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Episode · 8 months ago

Summer Days, COVID Nights

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Patti and I discuss what back to school could look like, business initiating vaccination mandates, and giveaways to incentivise getting vaccinated.  

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Well, welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and, as everyone is aware, covid is beginning to change things, back to the bad times, as I call them, where things are beginning to close, mass mandates are coming back, vaccine requirements are here for a lot of places. We're going to talk about that big thing. Also, schools. Schools are right on the horizon, aw right, I'll last. Schools are going to be our starting soon. College as are starting, some colleges are next week, and and the actual grade schools we started in a couple weeks. So what is that going to look like? We'll talk about that as well. And also there has been a way to pursue to persuade youngsters to get their vaccine shots. We'll talk about that as well. But before we'd do all of that, let me go ahead and bring in the person who keeps us saying, and this time of badness, it's the mind orter, reporters, betty singer, hello and good at can into you, Patty. That's quite a burden, man, he's keeping me saying. I don't know you're right now either. We're going to have to have someone help you out as well. So thank you very much. I'm big on mental health, absolutely. I know you are. I always appreciate that and thank you for being here again. I always appreciate talking to you. So, Patty, let's get right into it. Covid these this Delta variant, is taking everyone by storm. A lot of it, a lot of worry about it. Now, because of that, the COVID numbers are rising. The hospital hospitals are going to get filled up again. So that is causing quite a stir in some smaller businesses and companies are beginning to change their policies. Let's talk about that in a minute. I want to get to the school's first. So, as you as you know, at first Patty Cuomo, while he was still, you know, kind of controling this whole thing, he said he was going to let the local government's kind of make decisions on how they're going to handle the upcoming school year. That seems to maybe be in flux right now. It looks like the last statement I saw, and I don't want to miss quote anybody, so this is just what I understood and if I'm wrong, please let me know. Cathy Wholekele, who is soon to be governor, said that she is considering mandating masks statewide. So that would take the decision making out of local the local governments. What are you hearing on that or what's your thought on that? Well, I mean she's it's been reported, particularly in downstate, in some of the bigger areas that you're she's saying that she the state can require to have masks in schools. You know, will they do that? Me, person again, I don't have kids in school, so I don't have to deal with your so this is from a theoretical standpoint. For me, I don't think this is a bad idea. I don't think. I mean I went grocery shopping over the weekend and, informal way, I would say less than half the people I in the store with me had masks on. Right. I just think that, yeah, we're all tired of a mask, but I just don't think that it's a bad idea at this point. Yeah, to have one on. So mandating a mask and schools me personally, not a bad idea. Mandating mask, and I mean government can do that, right, and and and businesses can do that too. Write no shirt, shoes, no servant. Right. So if you I don't know how true this is. So anecdote. Ah, well, if you put a sign that's Ay, no, mask, can't come in. So people, some people will leave, right, some people will go in. I don't know. Is it a wash? You'd have to ask the Businessperson who's counting the receipts at the end of the day, right, you know to do that. I don't think it's a bad idea. If now think about this. So on our news conference, the weekly Covid news conference, the previous on last week, Health Commissioner Documndos, it was talking about words to the effect of I'm not going to be directly quoting him, but you know, we know what works. Masks and schools were at. Schools were not a big site...

...of transmission last year. Right, okay, correct you correct me if I'm wrong, because you do have kids I do. Yes, schools were half the class went Monday, half to school, went Monday, Tuesday, Yep, the other half went Thursday, Friday. Nobody went on Wednesdays. Right. Is that pretty much that? That's pretty much how it worked in many, in many district except for the city's. Right, that was the way it was for my kids to until until towards the end they kind of opened it up. But yes, at for a while it was. That was itay, but was there ever school five days a week fell everybody in that building? There was not a one time. Okay. So, so here's my question. I have a scientist friend who talks a lot about indoor air quality. HMM, and it's one thing. You know, he's done some work on this and looked indoor air quality when the building's empty. Right, what's the common exide level in the buildings empty? Okay, it be fairly low, right, at no time were these buildings filled with capacity. Are Right. Got You. So how can you say that the air quality will be fine if you didn't ever test it under covid circumstances with a full building? So shouldn't we at least be thinking about what the air quality is and how how our viruses transmitted through are no, I'm not saying this to get people all worked up and Oh my gosh, this is another, you know, catastrophe headed our way. I'm just asking the question. I know covid is not flu. I get that. In the winter, though, respiratory and infections of all types seemed to increase. They always because we're indoors. That's correct. So wouldn't it stand to reason if we don't have the best are exchange in the best of times and people can become can pick up a virus, pick up a cold whatever, indoors or more likely to pick it up indoors, wouldn't it make sense that we should pay more attention in covid to our indoor air quality everywhere? Our schools, are offices, every building that we're in? Shouldn't we pay attention to that? And what is the effect of indoor air quality on the ability of viruses to to live for five right and be transmitted? I don't know the answers to that. At least one scientist that I know is looking at that right I think that's a legitimate question to ask. So why not, given what we don't know about indoor air quality. Why not wear a mask? Yeah, no, I think I think that's a number one. I've talked to a lot of different people in regards to this. That's one of the best points I've heard recently is the fact I don't think anyone's this is actually you're the first person that I've