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Herd Immunity

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We discuss Herd Immunity....what is it and how do we achieve it? 

Inside the margins is sponsored by salvators. I just took a DNA test. Turns out I'm a hundred percent Rochester. That's right, I got seven Hundredzero matches. We are all COOGIE's. I can't wait to shake your hand. Oh wait, I can't, but I can feed you. Salvators famous forum and you touchless delivery. So those thecom marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Wello, and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I am Matt Wilson and looks like Covid even though we are trying to get this vaccine in the arms of everybody to try to get us to herd immunity, it's definitely still on the rise now herd immunity. Immunity is a concept that a lot of people have a misunderstanding about, and Patty and I go one to break that down, to try to explain explain what herd immunity is and how we actually get to herd immunity. And also Buffalo Bills Number two in the AFC East and they are playoff bound. And Governor Cuomo has gone ahead and passed that, that that he signed the rights to say that it's okay to go ahead and have six thousand seven hundred fans, I believe, in the stadium to watch the game, which again is far less than the Seventyzero fans that usually are allowed, but still he also wants to use that as a measuring stick as to how we can open up large venues again, and we'll talk about if that actually is a fair comparison. And speaking of the minority reporters, Patty Singer, let's go ahead and bring her in. It's the minority reporters, patty singer. Hello, Patty, and good afternoon to you, hey man, great to be here. Thank you all. Right. Now, before we continue, and just want to let our listeners know that the quansa episode, that of the addition of the minor reporter was a double print out, so you can still go ahead and get the hard copies at you know, or you can also go to minority reporter Dotnet to read that or subscribe to get that. So there isn't anything updated as of yet because that was a double issue. But you can certainly go to the minority reporter dotnet to check out that issue and now the great information that was in that and also you will have the option to subscribe to the minority report dotnet. And also, if you want to be involved in the forthcoming minor reporters in the future, if you have any questions, comments or suggestions for episodes or additions of that of the of the the paper, you can go ahead and set submit an email at to editor at minor reporter Dotnet and they will certainly take in consideration your suggestions in your in your comments. And also, of course, if you have missed any episode of inside the margins, you can also go to our website, which is inside the margins Radiocom to listen to any of the past episodes and also you can go to iheartcom and wherever you get your podcast. So, Patty, will go ahead and start on our first topic because again we don't really have any headline news to discuss. The first thing I want to talk to you about was that we kind of both of us mentioned last week that governor call was considering allowing approximately six thousand seven hundred fans into the stadium to watch the Buffalo Bills First playoff appearance. And I believe, twenty some odd years or...

...not, will the this being the champions of the Division and some twenty some odd years. And he's approved that and it's already sold out, of course, and he said the reason why, his one of his reasonings for proving it is he wanted to use that as sort of a measuring stick to see how things go and he may be able to take examples of what happened with what worked? Did that work when they want to reopen other large venues such as concerts or other sporting events. Want to get your thought process on that. It's a dumb idea. I'm sorry, I just think so. The governor. It's western New York, which is the Erie County. That area about what a month, two months ago, was the highest had the highest rate of, I think, positive cases in the state. So He is praised western New York. They got things under control. Finger Lakes region, which is a huge area for bill's fans, as we know sure now, is the highest in the probably the highest in the state as of Sunday afternoon. We don't have the numbers yet for Monday, but Sunday the positive rate was ten percent. So one in ten people. Wow, one in ten tests. Excuse me, one in ten people who were tested positive. Test rate is ten percent. So one in ten tests is coming back. So you'll say the optics will say, look that nine in ten aren't right, but ten percent, that's that's an acarus right. I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but I mean I think that's higher than western New York was at its yeah, so the virus is is very much present, very much around. Okay, why do I think this is a bad idea? You can, you could potentially only compare what happens with this game with another outdoor venue where there is going to be large spaces between people. So you you can't. I don't think you can compare this at all to an indoor venue, to HSBC arena, when the sabers start and and January, February and they start, the NHL starts up again. That's what's that at Twenty Thou see arena. I believe it's question two, fifteen, hundred people in but again that is indoors. We have heard four months outdoors is safest outdoors and distance is safest. Indoors, even with masks for a prolonged period of time, is not the safest place to be. Again, you have a sporting of it. People are going to show, people going to yell, people are going to be eating and drinking and not have their masks on when they're yelling. So again you to me you cannot compare what happens in an outdoor venue where you can certainly put six thousand people, one person per row. Right, right, Seventyzero seat stadium, six thousand people. What's that? One Person? It's wrong. You're about right. Yep, okay, you can do that indoor, unless you're only going to have three or four or five hundred people. You, you, you can't do that right. I'm sorry. It's still a football game. These are televised advertisers, so there's advertising revenue. People can still support the advertisers by what they see on TV. I understand that entertainment is in industry and understand that that is an economic driver, but it is it's an episode audit economic driver. It's not like a factory that is open, you know, forty hours a week and people are coming to work and then they're earning that salary, then...

