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Episode · 1 year ago

The Holidays and Covid

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Our own Patti Singer asks a question to Public Health Commissioner Michael Mendoza and Adam Bello in regards to Covid going into the holiday season during a recent press conference.  

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Wello, and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and election is finally all over, well sort of. I guess I'll say we have announced a national president, right, so the president elect is now Joe Biden and the president, the vice president elect, is now Kamala Harris, but I'm sure trump's going to continue to fight that for a while. So we'll see how that goes. But that's not what we want to talk about today. Today the weather was nice over the weekend, you know, so we have a hopeful look. Unfortunately, covid is still here and it is getting worse and we're going to have to address that and we have a lot of things that discuss. Plus Patty ask some questions of Adam bellow and also everyone else. Mendoza, I'm sorry in regards to Covid and we'll see what the response was in just a moment. But before we get there, let's go ahead and get some headline news from the minority porters, Patty senior. Good afternoon, Patty, that he's asking questions again. For that. You've been doing that for a long time. Well, journalist is supposed to do that, right. Yeah, that's true. I'm supposed to make people not not be rude with the questions, but get people thinking with the questions we ask and maybe if they're uncomfortable with that kind of kind of on them. You know, it's just it's because you can't be at that news conference and we are, so we're trying to anticipate the questions. Absolutely for looking to get answers too. So we're we'll get to that. So in the in the most recent headlines, speaking of Documentoza, the Monroe County Health Commissioner, he has strongly urged that children in daycare wear masks. Save Rochester calls child poverty an issue of black lives matter. The Rochester City School district has set January forth as a day for in person learning for students in specialized programs. The community and some county legislators and church leaders have joined for a holiday food drive. The school district has he has heard improvement plans from the state monitor and also the school's District Superintendent. The New Rochester Police Department chief has released a ninety day fact finding plan. In National News, as trump chriest fraud, black faith leaders and activists take a non violent stance against election theft. Police kill another black man. As people cast their final votes, will remember three and an opinion. George pain write that the people have spoken, and e Fay Williams talks about how the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Matt, thank you so much, Patty. As is always and as always, if you want to get the full versions of the headline news that you heard Patty talk about, you can go to the minority reporter dotnet. They have the full versions of all those stories there. You will also have the option to subscribe to the minority reporter at that side as well. And, as I always say, local journalism is the best journalism and as the kind of journalism that you need to support because they tell the stories that are important to you. So if you want to get those stories, take that option to subscribe at the minority reporter Dotnet. Also, they also want to hear from you. If you have suggestions or questions or ideas for ...

...stories that are important to you, you can certainly submit that to them at editor at minority reporter DOTNET. And also we have our website, which is inside the Marge's Radiocom, where you can find all past episodes that you may have missed, including this one, and you can also find us on iheartcom and wherever you get your podcast. And you can also reach out to us as well at inside margins at gmailcom or directly to me at Matt Wilson, at inside the margins RADIOCOM. All right, when we come back we'll see what Dr Michael Mendoza said to Patty when she asked her him a specific question. Did she get an answer? You got to find out. This is inside the margins. Klo. Welcome back to inside the margins and I'm here with Patti and recently Dr Michael Mendoza, the Commissioner of Public Health, had a press conference along with Adam Bellow and I believe another person who was part of the University of Rochester medical team there and they were taking fielding questions and also talking about what to do to stay safe over the holiday. And as far as Covid and Patty, you were able to ask a few questions during this press conference. Is that correct? It was right. So the way these work is they make opening statements and then they open it up two questions. Every reporter on, everybody in Rochester media is invited to these and everybody gets one question and one follow up. So it's it's very difficult sometimes to to get to really get a thread going because you you're a women, into one question and and one follow up. So the question that I had I had asked so someone earlier had talked about what about asymptomatic people and Documentos. It said that thirty percent to forty percent of people are a symptomatic. Even earlier than that he had talked about Thanksgiving and how it is up to individuals what level of risk they want to they want to their accept. He's talking about still having smaller gatherings, concerned about coming back inside everything. That just sounded very contradictory. Ton You were coming back inside, but yet you'll decide what risk you want to take for Thanksgiving. So my question was basically, with thirty to forty percent of people asymptomatic and people assuming their own level of risk. But yet these same people will be coming back to work, in school and some kinds of, you know, congregate settings. We've been hearing since March about we're all in this together. How is it that we were leaving it up to individual responsibility when we are all in this together? Where is the societal responsibility when he's saying it's up to individuals to to accept their level of risk? And here's how mendos are answered. I think the shared responsibility comes with taking precautions. It's recognizing that any of US could be the problem, and so for that reason we all want to do the right thing, not only to protect our loved ones, but to protect our strength, you know, neighbors and strangers, and I think that's what it means to know that we're all in this together. You know, we all have to do our part to keep one another healthy and safe. Okay, that was the answer that Mendoza gave and bell will decide to go to add on to that, and here's Adam bettle with some follow up on that. And then before I move on, though, I do want to just also just touch pin something Patty Singer said earlier your question about how we all have a role...

