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Episode · 4 months ago

Summer Days, COVID Nights

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Patti and I discuss what back to school could look like, business initiating vaccination mandates, and giveaways to incentivise getting vaccinated.  

Marginalized groups can be the target ofnegative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalizedvoices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside themargins with your host, Matt Wilson. Well, welcome to another edition ofinside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and, as everyoneis aware, covid is beginning to change things, back to the bad times, as I call them, where things are beginning to close, mass mandatesare coming back, vaccine requirements are here for a lot of places. We'regoing to talk about that big thing. Also, schools. Schools are righton the horizon, aw right, I'll last. Schools are going to beour starting soon. College as are starting, some colleges are next week, andand the actual grade schools we started in a couple weeks. So whatis that going to look like? We'll talk about that as well. Andalso there has been a way to pursue to persuade youngsters to get their vaccineshots. We'll talk about that as well. But before we'd do all of that, let me go ahead and bring in the person who keeps us saying, and this time of badness, it's the mind orter, reporters, bettysinger, hello and good at can into you, Patty. That's quite aburden, man, he's keeping me saying. I don't know you're right now either. We're going to have to have someone help you out as well.So thank you very much. I'm big on mental health, absolutely. Iknow you are. I always appreciate that and thank you for being here again. I always appreciate talking to you. So, Patty, let's get rightinto it. Covid these this Delta variant, is taking everyone by storm. Alot of it, a lot of worry about it. Now, becauseof that, the COVID numbers are rising. The hospital hospitals are going to getfilled up again. So that is causing quite a stir in some smallerbusinesses and companies are beginning to change their policies. Let's talk about that ina minute. I want to get to the school's first. So, asyou as you know, at first Patty Cuomo, while he was still,you know, kind of controling this whole thing, he said he was goingto let the local government's kind of make decisions on how they're going to handlethe upcoming school year. That seems to maybe be in flux right now.It looks like the last statement I saw, and I don't want to miss quoteanybody, so this is just what I understood and if I'm wrong,please let me know. Cathy Wholekele, who is soon to be governor,said that she is considering mandating masks statewide. So that would take the decision makingout of local the local governments. What are you hearing on that orwhat's your thought on that? Well, I mean she's it's been reported,particularly in downstate, in some of the bigger areas that you're she's saying thatshe the state can require to have masks in schools. You know, willthey do that? Me, person again, I don't have kids in school,so I don't have to deal with your so this is from a theoreticalstandpoint. For me, I don't think this is a bad idea. Idon't think. I mean I went grocery shopping over the weekend and, informalway, I would say less than half the people I in the store withme had masks on. Right. I just think that, yeah, we'reall tired of a mask, but I just don't think that it's a badidea at this point. Yeah, to have one on. So mandating amask and schools me personally, not a bad idea. Mandating mask, andI mean government can do that, right, and and and businesses can do thattoo. Write no shirt, shoes, no servant. Right. So ifyou I don't know how true this is. So anecdote. Ah,well, if you put a sign that's Ay, no, mask, can'tcome in. So people, some people will leave, right, some peoplewill go in. I don't know. Is it a wash? You'd haveto ask the Businessperson who's counting the receipts at the end of the day,right, you know to do that. I don't think it's a bad idea. If now think about this. So on our news conference, the weeklyCovid news conference, the previous on last week, Health Commissioner Documndos, itwas talking about words to the effect of I'm not going to be directly quotinghim, but you know, we know what works. Masks and schools wereat. Schools were not a big site...

