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Dr. Mendoza on Covid Disproportion and Patti Volunteers for Vaccine Trials

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Patti asks Dr. Michael Mendoza about Covid disproportion within the communities in Rochester..and Patti volunteers for the vaccine trials and shares her experience 

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...two hundred and fifty on top of what we're seeing. So the most recent numbers that we have or for yesterday, which was the sixth, and again this is what was reported with the county reported that day. We reported on that day, not that it happened that day, but those that's the data. That's the day they're reporting these cases. Five hundred and twenty six on December six, and so the seven day average of new cases is five nine four new cases per days, almost six hundred cases a day, which makes sense because late last week we had two or three days which exceeded six hundred cases. So that makes sense. The seven day rolling positive rate of test is seven point two zero. So they do not on Sundays. They don't update hospitalizations, so we don't know what that right. You will be until later today and Monday when then those numbers come out. But the state looks at things like the rate of positive tests, hospitalizations, new tests, new, excuse me, new cases to see if they are going to take your zone to the next level. All right, I would I I can't recall what the exact new merit value is to do that, but I would think, based on these numbers, parts of Monroe or heading for a red zone. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right to the numbers and fortunately haven't really be getting better at all. Sometimes you'll see a moderate, very slight decrease, but there's still been they've been pretty elevated consistently. Now you brought up that you weren't at you did a press conference with Dr Michael Mendoz and Adam Bellow. I wanted to talk about that for a moment because last week on the show we kind of talked about the disparity between with covid within the communities, the numbers within the black community and within the white community. And at first it seemed that the numbers in the Africanamerican community were rising at a more elevate at rate than in the white community. And that seemed to have switched. It looks like now white communities are seeing elevations at at a higher rate than the minority, the my minority population. Now it's not the fact, it's not saying that there's more whites versus blacks, it's saying the rate of increase. It we're talking about here, and you pose the question at that press conference and got kind of a unique answered. I want to go ahead and have you talked about that for a moment. So, if you recall from from last week, there is every periodically the center for Community Health University Rochester puts out demographic data and, as we know, earlier in the pandemic it was very the numbers were for minorities was three, four times right. Yep, of quite so. There was. There was a narrow window as of there was data that was released as of October twenty one and then another other data on November eighteen in that time period. So so it's you're looking at from the data as of October twenty one and then from the data that was released as of November eighteen. During that period the rate for whites per a hundred thousand population, of the statistical stuff, almost doubled and the rates for blacks and Latinos went up by about a corner and one case and by about a third and another. So the rap tweat up, black and Latino still, or adjusted for population, still have more cases,...

...still have higher hospitalizations, more deaths. mean the still is this burden of disease. But for this sort of moment in time, there was a big spike in cases among whites less of a spike in cases among minorities. The some of you may remember that show, was the sixty fourzero. Now a question why? Right, and you know so. I talked with Dr Wynde Clark, who's the president of the Black Physicians Network, and she was not going to hang her hat on any one thing. It's just a couple of data points. We don't really know. We need to look for this a little bit further. You know, how much more data can we get to to justify, order make to make some kind of intelligent analysis right on this. Yep, you know, part of it is you know, as as she's a prevention medicine specialist in that she would love to say what was all the outreach we did in October when we did the testing at the at the city churches, but that four week period of time, we'd love to think it was all the education we gave people. Right, say that very to think at education worked for people. Right, that would be great. So don't know, but it's something that is gout. People saying they're thinking about this, whether they actually are they going to do something about it? But it was a question that people hadn't seemed to have heard before this. I told you this is why you're one of my pair of people, is because you throw these great questions out you. It's obvious that you've been doing this for a while, because sometimes questions like this throw people off guard. So I actually, Patty, have a clip of a response that you got from Dr Mendoza about that very question. You also had a follow up question, so we're going to play Dr Mendoza's response to that question and also the response to that follow up question. In regards to the disparity between the white and the black