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Episode · 1 year ago

New Jobs Coming to Gates NY

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We talk about possible new jobs coming to Gates and Rochester's gun violence initiative. 

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host Matt Wilson, and Hello, welcome to another addition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and we have survived Halloween. Nothing to too crazy has happened. I was able to take my children out to just a couple of houses in my inlaws neighborhood where thing was safe. They have to those this little pipes. We'll talk about that later with Patti. Is a little like these two zero setting slighting the candy through to kind of make it as safe as possible. We only did a few houses. We didn't want to take too much of a risk, also of the elections only ad a day away, so we're going to talk maybe a briefly about that. But there's a lot of happening in Rochter and we want to cover that and there's and there's a you know, some conversation about the violence here in Rochter and what to do to try to get that, you know, in control. And we want to jump into all of that. But before we spring into that we're going to fall back. I like that one with patty singer from my new reporter. Good afternoon, Patty. How we hopefull you a whole lot of time on that side. Bro Anyway, I'm not being gracious today. Let's move thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Matt, for the INTRODUCTOR's very welcome. Don't forget. If you have a such a clots back, go ahead and do that please. All right. And in this week's ten line city survey is asking six questions about policing. The public can respawd through at least the first whole week of November, local pastors unite as a voice and a resource for Rochester. Or reward is being offered for information in the shooting deaths of Jakala young and Jarvis Alexander. That incident was in September. The Gateways Music Festival, which is an coming up in the next few days, is announcing performances form a Rochester Police Department chief Lauran singletary, is holding off on testimony in the investigation into Daniel Tolos death. Community participation is sought for the twenty one day racial equity challenge for early voting has drawn big crowds voting. Early voting ended yesterday. Dance Law would boost the use of minority and women own businesses by Monroe County. Big Economic News for Rochester, a major distribution center. That is I'd for gates could help with equity in employment nationally. Through the roof and quotes, prescription drug prices hit communities of color the hardest. In the days before the presidential election, millennial voters are eyeing the vice presidential candidates as well, and in Opinion Editorial Antoine Thompson writes about the two thousand and twenty elections restoring hope and expanding opportunities, and George Paine writes what's wrong with mittel's new Susan B Anthony, doal and mark. The hope is back with some senior moments, Matt. Thank you so much, Patti, as always. And as always, if you like to read the full versions of the headline news that Patty just discussed here, you can certainly go ahead and visit in the website at the minority reporter dotnet. That's minority reporter dotnet. Get the full versions there at you also have the opportunity, opportunity to subscribe to the minority reporter again, Supporting Local Journal Journalism is important in order to get the local stories that matter to you most, you need to have the journalist who tell them to you and you need to support them. So...

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...in Parrington that had one thirteen hundred, Roun de Quoit, one sixteen hundred, mark placemall, one thous hundred, north Greece Church at one six hundred parent and square mall on Seventeen hundred. I mean these are people who were this is these are people turning out. Yeah, yeah, I was looking at the numbers. Two Petty. It's that's a lot of people. Are a lot of younger people also are turning out to do early voting. I actually took advantage of it myself. I voted early and my experience was was decent. You know, I like a fifteen minute wait. It wasn't too bad, but yeah, I kind of got in right a sweet spot because I know a line was forming after I left. But yeah, so I think it's great because, you know, the whole talk was about everyone's scared at about the mail and the ballots that are being mailed in. So it's nice to see a lot of people have took the initiative to actually show up to vote, and it looks like some places. I was look at some numbers across the country. Some places have more votes during early voting then the entire time they had voting for two thousand and sixteen. That's remarkable that early voting has turned out warm numbers than the the entire voting period of two thousand and sixteen in some states around the country. I know it's a maazing. You wonder if it's because so many factors? It's hard. Yeah, because of the interest of this election. Is it because of people concerned about being in a close place for a long time? Because of virus? What is that? People I think that'll be up to the sociologists and political scientists to sort out afterwards. But the other thing too, is what you know, what lessons get learned for future elections as well, and how to how do you keep voters energized? And this is this is important and you know, it'll be interesting to see at the end of this how many registered voters actually did cast their ballots. Yeah, you know, you're right. I was. I was wondering, because