talked to with that. It's mentioned this. That the fact that for the most part, most schools on and there's there's I know there's some one off schools that did things. Certainly they there may have been a school that had all their students there, I'm not sure, but for the most part, most schools were not filled on a daily basis with students during the school year because of Covid. So when people say, well, schools are a good way to look at that fact get there wasn't a high transmission rate in schools, so schools are the safest place. But you don't take it you don't take into account that the actual capacity of schools were severely cut because of this. Some people didn't even go back, even when they it's like, for the school that my kids go to, when they finally open it up for you, okay, you can go now, it was like there the last month or so it be. The kids were allowed to be there fighters a week, but the school still gave options to people to do virtual classes. So there were still probably about thirty percent of the students still doing virtual classes even at that time. Who did look at the city right city had they weren't. Then, granted, they opened up, but they it was it was low right, right families that opted to go back. Yep, was. I don't think it was a very high amount. I think I'm remembering correctly. At one point they were going to limit it to certain grades because there weren't enough families in a certain grade level that wanted to go back. But yet they then they decided they were going to offer it to that grade, to those grades, if I'm if I'm recalling correctly, Yep, you're here. That's a then another valid points. So I never and I don't don't know why that never even crossed the mine until you mentioned it today. But that's a that's a great point that we're looking at numbers from these buildings that were not any way, ship or form similar to how they were when they were filled with students who were all going to the school at the same time. Now let me ask you a question. So I know for okay. So, for example, of nursing homes, and I know some of the schools were talking about this too, trying to avoid the quote unquote, mandating of vaccinations. So the option that they're doing is either get vaccinated or...

...submit to is it weekly testing or something like they're dealing so something something like that. I can't remember the frequency, but it but but frequent testing to make sure that that no one's infected. So let me ask you this question, Patty. So, as we know, of right now, children under twelve still cannot be vaccinated. Correct, as of as of as a moment, as of this moment, right now. Could it for a one that I could? I could, they could change right before and we didn't get the memo before we came on the air. So to the best of our knowledge at this point. Right, very well, very well said, I but I appreciate that. And as we know, even if you're vaccinated, you can still transmit covid right, even even if your vaccinately, even if you don't have the effect because of vaccine softens the blow of Covid if you will, you can still carry it and pass it along to somebody, right, from my understanding. Right. So, if you have a building full of people who are vaccinated, also tied in with children who are not vaccinated, should everyone be tested all the time? Why not? That's other than people will go, you know, ballistic over that. So so that it ties into something else that we're going to talk about, which is using incentives to get people to get vaccinated. Right, all right, we've talked about this before and I've had a conversations with other people is covid is. COVID is shown us a lot and me my opinion, just me. I think that it has shown the fracture lines in our society and the fact that in a social media world, in an Internet world, will you can get inform nation tailored to you and you don't have to expose yourself to information from other sources that you may disagree with. I think people are just stuck in the the I me mine way of thinking and if I don't like it, it's wrong. Yep, and not being aware that I may not like it, but I don't live on an island right, right, and so I still have to be aware of my neighbor and not do anything that's going to hurt my neighbor, right, and by me not getting vaccines, semple, because I don't trust it or I don't want to, as opposed to I don't want to get into people who's deeply held. You, we just beliefs. It's like that. That's that's between you know them in their God. That's but a lot of things I hear. It's not a deeply held we. We just belief right, right, it's I don't trust it, I don't want it, I'm going to wait. Then every so often you start to read stories about people who waited and and they wish the time ran out. Yep, yeah, very true. Yeah, it's I think you're you come from an old school way of journalism thinking, which I think is still, my opinion, is one of the better ways of thinking. Is You have to whether you agree or disagree, you need to listen to both sides, right, you gotta. You got it. So, if you're a person to watch a CNN or if your person will just facts, you got to watch both, because just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not true. Just because I I'm not a I'm not for it, doesn't mean that it's not a fact. So you have to you have to do your own research. You got do a little work, put a little work and find out what's true and what's not true and then make you a Sich anice. Why we we always say about it from information understanding, right. You don't want to just hear a story or someone's opinion all the time, even though we do sometimes give our opinis on this show, which is I get it, but you still do want to seek out the facts so you can make an informed decision on your own. You don't want to just say, Hey, my buddy fred says that there's micro chips in the vaccine where they're trying to track you. You know, check that out, seep that's see if that's a factor. So you know what, and I got to tell you. Okay, say somebody were to say that. All right, say somebody were to say that to me, MMM, as a microchip in the thing and they're going to track my movements. All right, I would say to them, is the GPS on in your phone right now? Exactly, because they're trying. What's Your facebook privacy setting set to? Yep, we've given up willingly, for our convenience, more privacy. That I think the government could ever come take yep from us, for we have freely given that up in exchange for cheap goods and services, agreed to get a discount someplace. Every time you you you turn your little map thing on your phone to find a location. You know that's beaming up to something in the sky called the satellite, where they can focus, they can pinpoint where your phone is so they can tell you how to get to where you're going. All right,...