...they're going out and spending it in the community. You have you have episodes of economics at a stadium. What the best case scenario your stadium may have. So there's what eight Home Games, a couple playoff games. So with the best case scenario you only have ten dates, right, right, maybe eleven, if that much, in your in your football stadium. I personally I just don't think this is worth it, as we're going to talk about later with with herd immunity. The only thing the only people now getting in the opportunity to have vaccine are frontline workers. Right. Many of them will will potentially be among those six thousand seven hundred people at the game, certain all of them. Right, people have to prove that they got the a test. The test is only as good as the moment you have it. So if you have a test and then you need to get the proof of that test before you can get into the game. So you have the test, say it's say it's the PCR test, all the way up, tickle your brain kind of thing. That can take four days to come back. Rapid test is just takes what it says, a couple minutes. So you go for a PCR test four days. In the meantime, after you've had the test, what has been your behavior? Have you isolated in your house because you really want to go to that game and you don't want to expose yourself or anybody else to covid? So do you get the PCR test, stay in your house for four days then go to the game, or do you have a rappid a test which may not be as accurate as the full brain tickle test? Right, there's too there too many variables for for this. If we had like one or two variables, okay, can we control for those? All right, maybe there's there's too much. Are you going to really be able to stop people from gathering before the game? Maybe in the parking lot of the stadium you can, but what about elsewhere? What about the night before? What about afterward when they gather after they've potentially been exposed? I just think that a call me kill joy fun right, every party has a pooper. That's so. No, I don't think this is the right time for this. No, that being said, this is the year the bills all win the Super Bowl because you can't celebrate, right. So this this will serve all those long suffering dolls fans. Right. Great, we got to win the Super Bowl in a year when you're not supposed to celebrate. Right, typical bills. It bills fashion right in bills fash. So yeah, bills, when the Super Bowl nobody can celebrate. Everybody's just off by themselves with their little noise makers and you know, it's almost like it didn't happen. I am think if we had more time I would have more reasons just to why I'm against this. NOPE, totally understand. So a couple things that I want to mention. Certainly understand. I understand the emotion there because it's been a long time coming for the Buffalo Bills to actually have the opportunity, opportunity to be the east champions, the FFC each champions. The Patriots have held that for a long time, and the fact that they actually have a chance and they're looking team who actually may win the super bowls, like you said earlier. So I get that there's a lot of passion behind this right now because this is the first what you've got a for super bowls. You fail four of them, that you you have a chance to actually win it this year, which to me, I don't I won't get the sports, but to me this is kind of an odd year. anyways, with the I don't you don't really have a home field advantage. Of My opinion. It's no one's. There's that's it's different, but I understand it. I understand it, but I do think there's a lot of risks. I had involved in this to and I do also agree with you, you can't really compare outdoor venues to indoor venues. It's it's certainly a huge difference as far as the air circulation and and the kind of you...