...to play. We're in this together, but a lot of us are a symptomatic. So that's true. A lot of cases are a symptomatic. There's a lot of people, you who could be carrying it and don't know they're carrying it. But that also underscores why I said it begetting of the the press conference my remarks, that the MCC site is critically important to us. We've they have tested now, I think, roughly eightyzero people. They Co seven hundred people a day and that helps us with the you're looking at community surveillance to find out what is that positivity to get those positive cases as soon as possible so that you can go home in self, viceolate quarantine. So so I just would encourage everyone listening to this. It's very easy to do. Even if you're traveling from outside of town and you're coming in and you need to get that test of just schedule The test. It takes just a it doesn't take long to do and generally testing times and dates are available within just a day or two. All right, so that was county executive Adam Bellow and that was Dr Michael Mendoza, the Commission Republic Health. So, Patty. So what I heard from Mendoza was we all have to play apart, was kind of his answer, and what I heard from below is get tested. I'm not sure if that really was the appropriate response to what you were asking. Well, that's the problem when who you have these zoom news conferences, then you get one question in one follow up because you can't and my follow up had been on something else to Docu Mendoz and and we said county executive. Just kind of jumped in with that and I didn't get like my time had gone so rebuttal on that. I'm still puzzled with the contradiction. I mean we're in a situation it's you can't tell somebody don't have thanksgiving. I mean you could, but it's not going to it's not going to go over well. So they are trying to get people's better nature, you know, there there they're better angels to to realize what it will take have some self sacrifice during this time. I don't know how well that's working. When, over the weekend, on Saturday, the number of positive cases reported that day, does it mean the test were taking that thin reported that day was two D and eleven and on Sunday it was two hundred and fifty six. And statewide for Sunday the positive the rates of positive in finger lakes Thursday three point two percent of tests for positive, Friday three point two percent, Saturday three point five percent. Second in the state to western New York, which is Erie County, in that area they are now at four point eight percent. So things aren't looking good right now. The Rolling the seven day rolling average of cases is well over one hundred. It has been over one hundred for the since they've started, almost since they started publicizing that. I they've been doing that almost a week and I think the last three or four days, by today numbers I don't yet have been in over one hundred for the for the average. This is not good, no matter how to look at I canceled travel wins this week. Again we hear the saga of me trying to go visit my sister in Rde island off again because of the situation here. Rhode Island has a curfew. It's what, where's the sense in this? Right? As much as I want to see her, I want to see my grand niece my grand nephew. I mean, what's really what's the point of this? So something, something has to be done. Is I called my you know, my fist on the on the paper. Something's be done. It's it's responsibility. I should leave that. I was out in another county over the weekend. I stopped for some lunch and it was...