that's you actually bring up a good point. New York State, I believe this is the first year that we have participated in early voting. I wonder if this is going to like you said earlier, I wonder if this is going to be something now that's going to happen here. You're going forward due to the turn out that we've seen here in the state of New York. We had. This is the first presidential election. Yeah, right, right, right. So there has been some other early voting and I don't have it in front of me, the numbers to compare, but I you know, it's not fair to compare last year's early voting to this year's early we definitely we've got awake till two thousand and twenty four, you know, to compare for a presidential election on it. But now I think I think it's important. If look everybody's talking about, whether it's healthcare or anything else, you know, they talk about the person centeredness of this. So why should voting be any different? It should be voter centered and you're not going to please everybody. You're not going to make it easy for every single person to vote. But you know, we talked about removing barriers in other parts of our society. Why not remove them here? Right? And No, you're right. I don't. I don't want to look at I don't want to compare this to the election, to the two thousand and sixteen. What all, I guess the only point that I was making is that the fact that the positive turnout that we've seen with early voting may influence them to continue this process going forward, just just in general, regardless of how polarizing the election is this it just may be a good idea that to open this up so to get get the numbers and or get people more willing and able to go out and vote, versus just going on that one day. Right, make it make it look like like we talked about lots of other things. Let's make it convenient for the people that we want to have turn out here. Let's what we talked about taking down barriers and other aspects of our society. Let's let's take it down. Let's take the...

...barriers down here to right, right, all right. So I wanted to move on. I there's some news coming out of gates and the whole. I believe it's the is it the mental hygiene or rest porter calls it, that we were just talking about. There were, well, they yeah, engages making news. Yes, they had. They were their police department a week or so ago said they were not going to take their mental hygiene arrest. A strong is there where the police chief felt that things didn't go well. They had asked at one point to be notified when somebody was going to be released. Apparently that didn't happen. There were instances where people who had been had been there, had been released then, I want to say reoffended. That's not the right but had another had another incident. Right, there were other there were other incidents. The concern there is what's the discharge plan? Does anybody it? Is there one? Does anybody know it? Are The our families and our police being informed of the discharge or plan. When the individual is is is released, you know what is going to happen with them. What is the following? They're saying? The police were saying that you're the person should sort of drop back off at home or no one seems to know what's happening. So they wanted to go to their taking now patient choice. The patient says, I want to go to strong because they have some sort of already care there. They'll go to strong, but absent patient choice, they're going to go to Rochester General. So but the thing is, this is this. The State Office of Mental Health has guidelines for mental hygiene arrests and when somebody can leave, when they can be held for treatment. So it's early in this process to find out what exactly is going to be different, because there are state regulations that govern these emergency departments. So I don't know. It could could emergency department say on their part where we're going to change our communication and we're going to make sure that if there's a request or when someone is either discharge or someone leaves on their own after being seen by a clinician and and under certain under certain parts of the mental hygiene law, you can leave after being seen by a clinician. Are they going to make sure that people are informed of that? There's hippo, there's other aspects of this, but the concern from from the gates police was community safety, the safety of the individual, safety of that individuals family, the safety of the community. They release body camp footage where a person had gone into a plaza without a planet fitness, had had a knife and said, you know, somebody call I need help. Well, you can imagine the concern. You know, the warrior people. Somebody comes in. Yeah, even though the person saying I you know, I call it, calls I need help. Folks Whore in a gym working out aren't trained for this. Absolutely correct. You what you want about police responding and where the police are trained for it. If you're just working out in the gym and someone comes in and says I need help, you can call nine hundred and one, but you you are not treated right and the subsequence to that. So, yeah, so that was part of it. So so it right now it's just the gates police department that is using Rochester regional. The chief there is president of the Monroe County Chiefs Association. But, as he said, it is news conference. He was speaking just for gates at that particular time. So the other news out of gates is economic, which is there is some groundbreaking going on for a major distribution center, Warehouse Distribution Center, which could bring,...