...know, the concentration of the virus within inside someplace versus outside. Now here's something interesting I did want to bring up to you, Patty. Ticket master announced this. Ticket Master said they're considering once the once the vaccine is readily available to everyone, that's when they're going to start opening up venues, sales of tickets of venues their ticket master and the only way that you can get into ticket master events is to prove that you have been vaccinated. Now, what's your thought processed on that and after that then we'll talk about her ammun because that kind of goes and hand hold that. Remember that thought. Hold that thought because I have another reason why this football game is ridiculous. Okay, sure, family cannot get into ursing homes. Families cannot get into nursing homes. There are there are family organizations that have asked the state, can you treat us like staff and the sense we want compassionate care visits, not just for hospice and end of life, we want compassionate care visits for our loved ones. Designate a visitor for that. Treat us like the Nursing Home Staff. We need to be tested, we need to be, you know, follow all the protocols that staff would would have. It's my understanding that even though these there are some people who have been a lot of these that designation of a compassionate care visit, they nurse that those visits stuff. If there is a case in a nursing home, cobe case in a nursing home, they have to wait fourteen days to clear that and make sure there's no other positive test in a nursing home, in a large nursing home. That is virtually impossible to do. You have how many hundreds of staff people, plus residents, venders, things like that. So there are people who have not seen their loved ones at a nursing home four months and you're going to allow sixty seven hundred people to go in and watch a football game? No, yeah, that's now. Unless you unless you're going to designate compassionate care visits to nursing homes. They're treated like staff. They can go in even if there's a positive case in that nursing home. If that Compassionate Care Visitor test negative, that person can go in and a rapid test at that moment. That person can go in. Until that happens. You do not allow people to go watch a football game now. That's all lies that they can say. I'm sorry, governor, where are your priorities? Now? That's a that's a very good point. I think seeing your loved ones during especially if you've been, I it at this long, during the holly period stuff, it's hard to imagine that being able to see your loved ones, especially when you're in nursing homes, because this is this is a time where things maybe taking a turn for the worse and you don't know how much time you have left with this loved one. So I totally agree with you on that. Pat Yeah, and the other thing too, is when was the last time you drove down three hundred and ninety four nine? And so the sign that said celebrate smart, avoid shutdowns. Yep, no, my opinion, strictly my opinion. The reason the governor started looking at hospitals and looking at hospital capacity and moved away from the positive, positive rate as far as doing these yellow orangine red zones, was to keep businesses open for two weeks before Christmas. So let's shift to hospitals. Let's look at that, let's look at the bed capacity in hospitals, and that's going to be our measure. Otherwise we're ten percent. We would we would seven percent, eight percent, nine percent, timpercent. Wouldn't we be the red zone, and we're not talking football red zone here banks. We would be red zone eight percent right at that measurement. He is doing contortions to allow this at the risk of...

...hurting the larger segments of the economy and larger segments of the population. Flat out. The governor does not listen to inside the margin. Somebody can send them the link to this. I know right. No, not until you allow nursing home, until you take down those signs. It's a celebrate smart avoid shutdowns, and until you quit moving again football, moving the goal posts on what your measurements are going to be so people know you know where their region is. No, too many other things to worry about. A football game that will be televised, if people can watch, if people can support the advertisers that way. I can't. You could not have said that better. Hey, patty, before we get into our next topics, we usually would take a break after you do the headlines. So we're going to take a break right now and then we'll come back and we'll move into our other topics, including the ticket master question that I asked Patty, and also heard immunity and what that means and how that works. Will be right back. Don't you go anywhere. This is inside the margin. Welcome back to you. Inside the margins. I am here with Patty and Patty made a lot of great points in regards to why we should be looking at nursing homes and how we can help that aspect and people will see the loved ones over the football game. I, like I said, I understand the emotional feel the football game, especially if you're from this area and it's been that long. I get it. I understand why you'd want to see your that team live. I totally understand that. But you're right, we have priorities that we have to make sure that we have those in order. Speaking of that, we're talking about venues, you know, the Buffalo Bills Venue, and I want to get back to that question I was asking in regards to ticket master. So ticket master problem statement, I believe it was a few weeks ago, and they said that once we reach a point where the vaccines are readily available to pretty much everyone, they want to start doing venues again. They want to start selling tickets for larger venues. But it but with their concept is their idea is an order for you to attend venues that are sponsored by or hosted by ticket master and other people who are associated with them, you would have to show proof that you were vaccinated before you can enter the venue. So so their idea is that everyone who is attending these large events will have been vaccinated. What's your thought process on that? So, oh, we right before New Year's so the time has been very elastic and that's it has petty. All right. So there was a news conference on December thirty stay Rochester. Black lives matter and city council member Jose Po had a news conference that they were going to have a rally on January, one against vaccine mandates. HMM, they didn't think the government should be able to mandate vaccines. They had I got to tell you. So I did that facebook Libe on that news conference and the numbers and that were off the charge. Yeah, House, I saw that one actually, yeah, you know, was and so about, according to to Po, about a hundred people attended the rally. A lot of things that, you know, don't. Government shouldn't mandate this. You know, our bodies are choice. Doesn't that sound familiar? Does? That's for another show. Very good, Daddy, but so right. So they want, they want the freedom to choose. Government should not mandate. Should be freedom of choice of what you do or don't do with your boys. Okay, take a vaccine or not, to get master as a private business. Right, very good. Another good, very good point, so to say. You know, they there was folks who were against a vaccine mandate at the government pointed out that there was a bill in...