...a bar restaurant sort of place and the bartender did not wear a mask. She's at any so I sat near the door. I mean I was hungry. I'd think I'd hype six miles up a hill. I was hungry, I wanted something. I was thinking. Should I stay? It was warm, the door was open. I sat near the door. Are Our interaction was very brief. You dropped the menu off, I said what I wanted. He, you know, in the door was there. It was open and whatever. But I mean here was people in there at the bar watching football game with no masks. Yeah, yeah, and this was in the looked at without as it was in a rural county. So you know. So the county in which that was in, which was prob well, I don't know if they're counting that county as finger lakes or or western New York but it might be southern tier. Probably Southern Tier have a one point three percent rate. But then again it's a rural county. Here I go Bringen, Roe County, germs down and so you know. But this is people aren't wearing masks. Yeah, yeah, you will. You. We spoke about this, I think. I believe it was our last of us all. You maybe the episode before where the fatigue number one is now set in. People are beginning to get tired of wearing their masks, are getting tired of social distancing. And number two, when we'll get into this a little bit later as well, the administration wasn't really promoting wearing the mask and social distancing. Right, our administration, and I'm not I'm not trying to whoever you like on whichever political way you go. I'm just sitting a fact there. The administration was not really pro mask, pro social distancing. That our administration was having rallies during his run with thousands of people and he did not mandate mask wearing and he wasn't wearing on himself. So, especially in areas where they tend to follow that pattern, they're going to do that as well. And also, like I said and we said it before the fatigue it's it sets in. You get tired of not seeing people, you get tired of all these wearing a mask, you get tired of all that. So people are beginning to let their guards down, and you said it perfectly. This is the wrong time to do it, because now the luckily we've had a nice the last you days have been pretty nice, but we're going to go into cold weather and we're going to be indoors more so if you have that fatigue setting in and you're not wearing your mask and you're not social distancing and you're indoors all the time, that is a at just a bad thing waiting to happen, Betty. So I think that that the county executive and the Health Commissioner are walking there, there. They're on it, you know, as they say they are. They're on a tight rope and it's a windy day. Yeah, they have a net. You need them. So they they keep talking about their fatigue, but they keep talking about wearing wearing the mask. The numbers of cases that I've been the spiking cases. Mendoza has said they are people who were at work in the in the lunch room. Don't want to eat lunch alone. So they're eating. People were eating. This is what he's saying, this is what they're getting from contact racing. People don't want to eat luncher. I always they lunch a home. But Anyway, I could some weird right. But but people don't want to. Don't want to do that. So they're eating launch in the breakroom or they're congregating in in break rooms. Their car pooling without masks in the windows up. So I'm a friend, excuse me, a friend who is a scientist. Yeah, and so he did an experiment with he measured the CEOTO in his car with the windows rolled up and then with the windows rolled down. So the COOT, what you're exhaling right, much denser when the windows...

...were rolled up. So I mean to a sense of by three or four times the parts per million. So if you've got two or three people in a car, they're not wearing masks, then the windows are rolled up. Where's all that going? Yeah, in a sense. So you do you just, you know, crack the window a little bit as it gets colder? Do we bundle up a little bit more? Do we not Carpool? I mean, what is it that we do? To try to mitigate some of this, this increased risk that we have. You, we have to take this seriously. Absolutely. This is a royal pain in the you know what, but I've been reading. We've talked about this. I'm previous shows because I was supposed to have taken a trip to central and eastern Europe, which got canceled, to do some World War II type things. So I'm reading a lot of been reading and stew reading a lot of books, fiction and fact, about that time and thinking, okay, that was sacrifice. Yeah, yeah, what would how would I have done then? Is what it what is my sacrifice? Now? I am of a generation that really never had to sacrifice. Yeah, same here actually, if I'm gonna be honest, right, I wait, baby boomer. You know, my my parents were in a position to have my life be better than there's, you know, in a sense, to do everything to try to make my life better than theirs. I never missed a meal, thanks, thankfully, to my parents. Right. I was able to get an education thanks to my parents and I appreciate that and not not trying to be privileged or special whatever, I understand that that was the era in which I was born and grew up that their children would surpass. Yeah, that's your that was that era, and so I knew some difficult times. It was a time. It were a couple times my dad was out of work for a couple months here and there. Kind of thing we used to have to this was the era when he didn't have insulated bags that you took you lunch to school. Yet a frown at. Yep, they were. Any were on an economy kick. You bring your back the all we go. I would use the same lunch bag that would hold the same troup. How I'd ever died of whatever totally implortant, beyond me, but anyway, so so. I mean there were some hardships at times in my life, but a sustained period of sacrifice like a war, like poverty, will be anything like that. No, fortunately, but I think about that a lot now and is covid for people like me our time that we have to sacrifice. I think you're right. You're absolutely right. I obviously I think we all go through some hard times every once in a while, but you're right. My parents definitely were in a position to have me live a better left style than they did, and I didn't really ever have a need, like you said, that to eat or anything, and they set me up to get an education. It was all because of them, and also I I'm the same about you know, it's funny, just us. On Sunday I had a meeting with my family and we were talking about sacrifice from the holidays. We're not all going to meet up for Christmas, we're not all going to meet up for Thanksgiving. I will go see my mom and my dad for Thanksgiving and that's it, though. No one else is going to be there. So we are already talking about the sacrifice that we're going to make and not congregated as much for the holidays in order to try to keep people safe. That's what we have to do, and people are fatigued, and that's why I'm so scared, patties, because we are coming into the holiday season where normally this is the...