...if the plans go, if the plans go according to plan, about one two hundred jobs. That's amazing at at a at a warehouse distribution site. So according to the application from the developer to the Planning Board, and I quote, the primary role of the warehouse is to bring in and sort out shipments from other regions destined to be delivered to a grouping of ZIP codes within the Rochester region. End of the quote. Parcels would then be shipped to post offices or courier depots. So you figure out what that is. Right. They're not saying it is. The developers at US development out of Erie County is saying it could be multiple businesses coming into that space. The total for those businesses could be one hundred jobs. But you are listeners, are smart. Yeah, that if comping. You know so. The plan calls for seven operations quote, with package sortation being performed before equal shifts of three hundred foyees each. Huh. What companies? What companies do that kind of work? I have no idea. Approximately two hundred and nine trucks would do with a packages each day, primarily between seven PM and zero am. Seventy eight voting docks in three hundred forty six trailer parking stalls. Who Does work like that? I can just trying to three. I can't. Why do you start at the beginning of the alphabet and we would just work our way down through from go to a to Z and welting all the potential online retailers who do that kind of work. Right. So, okay. So, so you know, if, if, what you're thinking, and I just I'm carnact the magnificent. Yeah, I think you know what I'm thinking. So, but here, okay, so here's here's the thing. One thousand two hundred jobs. Yes, yes, this is this was the issue. So this is a story and and the story was exclusively to this point in mine already. Reporter. So this is the issue. Former mail, former Mayor Bill Johnson, right, who is coach of the Commission on Racial instructural equity. How do we? How do we? You know, former mayor in the question to him was what does this number of jobs mean for equity? HMM, that's a he said that often municipalities hesitate to place demands of potential employers for fear of losing jobs. And I'm quoting from the article I wrote so I can quote myself. Johnson said that there are ways to make demands without chasing away potential jobs. He talked about when he was may or what he did with the when bringing tops friendly markets into the city. Have to put aside certain number of jobs for the neighborhood, have some train you know, things things like that. Be Be a good neighbor. We don't because we are not sure of who this who the this company or these companies are coming in. It's hard to just you know, emails will be put this way. An email was set to one potential company and was not recharged. So there you go. Okay, but what would they do to say, Hey, you know, we've got a twenty one day racial equity challenge here. Granted this company, this buildings, I going to be done in twenty one days, but there's an effort being made in this community for equity for employment. Right, right. What do you know? So in talking to Bob Duffy, you know, former mayor, from a police chief, Lieutenant Governor, now head of the Chamber of Commerce, these are not these jobs probably are not going to pay fifty bucks an out. He's probably going to be lower wage jobs. Right. Oh, so, I said to him. So these are lower wage jobs. What did these mean? He goes, they're stepping stones into are your wage jobs. If, if people, if these employers, look for within, for promotions, right, if they have a track that you start and you can finish. You start...