community. So here is the response to Doctor Mendoza. Well, before we make any conclusions, let's remember that we're only diagnosing what we're testing, and so I think we have to make sure that we're increasing capacity for testing in the city, because if the lower numbers in the city are it results of not testing enough, then that conclusion is is premature. That being said, it's been a pretty consistent trend in looking at the number of cases that we have found through contact tracing and subsequent testing that the the vast majority of additional cases have been happening in the suburbs, more so than in earlier months in the pandemic, and so you know, the conclusion that we're drawing is that there are a lot of gatherings that are happening in the suburbs. I imagine that these gatherings are happening in the city but for whatever reason, the the transmission in the city is not nearly what it looks like it has been in the suburban Zip Code. So I think we need to pay attention to gatherings no matter where we are. I think we need to make sure we're taking our procs precautions no matter where we are and I would probably want to withhold you know, judgment as to you know the reason for why it looks like there might be a lower rate in the city right now, because I'm not sure I'm prepared to make that statement yet. So, following up on that, though, with testing with the site at East High School, what else is going to be done to make sure that you're getting to make sure you're sampling a large enough size so that, the numb Ya did, the numbers are true in a sense on scientific word. So so my understanding is that we're going to be testing at four different sites in the city. Now we have to make sure that we're testing in a random sample of...

...city residents. So if we're simply testing among students, that's not going to be a representative sample of the rest of the adult population in the city or anywhere. So we've got to make sure that any testing program that we undertake is honest, is is taking as random a sample as possible so that we gather accurate data and and draw valid conclusions about the problems of covid in the city or any community. But I do think that we've got to increase our testing capacity in the city so that we can answer the very questions that you've posed, Patty. All right, so that was Dr Mendel's responding to a couple questions that you had asked, Patty. So let's address the first half of that. And you kind of you brought up the same point we were talking about just just a little bit earlier, the the change in numbers, of the increases between those in the communities. His response didn't really give us any speculation as to as to why. He pretty much just kind of sad he didn't want to speculate. And there's a possibility that we're not testing enough and within the communities. That sounds like what is that was his answer. Is that that sound accurate to you? Yeah, you know, it's it's difficult because, I mean, you know, he's got the man is riding in your recycle, yeah, spinning plates, Juggling flaming torches and here comes the knives, right. So he says, you know, he's looking at so much with with covid and I, and I, you know, I lock onto one to one thing and I expect him to be the expert, you know, on on my little on my little piece of it. But I think you know. The issue to me why I think the health department should be a whether that's him or somebody else there, is that issues of equity and issues of of minority marginalized communities have been, since the second week of this thing, have been the focus, have been what people are talking with, people who've never talked about equity before. Now all of a sudden we're talking about how we're going to get vaccines distributed equitably. Can you remember in your lifetime at how anybody cared about flu shots being distributed equitably every year? No Vaccines? If you ever remembered a conversation or public conversation about are we going to get those into into challenge neighborhoods? I don't remember that, and I worked as health reporter for nine years. Yeah, the part of that was on me for never writing about that, but you know, that just was not an issue. It was just taken for granted that everybody who wanted a flu shot would get one and we didn't. We didn't talk about barriers that much to health care. Right now that's all we're talking about. So yes, I think it's incumbent upon the health department to have answers to those kinds of questions. Yeah, Nope, I I agree with that. So we're going to do what they didn't want not want to do. We're going to speculate. So we're going to try to figure it out why we think. Well, again, I want to make sure I preface this, there is no research at shows any reason why this happening. Yet with we always knows that it's happening. There's no we don't have any evidence as to why it's happening. So we're going to I'm just going to throw some things out there and I just want to get your opinion on which you think so. So, Michael Mendoza, he did say that it looks like it's more. It's happening more in the suburbs than it is in the inner cities and, as we know, minorities tend to live in the inner cities more so than the suburb so that what right there would tell you that there's there is the population of whites in the suburbs that are getting at getting it now at a higher rate than the population of minorities who live in the inner city. My thought process as pret now, there's a couple things, like you said...