...so they're already true. You are already being you've done that. Will Hey, every time I go for a walk and turn the APP on Yep right to want to know how fast I'm walking, I am giving up my privacy. So so if someone were to say that to me about the vaccine, I would come back with that. Do what's what of the settings on your phone? Yeah, do you use to use GPS? So, so you're still being you still being tracked in that sense. But you know, I think the previous the previous national administration has done some damage to facts. I would and and because I don't like the Sun rising in the east doesn't mean it doesn't there you go, comes into my bedroom window and wakes me up early in the summer there it is so well, I can I can move. I can't change where the sun's going to rise. That's a fact. I have to move my bedroom. Yep, for that if I don't want that at five o'clock in the morning waking me up. We don't. We don't have to like facts, but we have to acknowledge their facts. Now, that being said, science is built on one fact reinforcing another or one finding reinforcing another. Another thing that I think covid has has shown the cracks in is the scientific education in this country. Yeah, I think if more more students, more schools, if there was a better concentration on science, we may not have had as much of this as we end we've got, you know, people who are in these stem courses, they're all into science. That that's great, but the rest of us, somebody like me, who can go through to college careers and pretty much avoid science, that's not that's not good. Guilty. Yeah, right, that's you know. And then I spent what ten years is a health reporter? Hey, way to science and math all, what did I do for ten years of my career? Right, not good that we're that we're avoiding these topics that require us to think and require us to understand. What is the scientific method of experimentation? Getting information, testing that information again, retesting it, testing it a third time, making sure it holds up. Yeah, the funny thing too, is, I think, what one thing that people don't understand. All signs. Then we'll take a break in a minute. We'll get into a next hour. But science is is always evolving. Science is something that you, that you all is a continuation. You're always learning new things, are always collecting new data. Things that were at at one point sometimes our no longer today. So that's what's that's what makes that's why people love science. Science is fun because it's you're always collecting data to find out more about something. You're always doing more tests, more studies, more everything to figure things out. So people a lot of times think science is absolute, like science said this. Let me just this is always that way. Well, it was at that one point, but something may have changed something and now the science maybe point something else. You have to understand that. So that can also work against vaccines, right, and people are using that the latest in science. The latest word is not the last word, right, as you said, sciences e bongs to people will say, well, we don't know enough yet, and now' The way pretty off to por then. So then the scientists need to come up with with a rebuttal to that. So as well. You know, people talk to you months ago. Well, the vaccine was hurried. Well, people, scientists have been working on this method of delivering this vaccine for years, long on time, and it just is was the opportunity to use it. We can go into how did the messaging at the beginning of this effect? I mean this does all kinds of things were going in. But we and the point is, you still eat. Yes, science is evolving, science can change, but the way science works is to test a hypothesis, to test the theory, not to say I have a fear free in this theory is correct. Yep, it tests the theory. Yes, so if if folks who were against vaccines or don't want vaccines or for whatever reason, that it's not a religious, you know, a deep faith reason, just something that they've heard on the Internet, right, if they subject the theory they've heard to the scientific method and then, at the end of that pursuit of the scientificific method, decide, okay, I'm still going to think the way I thought. Okay, at least you have put it to through some rigor. Yep, it wasn't just because somebody told you something. Yeah, right, exactly right, very, very, very well said. I like that. We're going to end on that because that's perfect. I like it. I like the way that said. All right, well, we come back, we will talk about I know, very covid heavy show and we apologize, but code it's we have to because things are going to be starting very soon, like school. So that's why...