...one place but you can finish some place else, then this could be this could be an avenue, this could be that that stepping stone. Nobody wants to be locked into him in to make went minimum wage job for the rest of your lives. Right. So my hope would be that you come in. Some of these a minimum wage jobs, some are higher, but there is there is potential room for girl right here. There's potential for training, there's potential for work here and will, I'm making this up. That is right here, work here and we, you know, help you out with some advanced learning, right, some post secondary education. Yeah, so, some, some write some money for school. Right, exactly right. So you know, whatever company you have to be when you come in these days, you have to be a good environmental neighbor. Right. So the Planning Board listen to couple times. They sent them back with some of their plans to do some other sorts of things that that I can't even explain. What we're explained to me. As you know, we had to do some other things with parts of the building whatever. So you have to be a good environmental neighbor. HMM. Shouldn't you also have to be a good economic neighbor? Yeah, I think so. I you raise a ton of by the way, fantastic story and again, if you want to see that full story, make sure you go to the minority reporter Dotnet, because it's a fantastic story and it was a great, great piece that you've done that. But I you make a lot of interesting points here because obviously, with covid in this environment and a lot of places closing, a lot of people have lost their jobs and their source of income. A lot people are unemployment. Unemployment is, you know, through the roof right now. So great I get a job that pays, like you said, possibly minimum ways. Maybe you know a little bit more, but we're it's going to be around that area. If it's a start in warehouse job, you're not going to be making a ton of money. You're going to be making around that minimum wage figure. What comes with that when you're full time? Are you going to get opportunities to try to get yourself back in some in your feet, like, Hey, we're going to offer you? You know, you can set money aside for college or educational purposes, or there's other there's we're going to put you in some sort of training class or you know where you can learn how to advance yourself in this environment. It's good to it's it is employment good. Of course everyone wants to have a job, but you're right, you don't want to be stuck making eleven, twelve dollars an hour forever because you're still not going to be able to climb O of anywhere if you're just making minimum way, especially if you have a family support to support. So I think that right. So let me let me yea sure. No, no, go right ahead, go right ahead to other aspects. And again, I again, I don't know what is going to be the health insurance. Yeah, that was just there. Yep, what is going to be the K. or what other kinds of savings? Right, long term savings, because when we hear about generational poverty, what we hear is that homeownership is a way to get out of generation absolutely right. And other kinds of you know, long term savings is a way to break generational poverty. So is it? You know, if I'm making twelve dollars an hour, I can't put and I've got another mouth to feed besides mine. I it's hard for me to put money away in my side. Right. Right. But if there is something that the employer does for that, that they start you because you know, again, this is this is me wishful thinking, folks. Sure I have any crystal wall on this, but knowing you're coming into an area where you're trying to make a change in generational poverty, every employee, maybe not to start, but on their third three month anniversary, five hundred bucks into a four rowing. And again, I don't know the laws of requires, as far as you know, federal laws that require the setups of...

...these. I'm just thinking three months, five hundred dollars in Wi k that they give you don't have to do, you don't have to put that in. That's the company's money. Six months, another five hundred a year, you know, another five I'm offering, and then you you can contribute as well. But I'm saying is there are ways that these companies coming in can start to seed this folks, and I think a coupy like that out. No, no, and I think a couple like that absolutely would be able to some company. Some businesses are struggling because of the current environment and you can't flourish when you're running at, you know, half capacity or certain percentage. But these kind of businesses, where it's as a packaging in a warehouse job, these kind of jobs rush you flourishing during this pandemic. So they should have, they should be able to have that kind of funding to do that. So you're right, neither of us have across the ball. It's all hopeful and wishful thinking, but I'm but just just in my experience, especially with what you're seeing as far as jobs companies, especially like warehousing and shipping, because everyone's having things delivered right now. People don't want to go to the stores as much. So these jobs are actually in demand and that's why they need more locations, they need more employees. So they should be able to have the funding to do things like that. And that again, we can't. You can't make a busses do that, but you would just hope that they would want to do that. Well, Bill Johnson would say you can't write communities are too timid. He would say you can do something like that. You you can have them be you can make demands. Yeah, you know he knows far more about this than I do, but I would why. I mean why not? Give why not? Yeah, I'm with you. So, so the site that this is on, if you happen to drive down, it's near Tech Park. Rochester Tech Park is sort of between Elm Grove and Manitau Road, off a five hundred and thirty one. So this site is closer. It's not right on Manitau, but it's closer to that area. It's kind of it's on the same side of the street as the Fedex. I mean if you happen to draw, I've down there, you'll see construction vehicles clearing the site and things like that. So they're talking about this a twelvemonth construction cycle for this. So you know, it's a bigger it's bigger than just you know, pointing over to people in the town and Gates. No, the reason we're talking about this is it's for Rochester. This is Ya is already us as that run to Tech Park, five hundred and thirty one. It's not, even though there's some construction on four hundred and ninety in that area. It's not. It's not way out, you know comedy. It's not like the van ride that that the county set up to take people to one of the one of the casinos to work. Yeah, we're passing place in right Cannon Aga. I mean this is not this is not the end of the world. This is what it's. Thirty minutes from downtown with traffic. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's tough. It's not that. It really isn't that part at all. I mean that all dinner ways to get there if four hundred and ninety is jammed up. So I would think that this is something that the community leaders are going to be just all over to make sure that that there is equity right now these jobs and in the potential. Yeah, it's this is twelve hundred jobs. So I asked bobbed up. Is it? When was the last time twelve hundred jobs came to this area. He couldn't really yeah, one in one love. Some very said mobile is still working on something that would bring about thirteen hundred, but that's that's still still it worked all right. Twelve one thousand two hundred jobs. That's a lot of jobs, Pattie. It's a lot of jobs. Well, they've got four shifts at three hundred and eight per shift. That's why I say I think it's I think...