...before. Number one, perhaps it is working. Perhaps all the teachings and the education things that they're trying to do is actually working. Maybe maybe people are listening and and and doing what they're supposed to do. Also, I've always maintained this and I know we kind of hinted that on this last week. I think depending on your beliefs politically also kind of motivates your actions as to how seriously you take this disease. I think some people, because of their beliefs, tend not to believe in the severity of the virus, so they do act take as serious precautions to prevent it as other communities do. Would you what do you think about that? I think there may be some truth to that. I think there may be something too about who or your role models at had conversations with friends about this. Is that the messaging? So every week on Thursdays at thirty on the you can watch it on the county facebook page, Adam bellows counties, that you just facebook page. The news conferences carry live, so you can watch this and you can hear what they say. My guess is this week it's going to be similar to what they said last week in where your men ask wearing this together women. Contact with people outside your household's going to be the same, same thing. So part of me thinks that message is it has been tuned out. M Part of me would like to see and somebody did did. Did Hint at this, talked about taking a mental health approach to this and have you know, come soords mental health professionals delivering or crafting a message on this. Why aren't we having health educators, health teachers stick in the City School district? How to let some teachers go? Those those individuals are good at crafting lesson plans and setting goals and objectives. Where are where are the professionals in helping develop a message that will get through two people in a different way? Because I think it's time to change things up a little bit. We get we'll talk about vaccines a little bit later, but, Matt or, for regular people to get that vaccine could be six months to we right very good self. In the meantime, what do you what are you going to do? How do we take messages against smoking and smoking maates have declined overall, though in some communities they have gone up a little bit, or you haven't declined as much. I should say right. So, but antismoking messages overall have been pretty good. Not Drinking and driving, over all, that message is heard, but again there's a huge enforcement piece on that. There is no very good pointant not wearing your math yep, so that's the difference that. So I'd so as I say that I take that back a little bit with with, you know, with with Duis and dwis. But what, what approaches to public health have we taken that have seemed to have been successful in getting people to change behaviors? And can we get the people who have developed those messages to work on better messaging or mask for physical distance, for other types of things? I think it's time to change up that message, to change the change the delivery and change the message in a sense. And how do we do that? Yeah, that's that's a very good point and I think you're right. I think I'm going to remove D Wi douire of that too, just because there is a obvious increase enforcement. If you if you go back to like the S and even s, the enforcement was not as critical on Gwi's. They weren't checking as out and even the penalty for it wasn't...

...as severe as it is now. It is now much more severe than it was back then. So I think that is you're right that that has more legal rampifications to it. So I don't know if that is going to be in the same balking, but smoking is a very good comparison. So so here's the thing, patty, with with the smoking, with smoking, a lot of it. What they did, if you saw those commercials, they showed people in the hospital, right, they showed people what like half their face missing, people who died from lung cancer, people who are dying from one cancer, people who died young. You know, they so they showed very graphic images of what we could happen to you if you continue to smoke. And also, no one really argued the science on smoking, right. They the fact that it causes cancer and and the and how likely it is for you to catch cancer if you, if for you know, from prolonged smoking, whereas I don't know, people we haven't really showed I mean, people hear the numbers, you hear about the rates and the death rates and all that stuff. I don't know, should we maybe show more of what it looks like for people to struggle with Covid so people actually can see it, because you know that I'll saying right. People won't usually take things seriously until it happens to them or someone around and this, unfortunately, I believe that's true. I don't, I think, for unfortunately, if you if your immediate circle isn't suffering, or if you have a friend who got covid but you know they're all too healthy and it did not affect him that much, you mean covid nothing. My friend got it, he was a he was fine. He had like a hit the sniffles and he recovered. But there's people that you know are I had a friend of mine who who passed away, you know, from from covid. So it's not that's not the same for everybody. So maybe we should show that. Maybe we don't. I mean, I feel almost dirty say that, but maybe we should show like this, this is how it looks to struggle when you have covid. So long term, scare tactics, don't they have diminishing returns? Yeah, over time, scare tactics. So you've got to come up with a way that will that will reach people where they are, have meaning to them and let them be able to somehow