...we're talking about this. Also, I was out doing some work for for another company and there are a couple events happening that people there are gatherings or people are participating having fun, which is great, but that could be changing and how you are able to do that. The places that you go and went will maybe required of you to participate in those activities. We'll talk about that when we come back. This is inside the margins. All right. Welcome back, welcome back. Thanks for hanging out with Patty and I so, Patty, I was just when we were going to the break, I was telling you I was I was out doing some works and recording stuff on Friday night and Friday evening, that really late night, but still there's there were people gathering at events and going to places and it was, you know, a pretty warm night. So a lot of people are out and hanging out. You know, we're getting we're heading towards the end of summer, so people are trying to get their last feel of the summer. Events happening and, as we were talking about earlier, Patty, you know, the transmission rate and the infection rate and the hospitalizations due to covid have been steadily increasing in our region and because of that, a lot of Rochter bars and eateries and nightclubs and other events are now requiring patrons to show proof of vaccination to even get in to some of these establishments. Some and some establishments are like, if you're outside, you are free to not be without your mask, but if you're going to be inside of than you everyone require, regardless of your vaccination status, will be required to wear a mask going forward. So I know this is rubbed some people the wrong way, but we're going to talk about this and we're going to talk about why this is happening. So I'm sure you're aware, Patty, because your you are always in the thick of these news and press conferences. The numbers are rising. And what do you think of these changes? At the a lot of these these estelogists are doing so. If I'm if I dreamt this or whatever, but did we talk in the spring about the loosening of restrictions being premature? We did. Ess, we did. We actually did. Is We talked about that a couple times. Did were a few times? Actually, you're right. Yeah, and and you know, I'm not wagging any fingers because there have been places that I've been without a mask. I wanted to grocery store a couple times out of message. Try to put it back on. Yep, we well On. I here all right, but no, I think we jumped the gun on saying we we had the advantage on Covid I mean this is nature, say science, this is Darwinian. These, you know, viruses are going to do whatever they can to survive, Bible to mutate and and and keep going. Right. They're living organism. They anthropomorphizing, putting emotions on it, saying you have to live, I have to live. But the virus wants to live and it's going to do what it can to stay ahead of whatever we're doing to try to try to knock it out. So I would hope that we would learn that we you can't declare victory and go home. Yeah, right, because we I think that's in some people's minds. That's what we did. And No, the Dr Mendoza, the heads of the two hospital systems will say, you know, we're done with Covid, but covid is not done with us. We can't say, you know, we're done, wash your hands, flag in the ground. We're gonna we're going to go home. No, it's I just think that we have to. It's not, you know, I'll be crouchet in the world. It's not over till it's over and all the stuff. But I don't I don't want to wear a mask, but I don't see a problem with doing it. Yeah, Yep, I'm with you. The mask is a small price to pay and an owner for me to still do some of the activities that I partaken. I'm with you a hundred percent. I think you're right. I think the approach perhaps that we set a lot of us to I don't think everyone didn't take this approach. To your and you mentioned it too. Are there are a lot of doctors and scientists who were saying, Hey, we you should we shouldn't be a we're gon, we're free and clear, everything is good. Let's just go ahead and move about like we used to. But they're but there were some people, even in politics of course, that are saying, Hey, we beat covid no, take your mask and just have a mass burning party and let's go out there and do all the stuff that we used to do. And you know those little early and here's the thing, Patty. It's still warm right, it's still a lot of people are still doing a lot of outdoor stuff now and the numbers are arising rapidly now and the summer, and we mentioned earlier, when the weather gets cold, older and everyone's forced to be more indoors, things tend...

...to get worse and that and that, and then that that season. And we're not in that season yet and we're still seeing at the numbers getting bad. So I'm I'm not trying to be dooming gloom. I hate because I hate being that guy, though you know, watch out for but I'm just I'm just setting the facts that we even previously with Covid we saw the our worst times when everyone was crapped indoors. It seemed to lighten up a little bit when people are worn outdoors. That's why, that's why people say you can be outside without masks, but when you're inside you should be. You cheve your mask constants for that reason. And we tend to be, we've tend to be indoors more when there's snow on the ground. Correct. Well, so at the news conference last week, which was what was the date? Last Thursday? I forget these things. I think it was what the nineteen? So August, nineteen of two thousand and twenty. On that day the county reported twenty nine new cases. Yep, so August nineteen of twenty, twenty one, a hundred and ninety seven new cases. Wow. Right. So that was before the variant. At that time, who was vaccinated? Mostly older people, but you hadn't really filtered down into the S for s yet, right, we were still in some you know, tears and and things like that. So the total hospitalized just a few days ago was a hundred and ten and the total hospitalized a year ago, as I'm sliding through to get was forty four. Wow. So, with that expression, the numbers of the numbers. Then there were more people that. I think about the same number of people in the ICEE you from one year to the no, actually more. There were August sixteen of this year. They were thirty two people in the ice you in the I see you and they may have been out of enouated. That numbers not go right. Right. Right. So that's three or four. That's about three times the number that were. That was last summer at this time. So the variant