...it's huge news and it's there's so much potential there, as there's so many things that can this can be such a pot of thing if it's done right. So I'm really hopeful and I think it's fantastic news and I think that if, if things are done the right way, that's going to help on a lot of people are to look, you said the bus goes through. The bus goes through that area all the time. Even if you don't have your own vehicle, the buses can easily transport people to and from pretty much anywhere in the city. So you don't work with the bus company to set up runs that will go for this for these ships. I mean, you know, people talk about reimagining public safety and policing. Was that look like? That's a narrow, narrow scope, because encounters with police that go wrong make headline. I am not going to diminish that. But have we had one, twelve hundred of those this year? Where is the potential for these jobs? So we need to Reimagine, we need to rethink and re engineer, to me, a lot more than just policing. Yeah, I think the opportunit tunity that we're looking at policing to reend. What else do we need to re engineer here? That it down the road, will mean fewer encounters with police because we have a better economy, we have better neighborhoods, we have all everything better when we just and maybe it's just, you know, figuring out a new bus schedule right example. I was just thinking, as I wish sometimes our listeners could hear the conversation that you and I have off air, because I remember that you and I talked about this. That the to me, one of the biggest problems that we face is still it's poverty, it's you're right, the headlines are always even the violence and people getting hurt and shot and dying. That's always going to be headline news. Because it is what it is. When we understand that, you can't you can't not expect that to be but the underlying issues, so almost everything, is this generational poverty that people have experienced in their lives, and this goes bad generations. People have been stuck in a position of poverty for a long time and the best way to get yourself out of any situations where you might encounter violence and have a rough life is to get yourself out of that hole that you'll be stuck in and to be given more opportunity, not just told that your own you're only elts are either drivel a basketball, throw a basketball, throw a football or sell drugs. You have to have more opportunities than that to get yourself out of poverty, because that everyone's going to be great at sports and obviously a life of crime has a lot of bad results as well. So there should be other opportunities to get yourself out of that poverty and to move forward. And you're right that the police stuff is all it's going to be in the news. It's and it's you know, it's something to talk about and there are there are things that can be done there, but that is always the underlying issue is the lack of opportunities for people to get themselves out of out of empoper and and impover's life. I mean, yeah, and it's a huge yeah, but this can, this has to be an opportunity to and I think the discussion and maybe people think, oh, it's too big, we have to just look at police and because we can't do everything. You know, it's it becomes too big. So you're paralyzed and you do and you do nothing because you just it's too big. I can't move, I can't move on any of this, so I'm going to do nothing about it. But I think there are ways, there are different ways in which to enter this circle, you know, and to and interrupt this and I think that there should be, I am there has to be people all about our pay grade talking to the companies that have yet to be announced about this and saying, okay, what can we do to raise everybody in our community through these jobs? Yes, they maybe they may be...