internalize that message. So how do anybody's an individual. So some things that will that will resonate with me won't resonate with you. Right, yeah, plan. So you need numerous approaches to this. For some people you need a scare approach initially. Now, I know having schools to facebook, people who put up the things about you know, this is, if you don't like the hard to read them masks, here's what it's like to be in debated, and they'll show that and they'll have the diagrams of it and I have even the smiss those being yet it's, you know, this is just facebook at whatever. So you know, yes, I have a master's in health education. I should be one defining this message and getting this message, but I know that it's also difficult because it's very difficult to change behavior. One of the things, and I said this, is some of you we're talking about this. So I urge people this Thursday at hundred and thirty to watch the news conference. Tune in like right a one thirty. Hopefully you'll get to see a little bit of the back and forth before they started. So it appears to me evident that bellow and Mendoza have somebody in the office with them, because occasionally off when they're right was we're getting going and we have the zoom because we're asking questions, so we're in a little bit earlier than it goes. Alright, but we see them sort of, you know, mouthing to somebody there. Maybe they're six feet apart from somebody. What if they did? What if they were to say, there are other people in this room with me, I'm going to wear my mask in this news conference and I'm sorry TV people, it may make for bad video, but there's somebody in this room with me who can't...

...be six feet away. I'm going to do that. I don't know. Is that something that modeling? You know, there are theories of behavior, role modeling, social learning theory. We learn from other people, people that we admire, people in positive that we can positions of authority power over us. We emulate their behavior. Right, I said this before the Charles Barklay thing, right about rights? Right, yes, he he is. So there are people out there who are role models. Where are we seeing them? Aware of the people that they want to influence with their mask on? Right, there was kind of sort of an awkward moment a few weeks ago the black and Asian caucus of the Monroe punning legislator legislate. Your held in news conference. They wanted to talk about the budget coming up, the budget cycle and hearings and things like that, and so they're Stan there for five people standing there and the speaker would take his mask off to speak. Sometimes sometimes he left it on to speak as long as he was in microphone. But somebody else there was did not have a mask on for a period of time and there was sort of standing shoulder to shoulder. What does think? What does that look like? Then this individual put the mask back on and you can go look up the video to the station. minorready report had it on their facebook. So go go work for if you want to steep home talking about so we're what is what? What does that say? If you're if you're standing there for five or ten minutes without your mask on, then you then you put it on the rest of the time. What what do you what's that saying? What's all about individuals. It's all about me. So I went for a walk with two different people over the past weekend and outside in the woods, will tends in each time I said I will if you're I will wear a mask. Do you want? I basically said you want me wear a mask? Yep, and it was fine. was just the two of us. I go for a walk with neighbors. It's a group walk and I was walking out front with one of the person. I wasn't wearing a mask that she was. She said You, a couple weeks ago you were wearing a mask and today you're not. I'm not judging, I'm just asking why. And I said, well, if everybody on this walk would man that wear their mask properly, I would wear mine, because if you wear it improperly, you might as well not even wear it. Right. Yep, I said, I am also out in front with you. Are Not in the group and we are on we are at the either side of this path. So we have we have the distance, we're outside and we can maintain a distance. Right, Yep, which is what think, which is what the guidelines us social distance in the distance. If you're in a crowd outside, you wear the mask. When I'm in the crowd with people, I wear the mask. If I'm walking with one other person and we can maintain a distance. I was on a group like couldn't maintain the distance or the mask, masks, right, right, right, no, you know it, that goes. This the last we'll talk about this, that we'll get into that vaccine, because I'm really curious to hear how of how that went. But you're right, that was kind of the point that I made earlier to people in positions of power are very, very important, because they are the ones that motivate their followers to do whatever it is they want them to do. Right. So, if you're the person and you're saying you know, mask are important and I'm going to show you that how important is because I'm going to wear mine, people who respect you and follow you are more likely to follow suit as to what you're doing. If you're a person that that is kind of spouting off the conspiracy theories and you know mass don't work and COVID's not real or whatever, and your your person and power, your followers are going to believe what you're what you're saying. It doesn't it doesn't even matter what the science says. You can actually have a book with eighty, ninety hundred scientists telling you miss. Listen, here's the there's the facts and proof about, you know, mask versus no mask.