...time where everyone sees everybody. This is where you go to that big dinner table and have all the food with all your relatives all around you and watch the football game afterwards. And Christmas you go to multiple houses. Sometimes you get to exchange gifts, and Christmas parties at the office. You know, all that stuff that you're not going to be able to do because of covid are you going to hold firm and actually not do it because you're trying to do the right thing, or you're going to say I'm tired of the screw it, I'm gonna do it anyway case. And if you do that, that's what we find ourselves with. A nasty problem. All right. So there are. There are in the last few days, the previous few days, double digits of new cases in an age groups. I mean they're been all I think. I think there were even a couple days ago there was even somebody in the hundreds who had who had a new case. But when you're talking about in the in the young teens through the S, we're talking double digit numbers of case. Yes, okay, so this is this is everybody. So not that Adam bellowing, like mendos, are tuned into us, although they probably should. I think so they too. But Matt, should they take a sacrifice, a quote unquote wartime approach to this? Is that what is needed here? To say look at we have a battle fight is all those few words are overused, but we are in a battle right now against an enemy that we can't see, we don't know what's here until we can't taste the Thanksgiving meal that we know the enemy is is among us. Do we need that kind of imagery? I'm not saying it's you know whoever said we have nothing to fear but fear and self behind going to that point, but it do we do? We have to go beyond well, everybody has their own level of risk. Be Honest with you, I thought that was an irresponsible comment. Well, the Commissioner of Public Health to me, and I'm criticizing him in his professional capacity. I you know, I would love like mindos to be my neighbor. We have a great time, but when I heard that, that was why I pursued that line of questioning. No, that was a irresponsible thing to say. I think that's a fair answer to I'm saying. That's a fair thing that you're saying right now, because I agree with you and I agree with what you said now. So here's my thoughts on that, Patty, and you're right. We don't have to go crazy wartime like, you know, a hunker down built tanks style on this. However, the idea is, hey, the harder that we fight against this, the faster it goes away. Right. That's how you should be thinking. The the less you take this seriously, the longer it's going to be around, the longer we have to deal with this. The more we take this seriously, there might be a short period of time where it's going to, quote unquote, suck for everybody, right, because you can't do anything. But if you hold your ground and do what you're supposed to do and let the scientists and the doctors figure out the way they combat this while we're holding it at bay, we can eradicate it much faster than if we're all just doing what we want to do and making it spread more and more and more. We have to have that mentality and if we don't, we're going to be seen being some miserable times coming up really soon. I think that it's a containment strategy, absolutely, and it's like it's my view, and I've had this conversation, so do my mantra about health, health, health promotion is minimizing and delay. Right. So you know, it's hard to know what you permit. It's hard to measure what you can happen right in instance, I think what we want to try to do is minimize a number of people affected. Delay that the onset for folks and if we can do a delay in a minimize so delay the onset and minimize...

