talked about, you know, African Americans getting involved with law enforcement and you did a fantastic story in the mine reporter, and regards to Rochester's first black police officer, we will talk about that right here. I didn't at the margins. We right back. All right, welcome back to inside the margins. Okay, Patty, let's shift gears a little bit and and and and talk about something a little more positive. So I use a lot of people use the word role model very lightly and there are a lot of people that are roles especially if you are a person of color or if you're a woman, or if you're if you come from some sort of marginalized or underrepresented community. Right, the person who represents your kind, your background, where you come from, is always a good motivator to seat that for you to reach your goals and you at well, I'm not you, but the minority reporter did a piece on Rochester's first black police officer. Right we got actually, we're very fortunate. We had a member of the community, Tina Chapman to Costa, had a she got to know Charlie, Captain Charlie Price, and is later...

...years and she wrote a wonderful essay, which she allowed us to use, about her experience with him and what he you know, the adversity he overcame, how he was so helpful to her. She makes, she made some films and some documentaries, and how he served as a if, advised her on those, you know, helping her to get things right. Developed a friend developed into a friendship with with him and with his late wife, pulling price. It died last year, and so she shared those memories. I was fortunate to talk to couple people who knew him. One Who had retired captain was interesting. He knew he met Charlie price when this person wanted to be a police officer and they do background checks. Well, who was the person who did the background check on this person? It was Charlie prices. That's that started there sort of you know, kind of a lifelong friendship, a more than fifty year friendship between the two of them. So, you know, I did get to talk to some some people who were able to share some nice memories of that and it is it's it's nice when, again in Tina's case, to be to be able to share her very personal remembrances and it really gives you a look into an individual who maybe a lot of people other than unless you're a close you, what's your closes the person, you may not see and it's just nice. It was nice for us to be able to run that and to share that side of him with the community. So we're very fortunate that we were able to do that. That's amazing. He he was. He joined the force, the force at a time when it was probably not the most ideal for African Americans to to join, and it was a while back. I can remember the actual date and well, yeah, it was. It was forty sea served from forty seven. Thank you. Two hundred and eighty five. So S and s the will get here with you know, the the riots of sixty four. Ye, actually, other times it was just yeah, it was. It was very it was very difficult time and he was. Several people told me about his heroism. A few been around long enough. Few you may recall or been told about the bank robbery on Thurston road. Yes, it was one thousand nine hundred and eighty one, and he and some other officers were able to rescue a wounded officer from that from that situation. So very heroic as well as I mean a hero in the line of duty, in the line of battle in a sense, as well as just a hero in the way he conducted yeah, what everybody told me, the way he conducted himself. You know, veteran World War II, yeah, with Tuskegee airmen. So he was he was very he lived. He lived a life, you know, ninety years old, and so he, the gentleman, definitely lived a life and anybody who came in contact with him was probably better for that contact, however brief along it was. Yeah, and I'm saying he's a role model. Indeed, he did. He did things that you would think would be impossible to do at that time. That at that time and an era of life right in the world itself, which just some things that African Americans were less prone to do because of obviously what with the environment was back then. So the fact that he not only did those, he rose to the and he he took all those challenges and and came to the highest levels. He became a captain on the police force. So I mean he's definitely someone that to look up to and he's going to be missed. He meant a lot to this city and he mental and again he if you're looking for a role model, and I don't say the word roll out a loosely because a lot of people look at you can you can pick a lot of people to be rolling up models, but as far as someone who did everything he can and live life, I believe, the way you should live life, he's definitely a person that to look up to. Yeah, definitely moving, you know, living for his community, right, right. So, yeah, definitely check that out. It's in the last edition of minority reporter. I didn't mention this because we got right into the mirror thing. If you want to get if you want to see the stories that we're done about Charlie price and also other things there, you can go to the minority reporter atnet. You can get the digital or the hard copy version of the minority report. Again, it's minority reporter dotnet. All the headlines and all the great stories that they do were there and again, I know I've mentioned it five times already, I'll say it again, make sure you go to the facebook page. Also, you get to see the videos to pay they do with those press conferences that Patti's involved with. Another people who are involved with the minor reporter...