They won't care because the person and power and a leadership role who's telling you that it's not really a big deal, you don't really have to wear it, you know, do whatever you want, they're going to take that message because, especially right now, as we was, we talked about, and I'm sure three or four of our episodes now with covid fatigue, because it's been going on so long. People are tired of wearing their masks and if someone in leadership roll tells you, you know what, you don't really have to that's the that's what you want because of fatigue. That's what you want to hear. You want your some tell you go and take it off, don't worry about it. You thank God, I'll take this thing up. I don't like it anyways. So you're right. I totally agree with you. People who are in leadership roles need to take responsibility because they are role models and people are going to look for them for leadership, and if you tell them to walk this way, they're going to walk that way. So so you got it. It's really important and, unfortunately, and you and I are really leaders that way. But you know, we're also again, we're also on radio, so but again, we are we're not in the studio together. We're not in the studio together. We would have mass absolutely we did. Be like talking under underwater. Probably as far as young getting getting good sound, not. We're how many miles away are we? You know, and very good point places. So so we're not having mess. But the other things. I again talking with somebody else who has a seven year old granddaughter who initially hated wearing masks, wouldn't wear the mask, fust and fust and fust. Now has said it doesn't bother me. This is a seven year old saying that. So maybe our role models need to be seven year olds. Very good point. Who you know, kids who wouldn't think would wear them, would tear them off, whatever. And now this is part of what this child you know. She ties her shoes, she puts her mask on. This is it takes. It can. Why don't we have, okay, the ice bucket challenge years ago, couple years ago, right, I speck a challenge was huge. It was yeah, mask challenge. I mean, where are the creative minds that make this stuff up? That can, if you can have people pour a bucket of ice over their heads around the country, of the world. Almost had been to be around the world and it wasn't a hot day in July, right, and you wore ice over your head. Why? Why are the people who who got everybody to do that, or not everybody, but got a ton of people to do that, coming up with ways to convince people to wear a mask when they're out in Bob? Yeah, that confound me. There's got to be some advertising challenge out there. And why haven't we seen that, at least here? I haven't seen it. Hear Mat of you. I've not watch a lot of commercial TV, so I may have missed it. Tell me if I missed it. I don't think you missed it. I I haven't seen anything. And I think someone in and the entertainment industry. You definitely someone that a pop someone who's in like you know, pop star or Pop music. Definitely could be a person who could be inspirsed inspiring on that all right, before we run out a time, I want to get into the vaccine trials. So, yeah, I saw, speaking of social media and all that stuff, I saw a social post from you and regards to the vaccine trials, and and and and you, I believe, took part of that and I just want to hear that was like, because everyone this is this is the news right now, right, everyone's waiting for the vaccines that come out. This is the big story. And our own petty singer for journalism. You're listing purposes, which they again this I could. I couldn't ask for a better partner. You want ahead and you did this. So please, I'm dying. Tell me, tell me how this went. Well, it not just for journalistic purpose? I don't plan to. I know, I'm I am okay, so I am. I am a middle aged white well in the medical establishment has always been my friend, right, right. So, so I get the fact that, oh, yeah, you know, my person signs up for vaccine, and I'm not telling anybody else to do to do this. I mean I had my reasons...