...the legislare. Somebody had introduced the bill in the New York state legislature about mandating a vaccine with certain caveats around that. It wasn't, ever, we're going to align everybody up and everybody has to be vaccinated. You read the bill. There is a little bit of nuance in that. However, as of last week there were no co sponsors to the bill. That's a bit unusual. Normally they'll be a bunch right, but people will sign on for that. So again, so the no code sponsors and there was some nuance to that. The New York State Bar Association has also talked about should there be a mandate for this? What should be the what you trigger a mandate? You know, if not enough people are getting the vaccine on their own, should there be a mandate? Of was talking about, you know, vaccines required for school, things along those lines. Ticket Master's private and take a master can do whatever it's to me, and me I'm not a lawyer, but I'm thinking so private company to get master can do whatever it wants. Now some clubhouse lawyer might be able to say, well, wait a minute, ticket master's private, but they sell tickets to venues built with tax dollars, and I really going down a rabbit hole. I'm just saying we have a wetigous society. Someone else is going to think of this. I'm making this up purely for entertainment, for sure. No, these are good questions and points to take. Master, ticket master is probably the seller for some of the arenas around here to that have gotten some tax money for improvements. Absolutely okay. Does that make them then? COULD SOMEBODY ARGUE? So we can argue anything? Absolutely, what would be the extent of the argument? And with the argument hold any water, saying ticket manage to can't do that because they're selling tickets to a menu that is run by the government or has been funded by taxpayer dollars, and that equates to government mandate and they can't do that. I'm just saying, Nope, that's a good question. I so just you know, argument. Yep, nope. So I talked to you. I actually have I happen to talk to a lawyer. Don't know, don't ask you why. There's nothing bad, but we were kind of talking. We're talking about some things, and so this is the point that he brought up and this is actually was a good point. I never I never thought about this. So for schools, daycares and schools, especially when it comes to young children, in order for you to attend those schools, you have to have certain vaccines and you have to show documentation that you've had them, such as polio, measle mumps. Those vaccines are all included. So you are not allowed to have your child in that school unless they can show proof of having those vaccinations. I never thought about the whole public funded versus private funded buildings, but I know public schools that's funded by our government and tax dollars and the children who was attend those must be vaccinated in order to go into this goals. So I wonder if that could be like the counterargument say hey, we're already doing this with for some of the vaccinations. The other thing I want to point out is I'm glad you mentioned the whole private versus government or public or whatever, because I think that's the way, and this is again, this is just my personal opinion. I think that's the way you go about it. So people are going to say my...

...choice, you can't force me to get vaccines, and I'm a person who is all about choice. I can't. I don't like them force anyone to do anything and this and this aspect is about health and my general feeling as we should get this vaccine. But I think private entities saying okay, it is your choice to do whatever you want to. However, you cannot be part of our establishment, you cannot come into here unless you are vaccinated, is a great way to combat that. Because if you want normal see in your life, if you want to be able to go to wherever you want to go, if these private entities don't allow you to do that unless you're vaccinated, that will encourage you a lot more to get that versus forcing you to get that. Does that make sense? It does. So couple things. The vaccine. We have decades of data on folios. Yes, for true, usual, even flu vaccine, right, we have dead. Very true, very true. People are concerned that this, this vaccine, and this goes to our general national we use the word ignorance. It may not be the best word, ignorance of scientific process, because we're not. We're not really a scientific nation, I don't think, my opinion, but anyway, so people are undernecessary understanding the scientific process and there's a sense that unfortunately, getting a vaccine to market was called Operation Warp speed, bad name and name. Some people heard that as operation cut corners. Right, that's okay, let's not that. That's not what happened in what I have read is that the the science behind this vaccine and the and Messenger RNA, which I'm not going to explain, has been in development for a period of time, for years. Yes, this has been an opportunity to now put that theory into practice, but they are we have what six months of data on a vaccine versus, in some cases, six decades of data run. I understand people's reactance on this. I am not an earlier doctor. I think we talked last week that had I had children, they would not have gotten the gardisil vaccine. Right, you did. We here I am and then here I am in a trial for the covid vaccine. You can listen to this and goes sayinger that makes absolutely no sense. It does in my mind. So I can understand why people would be reluctant to this. What concerns me is people whose minds are closed. That good point. I get some reluctance, I get some hesitation, I get not wanting to be first on your block, right. I can appreciate that. What concerns me is hearing. No, never you know. That worries me because if enough people say that, we don't get to this concept of herd immunity. So what is herd immunity? Chard heard, think of heard of herd of Buffalo, right, right, a bison, right. So he heard of Buffalo. I heard of anything. So this is from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and if you've been following covid data, you know that Johns Hopkins the other ones who have the big topeboard that track this since day one pretty much around the world. So lots of data is coming from John John's Popkins. So, according to them, herd immunity when most of a population is immune to an infectious disease. This provides indirect protection, or heard immunity, to those who are not immune to the disease. So we're talking about indirect protection. So...