...and that's a great piece. I'm glad that that's in the Manuy report. Okay, last thing we want to talk about when we come back from out from our final break the mass man date. Obviously the CDC has loosened the requirements of wearing masks. Governor Cuomo has now adapted those to New York State. So now the state mandate has been relaxed. You don't have to if you're vaccinated at least you don't have to wear masks and most places. Now there are still some rules, but for the majority, for most places, you don't have to wear masks. I've been out, I've been out and about since that has happened and just kind of want to get your idea, your opinion. That's so, the things that we've we've seen. We'll be right back. This is inside the margins. All right, welcome back, and I'm still hanging out with Patty. All right, Patty. So, as everyone knows by now, mass are no longer required at most places here in New York State. There are still are some places, I think schools and like airports and buses and things like that, you still have to wear no matter what, but most places of businesses. Most places of business don't require you to wear them if you have been vacated. Now also, most places of business are going by the quote unquote, honor system. What that means is they're saying if you're not vaccinated, you need need to wear a mask. However, they're not checking on that. They're just going at your word that if you're wearing if you're not wearing a mask, they're going to assume that it's because you have been vacinated. So no one checking up on anybody. You can pretty much if you don't wear a mask, you're pretty much fine, whether you've been vacating or not. Pretty much that's what that means. So I've been shopping since then, Patty, I've had to get groceries. You know, we still have to wear a family we have to eat it. So I have been shopping at some of the larger retail chains of that sort of food, groceries whatnot, and I've noticed. I've noticed the mess. And now I think I told you last week I'm very comfortable not wearing a mask outside. I've I've I don't feel bad if I'm not wearing a mask outside. I'm fine with that. It doesn't bothered me at all. When I go indoors, I still tend to wear it, especially in a place that's going to be crowded, like a grocery store, especially on the weekend, all right, there's a lot of people shopping for grocers a week and at the grocer store. So I will still wear my mask, even though I've had covid and other than that in it. So I'm pretty I'm good, probably, but I still want to just you know what I mean, just to still wear the mask. So I have been to two big grocery stores in the city downtown, the the really big one, not gonna say the name of it, but it's a it's really big one. You could break it figure it out, and also the really big one and where I live out in Genese County. So the funny thing is the one that I went to in the city downtown, most people were still wearing their masks. Now there was a person here or they're not wearing a mask, but most of the employees still were mate wearing a mask and most of the people who were shopping in there were there wearing a mask. There were some that weren't, but most people were out in Genesee County, where I live now. I went to the store to pick up some quick things and I had to say, close to half, if not more than half, of the people who were there were not wearing masks. I just found that odd. Is it is it as an area thing, or is it just are people more comfortable in certain places? I don't know what's your opinion on that? No, I think I think throughout the whole time we've had it's been regional, you know, places that have been more willing to wear masks or trust science or whatever you want to call it. Right, then other parts of the country have been we've seen that throughout the country. YEA, and very true, and probably this area reflects that. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I just found it out. Now, what about I have that. Now I'm going to get into your business. I just want to I want to ask you when you go into have you been shopping since the new man mask mandate and do you still wear your mask and doors or have you ditched the mast, because I know that you it's funny. I I kind of forgot the other day and then I put it on because it's outside. I'll be honest with you same thing. Right side. I'm the same way. I never wants me my side. I mean the only time I did. I will walk with the neighbors. Weekend morning bunch of neighbors go for a walk. So Hmm, I'm thinking maybe the early fall. There were and there's some older people there and and so they wanted to wear masks. So that was the only time outdoors I wore a mask. I take it back, when I played hockey I wore a mask because it just was it made me more comfortable. Yeah, but again, you're indoors,...