...to do it, one of which was I hit. I had sort of initially when they first were talking about this, way back when there was a new they had a news conference about it, and so this is how you can sign up for the vaccine. Chother this was this was the first one prize, and so, in the interest of thorough reporting, I went on to see what what it was like to do that so I got initial email back. We've received your registry. Never heard anything. And yet. So now they're coming back with they need more volunteers. So they've got another push. You know, they call the media, have come to a news conference, virtual news conference, and persist. So one of the things I said was, well, you know, you asked people months ago to sign up for this stuff. People never heard back. Why should they, you know? Right, yeah, why should they believe you now? Right, you meet them in a sense, and so somebody called me back from the study and explain something. So, you know, I kind of you know, asked the I was being difficult to them in the news conference. So I am in that sense. Okay, you know, I shot my mouth off. I put my money, my money where my for my big mouth is. But there's another reason why I did it. My father had wet macular degeneration and he was in a study about a Matty, a child medication that he had to get an injection in his eye. Who Cheese. Wow, if my father can take a needle in his eye, I can take one in my eye. Very good point. Well, my goodness, that's he got the medication ended up getting. He ended up getting the actual medication. It has now become the standard of care for maculate degeneration, and so he was part of that initial group that did that and I can't, I can't even go to the eye doctor. I can't have someone that for him to do that. You know what? Stick me in the arm. That's that's a tough man. That's a tough man. I that's that's World War II. You know the man, the man crawled out of a flaming tank right and took a nito in the eye. This is this is what I can do. Ye as I sitting in the office at going through all this stuff and I was thinking about generations before mine that had sacrificed, and I am incredibly fortunate. I had two parents who supplied me with everything, everything I needed and most of what I wanted. Made try to make my life, my childhood, better than their childhoods were because of when they grew up. And I don't want this to go bad. I don't want to have a bad reaction from if I even got the vaccine right there. Chance I got it one through, chance I didn't. I don't want anything to go bad here. So, like I'm I don't on a matyr myself right the syringe. We don't want you to do that either. You know, people sacrifice for me, my my father sacrifice for other people. So trust me, this was the least I could do. If you think about it right, if you think about our generation is being called to do. Did you have any any any fears or any any butterflies of the stomach when this was happening? Or No? I've had I've done other studies, not like this, but I've been involved in other types of research. I've had vaccines and they've had the shingles vaccine. You can get some reactions. Yeah, I said to a nurse friend the other day. I told hers in this and I said that that. So I went on Friday, this is money day. So Saturday, because I was changing into my PJ's, I noticed that my...

...injection site was a little red and look the little look the little puppy. I'm comparing both sides, you know, you know, flexing and all this, all this topic. What? And so, when talking to a nurse friend, she said, well, if it was a little bit read it goes, you may have gotten the facts scene because your body may have been mounting an immune response. Yeah, I get allergy shots every month and most months I have redness around that injection site. Yeah, the Placebo was it. Is it saling or not sailing? It's just a good water. Yeah, this water, the water. Yea. So what was interesting was I went in with a couple of the people, one person who had been there. This was his second time back. So in the month I go back, I get another injection of whatever I got the first time. Nobody knows. It's double mind, so he would I said to I said, so you're a pro with this. What's it like? And Balla, and he said, I don't think I got the vaccine because my arm didn't hurt. So when they came to the waiting room and took him back, I said to the nurses took him back, I said stick them really hard this time because so, I mean, people are going to guess at this. It's two years. I won't know for two years, right, what I got right. Wow, I'm impressed that you did that. I'm curious. I know very intelligent person you are. Do you have any of those fears, of those conspiracy theories, like there's there they put a micro chip inside you so they can track your be movement. You. Have you heard that there? And it's a there's a bunch of crazy ones out there about this vaccine right now. Okay, so I use a very popular search engine. I go on my computer, okay, and all I need to do is type in three letters and I get dozens of choices of things for me to hit. Come Up. I will get. I will go online and take out the library books and download to kindle and I get suggestions for the books that I've taken out. You go ahead and put a chip and it's vactually, because we can give it up. We have given up our privacy. Yeah, GPS on your phone. Don't tell me about putting the chip in the vaccine. Yeah, all your privacy willingly. Yeah, you fun this willingly. You can't wait to do it by filling out surveys and everything else. Yeah, right, if you're talking to your computer, or hey, lllet whatever. I'm not going to say the name, but you know I'm talking about your that person or that systems listening to you. anyways, you're very good point, and they know and they know what your preferences are, so they can they can make easy if you clear the cash in your computer every after every search for race the history, so you have to type in every website again every time you go to it. So I thought maybe they are, but there are a whole heck of a lot of other ways they can track us. Right. So you so you're pretty much if they are, you're not really worried about too much because it's we're pretty much we've already gone down that road. But you're saying, yeah, we give there is there is no such point things right. Right, man, I will, I'm excited. You going to have to keep every week. I'm gonna you know, I'm going to. I'm going to hassle you'r a week about this now. So every week I just want to get updates on how you're feeling, how things are going, because again, this right now, the obviously the biggest story in the country and probably the world is the vaccine, because there's other countries now, and I'm sure you've seen that, are now working on it. There's one in Russia that everyone is pretty much very scared of because it's Russia that they've come out well with the one. I think. I think the UK has one now to I believe. I believe that the UK has one now I think what is the three here? There's this fiser. Yeah, there's a fiser, the MODERNA, and this is the ASTRAS Anica. I mean the University of Rochester is still enrolling people for a couple more...