...of transmission last year. Right,okay, correct you correct me if I'm wrong, because you do have kidsI do. Yes, schools were half the class went Monday, half toschool, went Monday, Tuesday, Yep, the other half went Thursday, Friday. Nobody went on Wednesdays. Right. Is that pretty much that? That'spretty much how it worked in many, in many district except for the city's. Right, that was the way it was for my kids to untiluntil towards the end they kind of opened it up. But yes, atfor a while it was. That was itay, but was there ever schoolfive days a week fell everybody in that building? There was not a onetime. Okay. So, so here's my question. I have a scientistfriend who talks a lot about indoor air quality. HMM, and it's onething. You know, he's done some work on this and looked indoor airquality when the building's empty. Right, what's the common exide level in thebuildings empty? Okay, it be fairly low, right, at no timewere these buildings filled with capacity. Are Right. Got You. So howcan you say that the air quality will be fine if you didn't ever testit under covid circumstances with a full building? So shouldn't we at least be thinkingabout what the air quality is and how how our viruses transmitted through areno, I'm not saying this to get people all worked up and Oh mygosh, this is another, you know, catastrophe headed our way. I'm justasking the question. I know covid is not flu. I get that. In the winter, though, respiratory and infections of all types seemed toincrease. They always because we're indoors. That's correct. So wouldn't it standto reason if we don't have the best are exchange in the best of timesand people can become can pick up a virus, pick up a cold whatever, indoors or more likely to pick it up indoors, wouldn't it make sensethat we should pay more attention in covid to our indoor air quality everywhere?Our schools, are offices, every building that we're in? Shouldn't we payattention to that? And what is the effect of indoor air quality on theability of viruses to to live for five right and be transmitted? I don'tknow the answers to that. At least one scientist that I know is lookingat that right I think that's a legitimate question to ask. So why not, given what we don't know about indoor air quality. Why not wear amask? Yeah, no, I think I think that's a number one.I've talked to a lot of different people in regards to this. That's oneof the best points I've heard recently is the fact I don't think anyone's thisis actually you're the first person that I've talked to with that. It's mentionedthis. That the fact that for the most part, most schools on andthere's there's I know there's some one off schools that did things. Certainly theythere may have been a school that had all their students there, I'm notsure, but for the most part, most schools were not filled on adaily basis with students during the school year because of Covid. So when peoplesay, well, schools are a good way to look at that fact getthere wasn't a high transmission rate in schools, so schools are the safest place.But you don't take it you don't take into account that the actual capacityof schools were severely cut because of this. Some people didn't even go back,even when they it's like, for the school that my kids go to, when they finally open it up for you, okay, you can gonow, it was like there the last month or so it be. Thekids were allowed to be there fighters a week, but the school still gaveoptions to people to do virtual classes. So there were still probably about thirtypercent of the students still doing virtual classes even at that time. Who didlook at the city right city had they weren't. Then, granted, theyopened up, but they it was it was low right, right families thatopted to go back. Yep, was. I don't think it was a veryhigh amount. I think I'm remembering correctly. At one point they weregoing to limit it to certain grades because there weren't enough families in a certaingrade level that wanted to go back. But yet they then they decided theywere going to offer it to that grade, to those grades, if I'm ifI'm recalling correctly, Yep, you're here. That's a then another validpoints. So I never and I don't don't know why that never even crossedthe mine until you mentioned it today. But that's a that's a great pointthat we're looking at numbers from these buildings that were not any way, shipor form similar to how they were when they were filled with students who wereall going to the school at the same time. Now let me ask youa question. So I know for okay. So, for example, of nursinghomes, and I know some of the schools were talking about this too, trying to avoid the quote unquote, mandating of vaccinations. So the optionthat they're doing is either get vaccinated or...

...submit to is it weekly testing orsomething like they're dealing so something something like that. I can't remember the frequency, but it but but frequent testing to make sure that that no one's infected. So let me ask you this question, Patty. So, as we know, of right now, children under twelve still cannot be vaccinated. Correct, as of as of as a moment, as of this moment, right now. Could it for a one that I could? I could, theycould change right before and we didn't get the memo before we came on theair. So to the best of our knowledge at this point. Right,very well, very well said, I but I appreciate that. And aswe know, even if you're vaccinated, you can still transmit covid right,even even if your vaccinately, even if you don't have the effect because ofvaccine softens the blow of Covid if you will, you can still carry itand pass it along to somebody, right, from my understanding. Right. So, if you have a building full of people who are vaccinated, alsotied in with children who are not vaccinated, should everyone be tested all the time? Why not? That's other than people will go, you know,ballistic over that. So so that it ties into something else that we're goingto talk about, which is using incentives to get people to get vaccinated.Right, all right, we've talked about this before and I've had a conversationswith other people is covid is. COVID is shown us a lot and memy opinion, just me. I think that it has shown the fracture linesin our society and the fact that in a social media world, in anInternet world, will you can get inform nation tailored to you and you don'thave to expose yourself to information from other sources that you may disagree with.I think people are just stuck in the the I me mine way of thinkingand if I don't like it, it's wrong. Yep, and not beingaware that I may not like it, but I don't live on an islandright, right, and so I still have to be aware of my neighborand not do anything that's going to hurt my neighbor, right, and byme not getting vaccines, semple, because I don't trust it or I don'twant to, as opposed to I don't want to get into people who's deeplyheld. You, we just beliefs. It's like that. That's that's betweenyou know them in their God. That's but a lot of things I hear. It's not a deeply held we. We just belief right, right,it's I don't trust it, I don't want it, I'm going to wait. Then every so often you start to read stories about people who waited andand they wish the time ran out. Yep, yeah, very true.Yeah, it's I think you're you come from an old school way of journalismthinking, which I think is still, my opinion, is one of thebetter ways of thinking. Is You have to whether you agree or disagree,you need to listen to both sides, right, you gotta. You gotit. So, if you're a person to watch a CNN or if yourperson will just facts, you got to watch both, because just because Idon't like it doesn't mean it's not true. Just because I I'm not a I'mnot for it, doesn't mean that it's not a fact. So youhave to you have to do your own research. You got do a littlework, put a little work and find out what's true and what's not trueand then make you a Sich anice. Why we we always say about itfrom information understanding, right. You don't want to just hear a story orsomeone's opinion all the time, even though we do sometimes give our opinis onthis show, which is I get it, but you still do want to seekout the facts so you can make an informed decision on your own.You don't want to just say, Hey, my buddy fred says that there's microchips in the vaccine where they're trying to track you. You know,check that out, seep that's see if that's a factor. So you knowwhat, and I got to tell you. Okay, say somebody were to saythat. All right, say somebody were to say that to me,MMM, as a microchip in the thing and they're going to track my movements. All right, I would say to them, is the GPS on inyour phone right now? Exactly, because they're trying. What's Your facebook privacysetting set to? Yep, we've given up willingly, for our convenience,more privacy. That I think the government could ever come take yep from us, for we have freely given that up in exchange for cheap goods and services, agreed to get a discount someplace. Every time you you you turn yourlittle map thing on your phone to find a location. You know that's beamingup to something in the sky called the satellite, where they can focus,they can pinpoint where your phone is so they can tell you how to getto where you're going. All right,...