...if but none of us are immune, we will protect the people who who aren't. You because, a they can't get a vaccine. Often, often, this is where you hear the concept of he heard immunity. There are people who are, for whatever reason, unable to get vaccines. Flu, I think, is one example of that because so I think it's made with eggs or some people can't do eggs, although I think there are different ingredients in the flu vaccine. But if people who are able to get the vaccine get the vaccine, then you protect the people who are unable to get the vaccine. So again, Johns Hopkins explains this. If eighty percent of a population is immune to a virus, so that means eighty percent is immune. So that's four out an every five people, Yep, who encounter someone with the disease won't get sick. Now, patty, there's two ways to achieve herd immunity in my correct there's the one way, as people getting vaccinated, and there was the other way where people were trying to do earlier with, quote unquote, covid parties, which is getting everyone infected and hopefully your antibodies, everyone would build up the antibody and eventually, because everyone have the Anti Boddy, they can no longer get be infected by the by the diseast by the virus. That is that correct? Correct, that was what you may you may be holding up some similar listeners, maybe old enough to remember chicken pox parties? Yep, right. So somebody in the street had chicken pox and we made the play date so they could we get chicken pox and get it over with, right. Well, we now know that chicken pox, that idea, right, isn't is isn't as benign as we think because the virus lays dormant and you, as an adult, can develop shingles. It can be reactivated as shingles, which can be, while not fatal, can be a devastating, incredibly painful condition and you can get multiple cases of shingles. So there is now a chicken pox vaccine, you know, against chicken pots. There now shingles vaccines. I don't believe shingles is is in facto contagious like chicken pox. It's not. No again. So that was the sense of will send everybody over to Jimmy's house. Jim's get changed. So do we get chicken pocks? Now we know kids over it. Well, again, not as not as benign as as as we thought. Yeah, exposing people to it then they have the immunity to it. The vaccine, you know scientifically, is a safer, a way to achieve her immunity. The other thing too, is that we're learning so much more about covid as days, weeks and months go by. There's still is not, at least I have not read, a clear sense of long term ramifications of the illness. Not what. What does the long effects on cardiovascular system, on other organs, on, I. Just recovery, fatigue, things like that. We don't know. Right the speculation, but there's no heart evidence as to what what the long term and we we have no idea. Some people are saying, I believe there's a few athletes saying, that they've developed lung issues now because of it. But again, it's not there's no heart evidence that would point that to the covid that they had. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Heard. Immunity is is done in those two fashions and in order to achieve herd immunity, enough of us have to be vaccine. And now you make a good point. Enough of the reason why I there was, one of the reasons why I approached you first to be part of this show is because of that whole from information to understanding that that that that's your model, that's that's what you live by at inside the Mare, I sorry, at minority reporter. And that's the point, right, sure you can.