...weeks in this study. Rochester clinical research is that's a which is a private company that does clinical reason. I think they are doing eight trials. So if people want to get involved, there are plenty of ways that you can still get involved in vaccine trials. And if you make the phone call and talk to somebody, you're not obligated to to do any of that. You you can see, you can stop it at that point after you've just had the conversation with them. But if you want to find out more about us at Roches to clinical research, the University of Rochester Medical Center, they're doing phase three trials. Is Lots of opportunities for you. It's amazing. I'm well, I'm impressed by your Pattik, thanks for doing that. I appreciate it and I know I was just Joe Qu a says, for jouralistic purposes. I know there's other reasons, but hey, you're part of my your part by show too. So it's got to say so. I appreciate your Patty. Hey, Patty, I don't know if you knew that this, but our program is sponsored by salvators. Did you know that? You hold me that last week. I said that to me last week. Yeah, I heard that. Did you know, Patty, if you go online to Salvatoriescom, you can find out information about food deals and also locations nearest to you. Did you know that? I some guy told me that. Yeah, yeah, I get my news this, this, this, this independent, extreme, independent radio guy. Yeah, telling me this stuff. So I listened to him. Yes, I listened to him and like the thanks solitary sponsor. Going to show. All right, we got to get out here. Before I go, my wife made me promised that I would have mentioned this that we have a new member of our family. Her name is snowball, little tiny white cat that we got courtesy about another friend of mine and broadcasting. So we just picked her up yesterday. She's I think, like eight weeks old, little tiny kitten. So kids love our just want to mention that. Welcome to the family, snowball, snowflake. All right. Well, thank you so much, Patti. Eight. I want to remind everyone Patty did talk about some headline news before we got into our topics. So if you're true, if you're tuning in to the show right now, you missed the headlines and you miss pretty much the topics. So if you want to get the information about the hell lines as you're missed, go to minority report or dotnet. You can see what the headlines were and you can actually read them in their entirety. You also will have the option to subscribe to the minority reporter, so please go ahead and do that. And, like I said, if you're if you're just tuning right now, you did miss the majority of the show, unfortunately, but don't you worry. We have every episode podcasted and saved in our site on inside the margins Radiocom, so you can go there or you can also visit I heartcom or wherever you get your podcast you'll find inside the margins. Patty always a pleasure. Thank you so much, very welcome. As my pleasure to all right, I say we do this again next Monday. What do you say? We go like holy get my calendar, putch in. We're there. All right. All Right, I'm Matt Wilson and for Patty Singer. We will see you next week on inside the margins. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom inside the margins is sponsored by salvators. I just took a DNA Tus. Turns out I'm a hundred percent Rochester. That's right, I got seven Hundredzero matches. We are all COUGIE's. I can't wait to shook your hand. Oh wait, I can't, but I can feed you. Salvators, famous film and You touchless delivery. So those thecom.

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