...low wage jobs at the beginning, but that doesn't mean they have to be sweatshot poverty dead end jobs. Right, the job doesn't have to be a dead end job to be an avident of something. If the employer is willing to work with people and and and having sendives or whatever it takes, and as to meet people. Have Way. If you work here three months, you get this, six months you get that. I mean I'm not saying give just open your wallets and just give. No, there's there needs to be, the need and needs to come from both sides on this. But if someone works there for three to six months, why not extra five hundred bucks in the fore ky? Yep, I see, and invest, invest in the people that bring you success. There you go. What now it's Hue. You know, I was thinking about something today and today and I forget exactly where it came up, but it's always human resources that get the least attention. Yeah, well said. See, I feel a little motivated on this one. Thanks very all right. So let's go into the not so happiest of news for the last portion of we're going to talk about today. So I know Maryl will be Warren has been in the news an awful lot and we'll continue to be in the news an awful lot, I'm sure. So she had a talk to address gun violence. I believe that was on Friday, and there was a lot that happened there, patty, there's a lot of sparks flying, there's some back and forth and I guess we should go ahead and talk about that a little bit. Well, I guess you know, in the subsequent days, if you hold a news conference and talk about violence and ask people to find other ways to have their disputes and then there are what, three homicides within forty eight hours? Yeah, yeah, well, what was the effect of that? I mean you know the news conferences and you know we all live stream them and and people see them because they respond to them, and you can look into the camera and say find another way, do not beef d escalate, and then the people who probably need to hear the message the most are not hearing it, eating it or still feel that they don't have they don't have the tools, the skills, whatever word you want to to do anything else. So what was interesting about this was that local activists must have seen the somebody was, you know, I was live streaming. A bunch of other people live streaming must have seen our live stream, came to the news conference and Justin Morris who's who's an activist and former city employee, was challenging the mayor and challenging. Will we lightfoot on what they were saying with saying, you know, we're we get the same results at the same people in we get the same results. What's going to change? It was it was very challenging to that. So what was it? And this was told to me. Someone said this to me afterwards. They they had viewed it and they said afterwards that it would have been a great opportunity. And it's almost, in a sense, for a whole play, because Mr Morris was was challenging Mr Whitefoot, who was responding, and the mayor was getting involved. She what she was trying to keep her voice down, but she was trying to say, Hey, listen, here's what we got going. But it went back and forth between life foot, Morris and and you could hear, you know, the voices rise. So this person who had viewed it afterwards, who were having a conversation, said wouldn't it because because every we're all getting a little anxious. Right. What's then? This isn't public brought it, but what's going to happen?...

This is this is potentially an argument. Wouldn't lived in want wouldn't have been great to somebody all of a sudden, somebody goes okay, and seeing and we saw a debriefs. Okay, what happened here? People had an argument and it could have gotten out of hand. This is what's happening in the street people. No, take that, use this as a as a learning yeah, there you go. It wouldn't have been something of you know, this is what has to stop. And I don't know. I was not on the street at one o'clock on on one am Saturday and zero a m Sunday yes to what happened with with the shootings and and why they happen. But, and this was a person who observed the live stream of it, we were talking afterwards and it was his comment that had me think of that. Yeah, we could have been a training film and a sense of they were all these people around. I mean I don't think anybody felt endangered, but is that how things start? People have a disagreement and they use words and then, to quote the Joan I'm a trading song, they use words as weapons. Yep, YEP, Yep. No, it's this is a great question and it's hard to answer because it's so he okay, so here's this. Is this probably going to be a bad analogy. I'm going to say that right off the back. This is maybe about better alogy. However. So, as you know, I have children and when we have, let's say, a jar of cookies on the table and you tell your kid, hey, listen, eating committy cookies as bad for you, don't go in there and just eat all the cookies because you can't do that. It's bad for you as bad for your teeth. Blah, blah, Blah Blah. You walk away, you come back, half the cookie jars gone, because they did it anyways. It's kind of like that some if someone is their mind made up that this is what they're going to do, I don't know. If you tell them, Hey, talk about it is if I don't know if that's going to stop them from doing it anyways. But you're right. I do think that the people who need to hear this the most or need to learn about how to other ways to handle disputes than going right for the right for a weapon. We're probably not paying attention to this at all. The people like you and I and other people that are trying to see what's going to happen and what's going to be done. We're the ones that are watch again and we can pass the message along and hopefully some people who are listening to the show who may have, you know, an anger management issue where they may have, you know, get upset really fast and things get heated really fast, make listening now. They that's a that's an important message. But I think that some people they're already their brains are already already, you know, I fun they're already predisposed to just getting the gun and do what they do anyway, because I just there that's their lifestyle. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean is that? Is that the addedge of all you have is a hammer. Everything is a nail. So so then work that's being on in the city school district with restorative justice, right, and things like that. How how we want it fixed now? Yes, I know, hilent right. So things like restorative justice, things that are going on in in schools and even in other places in the community, is a building, is a process, it's a you know, like listen, so they broke ground on this place and gates, right, it's not going to be put up tomorrow. So great, we're so we're breaking round on anti violence. It's not going to be solved tomorrow. But just...