I certainly understand the hesitation when you hear of a vaccine under the you know, the the title warp speed, right, that comes out in mirror months versus the years and years that it would take to normally develop some sort of vaccine. All of a sudden there's a rush vaccine. That's what it sounds like. That now, Hey, you need to take it right now. You don't need you don't get a chance to wait and see, find out more about it. It's here's the vaccine. Take it right. So I get why you would be skeptical. Skeptical, I get why you would be a little nervous and or hasn't it to take this, but that's why you need to be informed so you can understand. You can't have that hard stance up. I'm never going to take it. All right. So, so the to the first two vaccines, the fiser by on tech, and then the MODERNA vaccine. They do have a new way of being delivered. So that is that is the Astra is antico one, which is which is coming, that is delivered, that is done the traditional way the vaccines are done. So this messenger RNA and the fiser by and tech and also the MODERNA is a new way to do it. However, scientists don't sit around waiting for something and then, Oh, now we're gonna work out. Yeah. So think of it as so it's, you know, middle of Monday afternoon, you're thinking about dinner. Right. So if you have not planned at all what you're going to have the supper tonight, chances are something comes o the freezer into the microwave. Dinner in ten minutes. Right. If you were planning last night or this morning what you wanted for dinner, you might have started the crop pot. So, you know, nine hundred and ten hours. Bad Analogy, but play with ten hours later, you know dinner is there. So think of the same think of what's happened with these vaccines development in the same way. These were not microwave. SOBODY didn't decide ten minutes ago, oh we're going to do it this way, and Zap here it is right, yes, the vaccine. Think of this as a slow cooker. Now, granted, it took more than ten hours, I get that, but the concept is that we're going to do this over time. is going to be slow and deliberate working on this new way of delivering. What does someone has an idea? Maybe? Is there a different way that we could do over vaccines? HMM, all right, so how would we have to start doing that? And then along comes something where they can put that into put that theory into practice. But they didn't. They didn't micro away, they didn't nuke this theory. They didn't come up with the theory twenty minutes ago, you know, Uge twelve, they come up with the theory. Oh, let's do it this way, and now we'll do it. It's been it's been percolating, it's been slow cooking for a while and now here is the time where we can serve this. I'm hungrry now, Patty. By the way, if I tort you, have I fed this metaphor? But but think of it, I guess think of it that way. You know, it didn't come out of the freezer into the microwave, boom dinner in five minutes right now. It's been a process. They had to chop the ingredients, they had to do you know, and a season at flavor it for the CROCK. But started slow and do it that way. So if that makes you feel better, about the vaccine. I look at it is going to be an individual choice, but try to get all the facts and make a reasonable and a reason decision. I would certainly urge people to not say I am never going to take this, the government's trying to do something to me the government. The government is trying to help you stay healthy. You're right and that what I mean and I believe that, for a variety of reasons, I can't tell somebody else what to do. I can't tell somebody you need to take this, you should take this. I am not going to show it all over myself. That is individuals decision.

But you know, if I were ticket master or I were running a venue, I might want to see if it's legal for me to say I can't sell. He would ticket until you show me prooven the VACCINEP and I certainly understand why they would want to do that and make sense. That gets you back in business and in a safe matter. So I get why. That's a that's a thought process and you're right. I'm with you as far as you having the right to choose how you live your life. I do. I do not want to tell anyone how they should live their life. Because you're right. I don't want to shout all over myself either, but I think the way we need to think about this is everyone, this is the most used phrase besides covid and coronavirus, as return to normalcy. Are Getting back to normal, or the word normal itself right? That everyone. When do we get back to normal? How do we get back to normal? Well, the reason why we introduce this whole thought to this thought process of herd immunity is that's kind of how we get back to normal. We have to have the majority of people not to not have the ability to, or be very unlikely to be infected by this virus, and right now the best way to do that at this time seems to be this vaccine. So if your thought process is how do we get ourselves to that herd immunity so we can all of a sudden open the doors back up for everyone to get back to their normal lives, well then I would I would think that this would be with this would be the way that you want to go. You would want to put yourself in the best situation to get there. And if you're if you're against that, that may take a it may make the time frame longer for us to return back to normal. That's the point that our people who at the head of our government, I'm not missing going to call the leaders, people who at the head of our government, are are saying again some of their decisions, I I a guess like football, but if you think about it, every decision that an individual makes has consequences. Right, if I am going to have soda at every meal, there's a consequence for that for my short term nutrition, long term nutrition, long term health. If I am never going to exercise, if I am going to smoke cigarettes, if I am going to drink alcohol to excess, if I am going to drive really fast, lots of decisions we make. If I'm if I don't want to attend school. I mean they think of every decision that you make. There are consequences to those decisions. So some maybe more or less serious than others. A decision for you to not take a vaccine, if eighty percent of people take the vaccine, may not be a devastating decision to you, but what if people don't write right, people aren't going to going to take the vaccine and we don't have enough people. So it does come down to your to your decision and your decision will affect you, it will affect your family and it will affect society. And you know, we don't have enough time left in our in our day to day to talk about how these decisions, how not wearing masks get us to a ten percent positive rate, and how our individual decisions affect society. and Are we witnessing a societal breakdown because we're at ten percent positive rate and going to sociologists would have the philosopher we have a better answer that then I would. But our our decisions effect us, obviously, and they effect o the people as well. Yep, you know what that that's actually a great point you made about the...