has really done some damage, because we have vaccinations. But but the the heads of the health system said that the people in the icee you in each of their I see us at you are medicine in at Rochester regional all of the people in their icee you, maybe one or two, had been vaccinated. Most of the people hospitalized had not been vaccinated. So, yes, you have a variant that is causing infections. Right, we of these new cases. They're not all one unvaccinated people, right, the people in the hospital of the people without vaccines, right, but the people in the hospital with in serious conspiration, there you go, right, are the ones without vaccine. So what is that telling you? Yep, yeah, I think one of the arguments that we hear about the vaccine. I'm sure you've heard it from many people too. Is Well, if you can still catch Covid, why would you get vaccine? It doesn't make sense. Well, that the numbers that you just run off. That's the reason why, right there. If you're vaccinated, even if you get covid, you're less likely to have serious reactions to the virus then if you're not vaccinated. So if, let's say you patty, you get you for some somehow get covid because of your vaccination status. That is you might not even have symptoms or if you do get symptoms, they may be very mild and compared in comparison to someone who was undaccine, especially if you're unvaccine and you have one of those colporabilities that they talk about now. If you're you have severe asthma and you're not vaccinated and you get Covid, you can have some very severe respiratory problems because of this, versus if you're vaccinated. You know you you may get a little sick, but because you're because of your vaccination status, even if you have asthma, you might not have such a hard time with it. These are serious things that can happen to you if you're a person who is overweight or you have heart problems or you have had issues with breathing at all, if you're not vaccinated, having covid is not just I don't feel good and I can't taste something. It could be very severe for you if you're not vaccing you have these kind of underlying issues. All right, so I maybe punching above my weight here with this analogy, but let me let me try it. So, as you were talking about that, I was thinking that every few years a traveler from a country you're usually Europe, usually southern Europe, where they...

...don't require a measles vaccine, comes through Rochester and later is determined to have measles right they can as I think the last one was maybe three or four years ago, and so the call goes out if you were on this plane, if you were on this bus, if you were in this hotel, if you ate in this restaurant, contact the health department because this is where we believe our traveler was during during this time, measles is highly contagious. Yes, yes, I have. I don't recall. In the time that I was covering health full time, and I think I wrote about two or three of these travel or situations coming through Rochester. I don't ever recall the health department then coming out and saying we have twenty people in Rochester with measles. No, we have anybody in Rochester with measles. Right, even though this person was was on a plane or was on a bus or eight in a restaurant, was in a hotel, I don't recall the health deployment reporting measles transmission in Rochester from this travel from like a patient zero kind of thing. Right. So as you were talking about that, I was thinking of that situation. I'm thinking, okay, so the vaccine protected people. Right, if, where am I going with this? Like I said, I'm punching over my weight. It's it may not be a good analogy, but it's what I thought of when you were talking about that, that when we get unvaccinated people bringing in a potential illness, the vaccine is protecting people who are coming in contact right with that individual. Right, Yep, that's actually that's actually not a bad analogy, as it's actually pretty good and that that's accurate. If someone is unvaccinated and bringing in the virus and you're vaccinated. Here's and here's the thing. Okay, let me switch say this way. So I've watched the news and there's a couple of people as saying important positions, like we're real politicians or whatever, who were vaccinated and came then tested positive for colvid. They had no symptoms. They they they didn't know that they even had it. They they isolated quarantine themselves during their entire isolation in quarantine, had no symptoms. Now, I'm not a scientist and patted you eloquently explained that earlier. How we avoid science in our illustrious cres. But the fact that some of them, that's not just one person I was is a couple people. That explain this. The fact that these people contracted covid didn't know the head Covid, isolate it themselves, had no symptoms before they were out of quarantine. Okay, so yes, while they're vaccinated, they got covid but they had zero reaction. To me, that right there is enough for me to get vaccinated. Look at you know what. I was in a study, and don't get me started on how people who have been in study protocols have been really, I think, hung out to dry. Yeah, in all of this. Yep, don't get that's a whole nother. It's a whole on the topic. I'm not terribly happy with. Let's talk about that some other time. Yeah, with something with some of them, and I'm glad I got the vaccine I got. The vaccine is being used in Europe. So I feel very kind. I mean, I'm following more what's happening in Europe that I am here because I that's the vaccine. I spent in Canada and Europe. But yeah, I mean I again, if it is your it is your religious belief to not use medicine, fine, I mean I but then to me you need to care for your for your brother and sister, your society and all the ways, by wearing a mask, by having responsible social interactions. And if you, if, if your hesitancy against the vaccine is founded in history, well founded in what somebody has told you or founded in what you said on the Internet, there are lots of organizations in Rochester and Monroe County that are trying to help you overcome that reluctance, sphere hesitancy, by doing lots of different kind of targeted interventions. But this is going to come a point. There's about two hundred fifty thou people in Monroe County. I think that that haven't had yes, I haven't had one shot. I've one right, right. So I guess my question is, can we realistically come up with two hundred fiftyzero interventions? Can we go to each person and say, Matt, why aren't you getting the...