...the effect and then I think we can try to have some containment. But to say it's up to you know, everyone's going to accept a certain level of risk, right. The people not wearing masks are accepting a higher level of risk than you and I. Well, so who were wearing ask now. Do I wear a mask every time I am out? I walk by myself a lot. I don't wear a mask when I'm out walking by myself. If I pass somebody, I try to give them a wide berth, but then you your past the person. It's it's not like I'm hanging out two feet from their face having a conversation, yeah, with them. So in that sense I'm being responsible. If I'm with a bunch of other people, and some of us are, until of it, aren't wearing mass I still try to keep that distance, but again outside, keeping a six foot distance. Right. Again, what they've said since March. That's what I'm listening to. It's it's difficult for me to exercise with a mask on, so I take I do the other things of keeping a distance. I built a I built a bim in gym and my mom's basement, by the way, so that helped me out. But anyways, well, but no, you're right. The way you got to think is it doesn't matter if you have it or not. You may not even know you have it. Just like you said, it's a it can you could be a symptomatic and not even know you're carrying it. So you could feel fine and think that you're that you're cool, and all of a sudden you give it to somebody else. And not just somebody else, your mom, your aunt who's in her S or s. But if you give it to her, do you want to be the person's responsible for her getting that kind of sick? You got to think that way. If you think, well, I'm fine, I'll beat it, I'm healthy, I'm young, whatever, that may be the case, but what about the other people that you're around? Are you pass by, are you work with or anything like that? You got to keep everybody else in your mind. You could be as you could be a spreader. You could be a person with very mind minor symptoms or none at all, and spread it to someone who gets it a lot worse and you got to think that way. And so let's you know what's be the nags here. Have all our listeners gotten their flu shots? Good Point. And you know, let's again. This goes into delaying and minimizing. The flu vaccine is not perfect. No one will say it is. If it's a good match, it reduces by a substantial percent. If it's not a great match, it reduces by a less percent. But instead of being sick for five days, you may only be sick. You may be sick for only two days. Right, okay, so you're minimizing that. The flu shot is it will disussis a Seguey? No. Our next section Monday the Portable Care Act. Very well done, Daddy. That no, I'm working from you. No out of pocket cost to you. Write that insurance. Their flu shot is part of prevention. It is. There's no out of pocket cost to you. There are also are numerous places and give you go to the county monroe, county dot Gog their website and Click on public health. You can see a link for where there are flu clinics you don't have insurance where you can get a flu shot. That's really important. You cannot get the flu from the flu shot. It is it is. It is a dead it's not live virus. It's dead. If you yeah, if you're one of those people says, Oh, I get the flu and I hate that so much, right, you probably. You may have a bad cold or again. Flu Shots not perfect. Could be a different strain and it can take a couple weeks to get full immunity from it. So you get the flu shot. You've been exposed to the flu before. It's full immunity. You can get it. But the point is get a flu shot. It is it is not going to cost you anything except a little bit of time, but it's worth it if you're not sick for a week and missing and...