...the fact that you hold the news conference and then within the next so that was Friday afternoon to Sunday morning. I'm bad at math, figure the hours three people were dead. Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. Did you even hold this thing? We did it. Did it even matter? So maybe maybe the thing is, and of course this is you know, is a person in the news media who needs to write about this stuff. Maybe you don't hold news conferences. Maybe you just go do the work. Yeah, I end up someplace and tell them what you're going to do. You just go out there and you and you do it and then. So this may be a huge your line of a bad analogy. So last October, so it would in October of nineteen, when we first started hearing about the a team. The team has gotten some, know, some push back. There's been some criticism of them because it's tied to law enforcement, things like that. Right, right. Fifteen held in the first news conference and or to report. I asked will, you've been doing this for six or eight months or a year. How came we just hearing about it now? Question, and the response was we wanted to have some data to show you we want to just say we're going to start this program right. Want to have something to show you and they they some data. I did a follow up story with it. I queried, you know, how many did our P RPD, sheriff, one of the one of the town's you know who's using this the most? So the data. Looking back, that was a smart move. Yeah, so why do you need to hold much friends in the media will put you do about. You shut up, but why do you need to hold the news conference to say what you're going to do? Why don't you hold a news conference to say this is what we did? Yes, I get transparency. You want to be transparent, but there are other ways of being transparent. You know that you can send out a news release. Hey, we're going to do this. You know we're not any when I camera on it, but here's what we've got. You know, if you have questions, email whoever will be email the questions too, and we'll be back in six months with it. I just I think you look a little it's a little tough to stand there on a Friday and then what do you stand there and then stand there at the beginning of the week and say, well, yeah, we had. We had, you know, more shootings over the weekend. You just stood there and said what we're going to do? Because then natural question becomes, well, you said you were going to start this immediately. What happened? What happened? Right, yeah, that's and that's I mean, it's not an unfair question. But they'll say, well, we just started this, right, yeah, yeah, but look that you know. Yeah, you anounce this, you're in the middle of the Jefferson Avenue. Your news conferences becomes something else because an activist comes in and challenges you about what it is you're really doing. Right, and then you have more shootings immediately after. I think, I think that everyone, everyone who's a politician, should have just heard exactly what you said right now and for every every pot if there's a polity, to listen to this show, which I doubt, but if there's a politician, listen to the show, listen to take heed to that, because I know politicians love to be on television. I get that every politician wants to be on TV because it's more publicity for yourself. We all understand that. But I patty, there's a lot of things that agree with you, but this is one of those things. I could not agree with you more. I don't like people making announcements of you know what, violence is bad and you shouldn't be violent and we have a plan for neck. Okay, I don't want to hear that. What are you doing? What are you doing? So you're right, release something in a publication or a paper. Something is saying the initiative to bubble bus starts tomorrow. That's that. There's your publication. It starts. You do it as you're into it. Then hold the conference. All right, we're six months in. Here's what we've seen, here's...