...vaccine? It? Because then it becomes then we're in a contest against time, because then there'll be another variant that will that will come out, and then we'll we have will have delta. And what's whatever? Is that? The alphabet? After after Delta? Yeah, you know, watch cry Thou becames of India. So it's but whatever. But we'll have another variant to do with. So to some extent we are in a content. I think we're in a contest against time to have people vaccinated so that that the virus. It's like a science it's like a bad science fiction movie. So this virus doesn't mutate again. It's like the Blob, but I'm thinking of these s sci fi blob comes the blob down the street, you know, gobbling up people. So what's our responsibility to each other, to our fate? To our families, are immediate families, as well as our you know, I'm going to be all mushy here. Are, you know, universal family, our Rochester family, to stop this as much as we possibly can, because I we can't go to two hundred fiftyzero people and say, why aren't you taking the vaccine and know, here's what we're going to do so you can take the vaccine. It just I just don't think it works that way. No, I'm with you. You know what, we're going to take all our break I think you'd this is perfect because we're going to segue right into this now. Speaking of trying to hit target of populations, they've been doing a lot of weird things to incentivize vaccinations. A lot of you get to do things or wind stuff or hang out with people and in order to convince you to get vaccinated, and I just want to kind of talked about it, because you're like about how how it is to try to go door to door to two hundred and Fifty Tho people to get them to take it. Are these things? Do we think these things are working? We're going to talk about that. Where we come back. This is inside the margins, all right, welcome back to inside the margins. It's Matt Patty here. So, Patty, we were just talking before he went to the break about trying to reach out to people, the unvaccinated population, and doing things to incentivise them to get the vaccine. And there's some things happening locally here where they're trying to convince the younger population to get vaccine. At they're they're giving you opportunities to meet and Greek some professional athletes, get a signature, get your picture taken with them. But if you or take a shot for a shot, if you will, I think one best class. There's one of them. What do you think of these things, patty? I do you think these are? This is a good way to take convince are the youth of the world to get their vaccination? If I don't like basketball, why would I go right right? So this goes back to this goes back to before. So I don't like basketball, I like Dramam I like, you know, arts and theater. So you're going to have a theater day for me. That I mean I can meet my favorite actor, right. You know something like that. You know it. What? How, how far do you go on these and part of me thinks it insults the intelligence of the people that is trying to were the same that we're trying to persuade or educate. We say we got we need education. You know, I think, I think one of the comments on the county call to Thursday may have been response to the question I asked about this. Still huge disparities in certain neighbor takes alow and, by and by the way, I want to I want to share this with with folks. Let me, let me find this. So according to the Monroe County covid nineteen dashboard, which has some color coded cases and things like that, zip codes and webster appear to have the same number of cases in July as one, six hundred and nine. HMM. So when I looked at that map, I said Webster, really, I thought, you know, you think of something more? We talked about having problems getting people vaccinated or cases in the city. Yes, right. So here we have the one for five hundred and eight zero. Zip Code is the same color code is the one and sixty two nine and ZIP codes in Greece. There are some zip codes in Greece that or a little bit darker than the one and sixt two ones of code. All right. So so what it? What is this saying? is saying that there are, that there are, there could be pockets of vaccine resistance throughout the county. Adam bellow did say in the western part of the county there is some vaccine resistance, although their case numbers are lower in July. But this is...

July, right where in the middle of August, and we've seen a huge spike at arms accurate because data is lagging. It will be interesting to see when they update this, what the August numbers look like on this. This is this is interesting to see. I made do a screen grab to see what the difference is between between July and August on it. So I digressed and lost my train of thought. Where was I about different approaches for different people, for for vaccination. So I'll put my health educator hat on. Change really comes from within. So to a certain extent incentives will work for some people, but a lot of times incentives have been looked at. It's hard that you know it. This is still early. Of On incentives for vaccine, this is still pretty new. But you talk about incentives for quitting smoking, for losing weight, for the for the hate major, major changes in behavior that will set you up on a whole different trajectory of health right for the rest of your life. And incentives may work to some extent. They may get people started, but then if there's something that is not clicking with them internally and something is not resonating with them of why this is an important thing for them to do, then incentive won't hold and then they may go back to the behavior. They may not gain as much weight, it may not smoke because many cigarettes, but they're they're not going to make that permanent change. So the issue becomes, you know, how do you educate in the way or how do you appeal to people in a way that is meaningful to them, that makes lasting change? So I got an incentive. I went and got whatever beers brew for whatever that was. But they did the bruise, they did the beers in the coffee or something like that. Shot something there's I can remember right. So I went for that, okay, and I got my cold shot. I but I never got a flu shot before. Well, what are you going to do for me? You know, son of lies, my flu shot. Is there a Nix? Is there an expectation now, is this like like little kids soccer, where everybody gets a ribbon, everybody's a winner, everybody gets a prize? That's a bad analogy. It just it just strikes me that you can't keep giving things to people and then expect them to always do what is right on their own if you have conditioned them to get something very rewarded for doing what they could. I've done anyways. I guess. Yeah, again, I don't have kids. How did you get your kids to do their chores? Well, they don't. If they don't do their chores, they don't get to have their treat or their snack. That's usually how I do it. You know, okay, but that so then there's still that sort of Pavlovian response. Right, but it's some point do your kids. You have older kids to write. So at some point do the older kids just they now do the chores