...missing work, and a lot of people don't get paid sick time at work. Very Nice Segue, by the way. I'm impressed by that, because we let's go ahead and move right into that. So, as you mentioned, as you heard Patty mentioned, the affordable Care Act, which is, quote unquote, known as Albamaare looks like it may not be going away. Now we do have a new president elect. Finally, after days of waiting for all the votes to be counted, Joe Biden has been selected as the president elect, Kamala Harris, who has made history as not as the first woman, the first African American woman, the first woman of Asian descent, to be selected as vice president of the United States. So my thought on this, and I'll I know, I listened to a poll recently while I was working at the station, and the two biggest concerns that people have right now in the country, the first ones covid and the second one is the economy, and they kind of go hand in hand right now, right, patty, because covid is probably have a has a lot of effect on the economy because a lot of things are shut down because, I've called it, people out of business or lost their jobs because of covid. So that has had an impact on the economy. So our current administration, which whose terms going to end in January, wasn't really a fan of listening to the science behind covid. There was talk of firing fouchy right, Dr Anthony Fouchi. There is talks about getting rid of him. He wasn't really listening to anybody else anymore. He was actually putting out rumors that masks don't work. He was not mass himself. He would have events where people were not people that did not have to wear masks. He wasn't really pushing the narrative of social distanting and wearing a mask and being safe. where it looks like our this next person who's coming in, who's going to be president, Joe Biden, takes it much more seriously. He has worn his mask. His political events have had people in their cars just honking instead of being out, you know, and he's pushing the narrative that he wants everyone to be saved the social distance he is. She said he might even mandate masks throughout the country. So I want to get your opinion on this, Patty, because I looks like the new president is going to take covid a lot more seriously than the exiting president. Do you think this is going to be a push in the right direction for us and maybe to get us back on track to get this disease under control or this virus under control? I think it's so. One point there has to be some kind of enforcement. So it's a news conferences. Bellow and Mendoza said repeatedly we'd rather have education than enforcement. Well, so, right after they said that at one news conference they sent out a notice saying that anybody who've been at a particular bar or, I think, four or five days, should get go get tested because some servers there apparently weren't wearing protective equipment and things like that. It's some point you have to enforce. You know, click it or ticket. Right now, it's not to say you don't always lots of people drive without seat belts and lets people drive little speed to it and they don't get caught because enforcement can't be everywhere. But I think it's some point we have to move to that. I had a friend who lived in he lives outside of Boston, and in his dis was back in the spring in his town, if you weren't wearing this, with March or April, if you weren't wearing a mask, it was a warning and then if you were stopped again without wearing a mask, it was a three hundred. All fine, right, right, all up to see what was the rate of mask wearing at that point. But I think...

...there has to be some of that. If, if we as a again as a society, aren't doing the right thing, because it's the right thing to do, I think we need a bit of a push in the direction of doing the right thing and being scared of getting a fine helps. Yeah, but but look at you know that. Who's going to enforce it? Right? The health department probably doesn't have people to do it. Yeah, in this climate you're going to have police do it. Probably right now is probably better in the climate that we're in. So enforcement is incredibly difficult to do. So we have to appeal to people's better nature and I think by some sort of rose either riveter World War I kind of imagery. Yeah, may not be completely out of place. Yeah, I think you might be right, especially now. So okay, so here's my thought pot process. Patty, it's want to get your thoughts on this too. So when covid first hit, it seemed like we were kind of all on the same page. Right. Some people we may not have responded as fast as we should have, and that's a whole different topic to talk about. But once we kind of knew what it was, everyone at first seemed to be taking it seriously. Right, when first hit, when the school's first closed down, when everything first shut down, we're all like, oh my God, what's going on? Right. So everyone, because we didn't know how severe was. We didn't know the lasting results of what covid would do to you. Everyone was taking it seriously and then all of a sudden it became a political thing and then people chose their sides on how they're going to choose to react to the to the out the outspread in the pandemics. Some people continue to take it seriously, other people did not, depending on which narrative they decided to listen to. You. And now we're here. Now, unfortunately, our country is severely divided and those divisions relate directly to covid to a point, unfortunately. So here's the here's the question. Yes, we have a new political leader who is going to take it seriously, but the divisions has already happened. Are we going to be able to wrangle everyone back to that want, that same point that we were at when it first happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I go but radio and guys going, you know, mess way when who can see me here these in my shoulders up to my ear. You make it. You make a good point and and I don't know if people who okay to go back to you know who going to these world war analogies you know, there's no there's an expression, there's no atheists and foxholes and you can ban prayer all you want in school, but before somebody takes a test, what are they do? Right? So, you know, until people, until this touches somebody, they may have that attitude and then when it touches them, then they then they may become the ambassador, but it's you don't that's not how you want. That's not how you want to promote this. Right. So Do you do? You approach it from the sense of behavioral psychologist WHO's getting people to try to change a habit. You know, people who want to, I don't know, stop smoking or eat healthier or exercise more. We know that there's a lot of fits and starts in those behavior changes. What you're asking people...