...you're in close proximity on the ice to people. Yeah, right, it's not like your outdoors hiking or something. You can or alone. Most of my outdoor activities have been just me. So I'm certainly not going to wear a mask. It's just me. If I pass somebody, I'm not it's not that I'm afraid about it's a quick passing. So yeah, but yeah, and I will continue to wear a mask indoors for a long time. Yeah, I think, I think see similar to it's not that. So if you and I were indoors, I trust you enough where I probably wouldn't, because I have I do trust you and I know enough about you that you probably get you're good to go. But it's sad for me to say this, but I still don't. I don't trust everyone. I think that I had fortunately believe that there are people who are not wearing a mask, who probably have not been vaccre or never, never have any attention on getting back there it. So it's sad to say that. Again, I don't think I'm that at risk because of how I am, what's happened to me, but I just want to I don't know, I feel like I'm doing the right things to but by by wearing a basking in a larger place. But again, if I'm at the right people like yourself or people that I know, I may not well. I mean, that's the same argument. I mean that's sort of the same argument years ago, you know, with safe sex, right you do? You know that that person doesn't look like they have anything, so that you know. I mean, it's the same and that's what kind of this reminded me of early on, was that same sort of you want to protect yourself because you don't want to be exposed to something. So as of the twenty two is Monroe County becomes where you do a lot of your business. When I have all genesee county stats here. Yea. So population of Monroe County is about seven Hundredzero. Now some people are not eligible for the vaccine. So that population sure account right, every everybody. So people with completed vaccine with three hundred fifty seven thousand. So and that the definition of that is residents who have received a completed series of vaccinations. Completed series is one or two shots, depending on the type of vaccine. So we at anybody. What under twelve? That's going to be out of that? Yep, I don't know what the population of Monroe County is for people under twelve. So let's say the population of eligible people is six hundred. I don't think we got a hundred thousand preteen. You know, I know idea. I'm rambling. Sorry. So let's we're going to say, just for a roundumers, we're going to say a hundred thousand. Sure, right. I have no idea. So that brings out population to six hundred thousand. So three hundred and fifty seven thousand people have had at least one, excuse me, have completed vaccine. Right now, to make this a little bit more the percent of the population with at least one vaccine dose has been fifty five percent. Right. So what's my what's your point, Patty? I've absolutely no idea. Now, the point is that there are a lot of people who haven't even had one one right yet. Yep, so, and some of those are children. Yeah, you can't yet have the dope. Sure, they can still be what's that called, the vector or kit whatever that, whatever that fancy term is. They are still more at risk than you are, I, who been able to get vaccinated, right, right. So I think it's worth being cautious. Yep, I think that's why too, because I because I have small children and I know that they still go to a school with other small children. So I just want to make sure my children are safe. Now, I, you know what, will have to revisit this if, if and when it does come to a point that my children can get vaccinated, perhaps my opinion will change. I don't know. But at this time, right now, I still feel more comfortable. I don't have a problem outside. Outside, I probably will not wear a mask for and I've been now. I've actually taken walks and ran and I've got gone to we had tea ball. My girls play a tea ball. I've set outside watching play tea ball unmasked outside. I don't know, just a country comport comfortability back there. Their Comfort factor for me there indoors for the most part. Now, if I'm running into that, there's our twenty four hour laundromat here. If I'm running there three in the morning to watch them clothes and there's no one else there, I may not have it on. But, but, but, like for the most part, if I'm into and a crowded area, a store and I still feel responding, I responsibility to wear my mask. We covered a lot here today, oh my gosh, exhausted and inside the margins. If you missed any of it, you can go to inside the margins, radiocom. We have the full all episodes, including the last weeks and whatever, whichever one you will listen to, they're all found there. You can also go to I heartcom or where we get your podcast, to hear these episodes in their entirety. Also, don't forget big sure you visit the minority reporters...

...website, minority reporter dotnet. Every single topic or headline that we've accused in the pass is. They're also the story about Rochester first, Rochester first police officer and other great stories that that you guys cover at the minor reporter are there as well. So go there, minority reporter dotnet. You can subscribe digitally or you can get the hard copy version. The option is yours. I subscribe to it. I think it's a fantastic way to keep yourself informed. Also want to take this time to let you know you we your thoughts and your opinions matter to us. So if you want to share what you think, if you have any ideas, thoughts, opinions, comments, whatever you want to say, you can submit those two editor at minority reporter DOTNET. Again, it's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. They will take what you have to say into consideration. You can also reach out to us here at intended margins. We have a contact US tab on our website as well. All right, Betty, what do you say? Should we meet up and do this again next week? I think last week when you ask me, I said I'm sure they'll be a compelling reason. I don't know that. I want to say huge Chinks to see that and knew it all right, for for Betty Singer, this is Matt Wilson. Will see you next week on inside the margins. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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