because they know that's part of living in a guesshole. It there comes. That's a very good point. there. When they're little, when they're very young, you kind of have to put the carrot in front of them and you know, once they get older it's just part of routine. All right, when you before you leave the house, make sure your beds, you know, your rooms clean, your beds made, and then you can go about your day. Eventually, eventually, that's just becomes what they do. You know, I have to tell them to do it anymore. They wake up, they clean the room, theyday, they do it there supposed to do. Then they go throughout the day. Little kids are, you know, four and five year old. Sometimes you got it a you know there's a there's a pudding cup waiting for you, but you don't get it until you're okay, Daddy. But that's not how we want to treat grownups. Right. That's that's that right. So, yeah, it's some point. We should we should be doing. We should we should be doing thing, the thing for the value of the thing, because I like to see my bed mate. Yep, there's something about the end of the day I get to pull the covers back. There you go. I'm into this and and and it's all like I this neat little package. I put myself the right you know, and and so. So I think it's the same. Like if we constantly are offering a premium, or some people call them bride so, people call them incentives, whatever word, then why would i? Why wouldn't I wait for the next time to get the incentive? What's going to be the incentive to get my food shot? I don't know. Are we training people to always want something? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we don't want to do that. So, okay, now I want I got a little pushback for this before, so I want to ask your opinion. So I have a thought process. So, like, first, for schools, right, for for most schools, you have to have a series of shots before they even allow you to go in the schools. Right. I'm not making that up. That's that's that. That for grade schools and for colleges for the most part, you have to have a series of shots in order to even be a part of that education system. Right. So if you don't have them, then you can't go to the building. Right. So that's kind of and I know a lot of people see.

Well, that's kind of you're going to make this going to be devices, your device, if you're going to divide people, who you know? You're going to you're going to condemn the anti vaxxers or whatever, and that's not what I'm trying to do. I don't want to say have the government mandate that everyone has to be vaccinated to go somewhere. But what I'm saying is I think businesses should take it upon themselves saying, Hey, listen, we want to operate, we still want to function, we still want to earn generate income for our business. So what we're going to do is, instead of, you know, having a big gold issue and closing down and make it things that you know where you have to do strictly take out or whatever, you can come in here. But as a lappit lists already doing. You have to you have to be vaccinated to be in here, or you you know you must. If not, you you can't come in here now because it's a private owned place. It's not mandated by the government. Is just that this business itself is saying, I want to protect my employees and my patrons. So I am going to personally say, if you want to hang out in this restaurant and this bar or whatever whatever it is, you must be vaccinated. Show me a little thing, you can come in. You're good to go. If you're then if you don't want to be vaccinated, I'm not saying you have to, you just can't come in here. That's that's my thought process. What do you think of that? Well, and I think that would be peer pressure of things, that I want to go do these things, so I'm going to be I'm going to go get vaccinating because all my friends can do this, so I want to do it. Then you're then you're applying peer pressure to it, which may be bad, but may know, I need to go. Peer Pressure has led people to do to do good things. You know, in this sense, no, but in this sense I think that's that's another way of you can call it an incentive if you want them, if you want to go out with your friends. Okay, another bad example. Right, when I was in college, we would go out to bars and Saturday night a lot of my friends were in some sort of recreation major. They had to take sign language. Okay, so they go to the bar and they can all talk because they're using sign language, right, and I can't. I can't. I you're right. So what do I do? Right, what do I do next semester? I sign up for sign language so I can talk to my friends in the bar. I've since forgotten, you know right, but your basic stuff and it was kind of a fun class to do and and you know, you meet signed to go to deaf clubs, and so you meeting people and so you so you learn, you expand yourself a little bit, but that was pure pressure. They could all talk and I couldn't know what was going on. Right, so I needed to learn the language. So in a sense, so, yeah, so to learn, learn the language of getting vaccinated to be able to do that. Look at Covid. One of the reasons, I think, we opened up so quickly was economics. That's a death. That's true. Look at if you look. Okay, so if somebody wants to do this homework, the website of the state control or go to the controllers website, and I think you can look up on that sales tax revenue from previous months. So last so of two thousand and twenty April, May, June, July sales tax revenue to the point where I think below was a little worried about how we're going to get some revenue and pay for something. Right, right, we open back up sales tax REV sales tax revenue is back up. So look at this from an economic standpoint that if this variant or other variants do what they have the potential to do and business is shut down again, do you lose your job? Dore's, your family lose its business? Is Tax revenue cut so much that we, as a community can't afford things? Yep, right, that we need to do right, up keep it as as a community. We're back in that same economic place where we were in April and May. It was terrible, June of two thousand and twenty exactly. Yeah, yeah, Yep, yeah, so I guess. I guess what I guess. What I'm saying is I don't like the pay for play, if you will, with the vaccinations where, Hey, you got a vaccine, will give you a winning lottery ticket. You get a vaccine, he's five hundred bucks for you. I don't like that. I think that you should if you enjoy your normal way of living, if you like the abilities to go where you need to go to do what you need to do, then if you want to be a person who is part of your community, in your society, you should vaccinated. That's how I look at it. So it's not it's not putting a carrot your face, if you will, but it's giving you the freedoms to do what you were doing before. By by getting this back to so you don't have to get vaccinate, but then you'll be that person that's stuck in your house, not not able to go to a lot of things that you want to go to, only certain places where they don't that where they're not pushing that initiative. But I think it is there a possibility that...