...to do is change their being. Yeah, absolutely so. As we talked about this, now this is this is coming to me in a sense. What does it say about these experts say about changing behavior? Takes three to four weeks to make this change, something like that, and and how much backsliding is there? So maybe what we need to do is look at this from a behavioral standpoint. It we're trying to get people to change behavior. Now, if you look at you obcity problem in the country and people to a lot of people still smoke, although that that has come down. What can we borrow from effective behavior change, behavior modification that we can do here from people about getting them to wear masks and stay distant? I think one of the biggest mistakes in this was a warning mistake. It should never have been called social distance. Absolutely correct. We said that the beginning. Right now. Mendoza quickly got on that because I was among the people in early news conferences in March and April saying what about the mental health aspects of this social distancing? How is that affecting mental health? He now for months he has said physical distancing. Fellow occasionally will say social but he'll catch himself in the next time he'll say physical distancing. That was a huge I agree with you. But relations blunder absolutely correct, because that would people like well, no, I'm not going to stay socially I'm not. I need I need socialization. We all do. Physical distance is what we're asking is what's being asked, not social distance. There we're all social creatures. It's hard to be socially and you said it's so funny because you're right way in the beginning. I've I forgot which episode, way back you you immediately said that you meatly jumped on the actual mental health, health aspect of this. Or you're like what social distance? This is the time where you want to be social the most right. You want to check on your family members and make sure they're okay. You don't want to not talk to anybody. Just be, I stated, in the corner somewhere, because I'll drive you. They'll drive you insane. You know. So you yeah, I agree with you on that. You Bet you brick. You're going to a good point about like the spoken campaign, how smoking is still a problem but it's not nearly as big as a problems at once was has gone down dramatically. You know, there's you got those what do you call those? To these cigarettes that are still happening. It's still a little of a problem, but overall, real tobacco cigarettes, I've dropped dramatically and there's there's been a lot of imagery and commercials and in scientific studies shown right on TV and the middle of everyone's televisionvision program and there's a ban on the way it was advertised. You the how you can advertise smoking. You couldn't do it the way you used to be able to do it, though. Spoken billboards are pretty much all gone now. A lot of that was how we curb smoking. I'm wondering is there a way we can do that with covid? Is there a way we can kind of put that more into I mean because it's advertised about wearing your mask and social distance, physical distance and you know. But is there a way we can make it hit harder, the message, dread the Messions, the message home better? Well, so I true confession here. I am not a huge social media following. No, you're not. I don't know what there are famous, you know if entertainers are doing, are tweeting or doing social media stuff where it's on their instagram with them in masks, if it's on their facebook feeds with them in masks. But I think that if if the opinion leaders, the thought leaders, were very visible with masking, with other ways of doing things, I think that that would have I mean, so there's a behavioral theory, social social learning theory, mm or from role...

...models. Were how many of us old enough to remember Charles Barkley saying I want to be a role model. I'm yeah, but I'm not a role model. I remember that we are. Everybody is every somebody's always watching you, people are want more. People are watching stars, yea, entertainers and things like that. What is it that they are doing to promote this? We see it in you know, we saw it in the election. We saw you, entertainers, things coming out on one side of the other and Yep, and the following them, and I think that's where a lot of this has has to go. And again, not a big TV watcher. So someone who's listening to me, well, there are. They already have the public service announcements with certain stars. I think that is a way to go with this. Yeah, I agree, I agree. All right. Well, so, Patty, as you know, I usually do final thoughts at the end, but I'm going to I'm going to bring you along with me for a final thoughts as well. To we're will close out again, to will close it out together today. So, funny thing is, I was watching. I'm kind of a geek in my my offtime. I'm going to be honest with you. It's sad to admit, but I'm kind of a geek and I was watching Star Wars, all right, and the first star wars that came out in the s of one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven, I believe it was what's called Star Wars. A new hope, right. So a new hope is kind of what stuck in my head. It's November, the sun is shining and November right, and I think it's time to make America kind again. You know what I mean. There's been just seems there's been a lot of divisiveness. There's been a lot of nasty talk to on all sides, especially when it comes to politics. And again, I don't want to say anything about whoever you may have chose as your person that you voted for in the election, if you're happy or sad about what the outcome is, but I do think we're not going to see as much nastiness from this administration as we did from from the previous one. It won't be the angry teats, tweets, I'm sorry, and the name calling. You know everyone, everyone had a nickname. You know I mean. So, in my opinion, no matter how you feel about the politics of this new era of administration, it's historical. With Kamala Harris and it's a different direction, in a different mentality, and I think that made me a brought the fresh air just to not be so negative. What do you think about that? So I was watching the other night this the speeches from from Harris and Biden, hmm, and what struck me about it was it reminded me I was a little, a little, not young, but not really aware, with Reagan, and either Reagan said, or it was attributed to him, it's morning in America, and I felt in listening when I woke up, I so it's that was Saturday night, I guess. When I woke up Sunday morning, maybe because the sun was out, maybe because it got to eighty degrees, depending on where you were, Nice Day here. I woke up Sunday morning feeling like it was morning in America, not MOU are NIMG right and Imj some people maybe them. You are. Yeah, some people are, I'm sure, and that has to be recognized. And absolutely there are people there as much as people were the people who were upset in two thousand and sixteen. There are people who were equally upset in two...