...what's working, here's was not working. I think that's so much better than just pubbing the table. Some people violence is bad. We're going to do something made violence okay, good, that's great. But you know, and the city kind of did this. They they and I don't have it right in front of me, so I didn't know. We're going to take our conversation this way. But they're doing some things. You know. They've moved the the the FACETT team and victim assistance out of police into the human services part and they're starting. It's going to be the and why am I blanking the CRT and why am I blanking out what the accreative is to me? If you're fucking you're fully said. They send this release out and it's vague and whatever. So I call and say I think this is really vague. What is exactly going on? Have a conversation with Daniel Limon Torus from the city, which will be writing about in the next pub hopefully this week. Hope we talked about it next week, but saying what it is they want to do. So she has a conversation with me. I don't know how many other media outlets called her to say, okay, what exactly is this going to be? How's this going to work? What are you thinking about? Lays out this is what the plan is it going to be piloted or whatever? Doesn't hold a news conference to say this is what we're going to do, sends out the news release. If you want more information, call somebody and they'll talk to you. She's spend a half hour talking to me about it. Yeah, so it's just I think it's just a better way to do it because it also allows the people who were rolling out these programs. It gives them a little wiggle rule. Yeah, you know, to say okay. Well, we get done it for two months this. Has It really worked? Do we need to adjust for the next three more? We really make a splash and go public? Was We have put it out? We haven't. We haven't hidden it behind anything. We've told them we're going to do this. There you go, I can sense again. Okay, too much. We're going to we're gotta figure this out. And you know, nobody wants to look bad. Nobody wants to feel backed into a corner. Nobody wants to and have to answer that the really difficult questions that are going to embatters. Some nobody wants to do that. Nobody wants to ask those questions. Right. How do you get the information out of what you're doing in a way that is going to be constructive, that you're not going to have a news conference and a couple day in a day or so that's going to go. Okay, well, you had some shootings over the weekends. Yeah, he'd ask this question, but kind of what happened? Yeah, right, somebody wants nobody wants to do it. We don't have to make the people on the other side of the microphones look bad. We don't write. Are you going to making sense again. Patty, you got to stop doing it all the time. All right. Well, you know, I usually do final thoughts, but I'm not going to. I think I just want to end with you today, Patty, because I think the stories that we've done today, I think are important. Don't forget Tuesday, which is tomorrow, is voting day. So if you have not taken your up the opportunity to do your early voting or if you have not done absolutee voting, tomorrow is the big day. Make sure you go out and vote, because the only way you get your initiatives activated or enacted is for you to get the people in place to go ahead and do those for you. So you have to have your voice heard. Please go out and vote. Many people have done a lot of work to give us the opportunity to do that, so don't, don't throw that to the wayside. Make sure you do that, all right. Thank thank you, honor honor. The people who stare down a dog in a fire host absolutely, absolutely well said again, like people, people like myself and Patty, wouldn't be able to do what we do if it wasn't people that can be for us. So make sure that you go out there and try to do what you can to support your cause and your initiatives. Patty, anything you want to give the same people before we get out of here? I think that's it. Please, like I said, please, please, do that. Every time I missed the voting booth, I missed a Kuchunk too. I do too, write.

I really, you know, I did absentee that I dropped off at the board of elections. I I miss I missed that because that has that is what the word the Gravitas of voting, and I missed that and you went when I when baby crying up when I hear that, you know, I would make me Christ because my grandmother, my father's mother, large for the vote before one thousand nine hundred and twenty and and and I honor her by doing that. And when my mind I here could do I like the old school speciales to Hey, don't forget what we till me for Ge out here. I want to make sure I mentioned that. That what we talked about. The warehouse is being built out or this being constructed, and Gates and all the other stories that you heard in the headline news. They're all available on the minority reports website. Minor reported that net. Make sure you go there and visit that site. Like I said, also support local journal listen to get those kind of stories continuously. They are important to you. That talk about you and your community. Make sure you go ahead and subscribe as well. And if you missed this up, if you're just turning it out, guess what, the show is over. So you missed it, but don't worry, you can catch the replay of this show on inside the margins, radiocom on Iheart and wherever you get your podcast. All right, Patty and I are out of here. We will see you next week. Thank you so much. This is inside the margins. You take care. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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