...there's going to be a little backlash of people that they are. So you're denying the people who don't want to get back to the right to, you know, pursue happiness or whatever. I'm sure, I'm sure someone's gonna with twigs it, with twist that initiative to that, but I think, I think personally, if you did that, that would especially with the younger folks who do like to mingle with other people. I think that that would work better than getting your picture taking with the basketball player. Yeah, I mean think right, I think about but but that requires Matt. I think what you're saying is that requires somebody to sit in a reflective moment, yeah, and think about where they are now, where they want to be. there. I want to get to existential honest here on a Monday afternoon. But you know what, what? What is their role in the universe, right, right, whether that universe is just they live by themselves, they live with their family, they live with you know, you know, grandparents on it's, uncle's is, little kids around. You know, where are you in the scheme of things and what do you want? And have that reflective moment and be honest with yourself. Yeah, yeah, why why do I not really seriously, why do I not want this vaccine? Why have I been hesitant about it? And if I have a specific question about it, there are, you know, the finger lakes vaccine hub, common ground health, there are places that have people waiting for you to ask them though, that that question that will that will say, okay, now, I've got that question answered. Okay, now where can I where can I go get the vaccine? Five minutes ago, I can't believe it was that you answer that question. It's that basic. I mean so some of it is. I think the individual has to do a little work themselves. That's true. Not You mean they're talking about. You know, if you have to go do it a door on this thing. It's going to be a while before they come to you and if you're not home you may miss that opportunity. I would. I would urge people to have that reflective moment, really sit down with yourself and say why? And then there are there are many places in this community that will answer those questions for you. As they said, finger lakes vaccine hub, if you google them, common ground health, they've got lots of stuff on their website about vaccine and people who will talk to you, answer your questions, listen to you and and get you the information you need so you can make that decision. But some of this, I do think, has to be on the individual. We can't come to every door in the county. I don't worry. And also, you know what else is? It will kind advised you to get a vaccine. If you get VEX, if you get vaccinated and things start getting better, patty and I will talk about something else. BECAIDES COVID for the entire show. So there you done. Sentence didn't work. I don't know what's up. What's something else they don't want to hear? Don't talk touch that guy. Well, we let's say we've got to that point where we got to wrap it up. Hey, patty, always, always great conversation with they don't forget a lot of the stuff that we talked about here on inside the margins is also covered in the minority reporter. They do a lot of cover John. What's happening with Covid, what's happening in your local community, projects, things, things are a lot of things that are happening in your community are covered in the minority reporter. So what you want to do is go ahead and go to minority reporter dotnet. Again, minority reporter DOTNET. You can get all the the those topics, those stories there also. We say it every show. We want to hear from you the stories that you are important to. You are what matters to us. So if you want to get your story toll or, if you just have comments, your questions that you want to make, that's fine too. You can go ahead and set submit an emails you editor at minority reporter dot met. Again, that's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. If you are just tuning in right now, I tell you this every week too. We're on at three day. I know right, we're on at three o'clock. Come on, what are you doing late than never? Yes, hear the pitch about how you can get the repair. The reply's right. So now, now that you know that we talked about a lot of great topics. You're going to want to go back. Go to inside the marginy Orcom you can. You can catch the full version of this episode or any of our past episodes that may catch your eye. You can also find us on I heart modify. Where were you get your podcast? We're there, Patty. I think I cover everything. Let's do this again next Monday. What do you say? I'll have my people fuck to your people and then we'll go to salvators floor. Sounds like a player, and I'll be by here for for Patty Singer, this is bad. Will soon. It's been inside the virgins. We will see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discuss on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments...

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