...thousand and twenty and too, and to dismiss that you do it at your peril. Well, we do it at our peril and that's what happened, I think, the last time people's feelings were dismissed at the pad, and look would happened to the country. So cannot dismiss the people who are who view this as m o, you are and img in America, to the people who view it as a new day in America. But I would like to think that there is a freshness. We open the windows and the breeze came in. Yep, absolutely, you know here. There's another last thing I'll say about this. It's funny because usually when I want you watch a comedian like Dave Chappelle at he's funny but he's really crash, you know what I mean. But I was watching him on Saturday night live and he said something really fantastic. He said, okay, so this is how we ended his monolog he said, I don't hate people, hate that feeling, that feeling. So if you were a police officer and you had that feeling like man, everyone's hating me right now and everyone's against me and it feels like it's really hard to do my job, he's like, I felt that way too. If you are a supporter of trump and like man, I can't you know, I feel like I'm I lost everything and everyone's against me and this is not my land anymore. So I felt that way too. He said what we got to learn is not to hate each other, but to hate that feeling. And if we can hate that feeling, that will unite as because nobody wants to feel that way. We all want to feel like we mean something right. No one wants to feel like the world's against them. They want to feel like the world has their back. And that's how we shoot with think of think about things going forward, and and and and and I agree with that. I think that there was I went Saturday evening, I covered a little bit of the free the people rock at an event at the Liberty Pole, and people were, you know, chatting each other up and and sharing and, you know, in the whole bit, and there was that. It was that sense. Of course, that's also called the honeymoon. So right, so right. It's the hard work is going to begin. Absolutely right. I think we need patience and empathy and to understand that not everybody is happy right now, and that's it is very, very hard to be a leader. Yes, it's incredibly hard to be a leader. It's hard to be a follower, incredibly hard to be a leader because you have to understand that what it is, what you want, may not be the best for everybody. Right, not everybody is going to be pleased, but you gotta get you got to bring along a lot of people. Yep, YEP, Yep. There you have to get even people who may not want you there to understand dand that you're trying to do what's best for them, and that's that's hard to do. Well, Patty, I'm hopeful that in two thousand and twenty one perhaps we can sit in the same room and do this in a studio somewhere. What do you think we do that once right, this seems like a very long time without it does. It's always good to see you, though, Patty Hey, don't forget make sure there were headline news in the beginning of the show. If you want the full versions those, make sure you go to the minority reporter dotnet. You get the full versions of those and also, as I said earlier, you will have the option do so to subscribe to the Manuy reporter and it's local journalism. Folks and it's something that's important to you. They talked about issues that matter to you and your community. So if you want to get those stories, make sure you take that option to subscribe. All right, Patty. Shall we do this again next week? I hope so. All Right, alive? Right? So, yeah, absolutely. Hey, thank you so much for listening to us today and we will see you next time...

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