...thought concept. A lot of people think this, and it's not just in the vaccines, it's in almost everything. People think, because this country is so big, or this world is so big, that my one action does not matter when it comes to a larger event, for the voting, for example the select election, right, you know, if so many people are voting, if I don't vote, it's not going to matter. Well, a lot of races were extremely close, so your one vote probably didn't matter. Save the same thing here. If you're like, well, if I'm the only person doesn't get vaccinated but everyone else does, they won't matter. But what if everyone think like you? What if, what if an overwhelming majority of people think the same way you think and then no one gets vaccinated, then then we don't move anywhere. And so that's so you have to think both ways. You do matter your you are part of the populace and if you if the populace goes your way or you are the one person that kind of does it, tilt it, you could make a significant impact on how things go. So I'm not again, we're not telling you what to do, but just trying to get you to consider everything before you make that choice. And again, as Patty said earlier, and I also have a read with I certainly get yours. If you are a person who is right now kind of hesitant to get the vaccine or thinking to yourself, I don't want to get it, I can't say I don't understand you, because I do. I certainly understand why you would feel that way. That whole or operation warp speed cloak that was put over this whole thing, which, again, Patty I both discussed in an earlier episode that that was probably the most terrible thing you could have called it. Makes you think that this is a this wasn't eat. This was a very rush, very uncalculated, very unscientific process of boom, vaccine, take it, let's get out of this. That way we can go, we can make money, and a lot of people think that's why this is happening, which, yeah, of course, getting back to business is part of the reason why we want to do this. But just make sure you look at and read and do your research on everything and see and see if the positives of taking the vaccine outweigh the negatives and vice versa, and that's all we can ask for. I believe and read, you know, because there's inn't depend on what you what you read. If you want to just have your your biases reinforced, you to read what you have always read. If you want to try to have an open minded this, you will seek out some sources that you would not normally see out. Good point I that. You know, one of my professor's, was one of my favorite professors, always said that to me. He's like, Hey, listen, you have you your all, you already have a perception of what you believe and there are going to be media outlets that will just feed your perception of what you believe. But you and order in order for you to have that information understanding, you have to look at all sides, even the stations, that's, the stations or the media outlets, or the papers or the magazines, of the journals that may be completely against what you believe in. You should read those or or watch those just so you can see why they think that way and and so you can even if you, even if you're convinced think that way, maybe you'll have an understanding of why they think that way. You know, and that's that's how you come up with your own educational or your your hypothesis or your guests or or your best judgment. Just to see all sides, not just your one straight narrow field of everyone feeding you what you want to hear. I mean, I don't want to you know, I don't want to overcomplicate things, but that the things are not always as cut and dried as we would wish them to be. Yep, I believe that as well. And nothing's that cut and dry. All right, Patty. Well, that's going to do it for this episode of inside then urges. Don't forget. If you have not had a chance to check out the latest edition of the minority reporter, it is available for you online at the minority port doctnet. That was the Queza addition.

Again, it was a double, double version of the the print out or also the website version, so there wasn't anything added yet, but a new one will becoming soon, but still great information there. Definitely visit. visit the minor reporter Dotnet as well if you have any suggestions, questions comments. They're always willing to listen to you and take under your ticket, take your advice under consideration. You can send your emails to editor at minority reporter DOTNET and as well. If you are tuning in right now, you have missed the program we are ending it, but don't you worry. You can go to our website at inside the margins, Radiocom and you can catch this episode or any past episodes. You can also go to iheartcom or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Patty, let's let's do this again next week. I think that's this one that I do for Patty Singer. This is Matt Wilson and this is inside the margins, and we'll see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom. Inside the margins is sponsored by salvators. I just took a DNA test. Turns out I'm a hundred percent Rochester. That's right, I got seven Hundredzero matches. We are all COOGIE's. I can't wait to shake your hand. Oh wait, I can't, but I can feed you. Salvators, famous film and You touchless delivery. Thoscom.

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