...so they're already true. You arealready being you've done that. Will Hey, every time I go for a walkand turn the APP on Yep right to want to know how fast I'mwalking, I am giving up my privacy. So so if someone were to saythat to me about the vaccine, I would come back with that.Do what's what of the settings on your phone? Yeah, do you useto use GPS? So, so you're still being you still being tracked inthat sense. But you know, I think the previous the previous national administrationhas done some damage to facts. I would and and because I don't likethe Sun rising in the east doesn't mean it doesn't there you go, comesinto my bedroom window and wakes me up early in the summer there it isso well, I can I can move. I can't change where the sun's goingto rise. That's a fact. I have to move my bedroom.Yep, for that if I don't want that at five o'clock in the morningwaking me up. We don't. We don't have to like facts, butwe have to acknowledge their facts. Now, that being said, science is builton one fact reinforcing another or one finding reinforcing another. Another thing thatI think covid has has shown the cracks in is the scientific education in thiscountry. Yeah, I think if more more students, more schools, ifthere was a better concentration on science, we may not have had as muchof this as we end we've got, you know, people who are inthese stem courses, they're all into science. That that's great, but the restof us, somebody like me, who can go through to college careersand pretty much avoid science, that's not that's not good. Guilty. Yeah, right, that's you know. And then I spent what ten years isa health reporter? Hey, way to science and math all, what didI do for ten years of my career? Right, not good that we're thatwe're avoiding these topics that require us to think and require us to understand. What is the scientific method of experimentation? Getting information, testing that information again, retesting it, testing it a third time, making sure it holdsup. Yeah, the funny thing too, is, I think, what onething that people don't understand. All signs. Then we'll take a breakin a minute. We'll get into a next hour. But science is isalways evolving. Science is something that you, that you all is a continuation.You're always learning new things, are always collecting new data. Things thatwere at at one point sometimes our no longer today. So that's what's that'swhat makes that's why people love science. Science is fun because it's you're alwayscollecting data to find out more about something. You're always doing more tests, morestudies, more everything to figure things out. So people a lot oftimes think science is absolute, like science said this. Let me just thisis always that way. Well, it was at that one point, butsomething may have changed something and now the science maybe point something else. Youhave to understand that. So that can also work against vaccines, right,and people are using that the latest in science. The latest word is notthe last word, right, as you said, sciences e bongs to peoplewill say, well, we don't know enough yet, and now' The waypretty off to por then. So then the scientists need to come up withwith a rebuttal to that. So as well. You know, people talkto you months ago. Well, the vaccine was hurried. Well, people, scientists have been working on this method of delivering this vaccine for years,long on time, and it just is was the opportunity to use it.We can go into how did the messaging at the beginning of this effect?I mean this does all kinds of things were going in. But we andthe point is, you still eat. Yes, science is evolving, sciencecan change, but the way science works is to test a hypothesis, totest the theory, not to say I have a fear free in this theoryis correct. Yep, it tests the theory. Yes, so if iffolks who were against vaccines or don't want vaccines or for whatever reason, thatit's not a religious, you know, a deep faith reason, just somethingthat they've heard on the Internet, right, if they subject the theory they've heardto the scientific method and then, at the end of that pursuit ofthe scientificific method, decide, okay, I'm still going to think the wayI thought. Okay, at least you have put it to through some rigor. Yep, it wasn't just because somebody told you something. Yeah, right, exactly right, very, very, very well said. I like that. We're going to end on that because that's perfect. I like it.I like the way that said. All right, well, we come back, we will talk about I know, very covid heavy show and we apologize, but code it's we have to because things are going to be starting verysoon, like school. So that's why...

...we're talking about this. Also,I was out doing some work for for another company and there are a coupleevents happening that people there are gatherings or people are participating having fun, whichis great, but that could be changing and how you are able to dothat. The places that you go and went will maybe required of you toparticipate in those activities. We'll talk about that when we come back. Thisis inside the margins. All right. Welcome back, welcome back. Thanksfor hanging out with Patty and I so, Patty, I was just when wewere going to the break, I was telling you I was I wasout doing some works and recording stuff on Friday night and Friday evening, thatreally late night, but still there's there were people gathering at events and goingto places and it was, you know, a pretty warm night. So alot of people are out and hanging out. You know, we're gettingwe're heading towards the end of summer, so people are trying to get theirlast feel of the summer. Events happening and, as we were talking aboutearlier, Patty, you know, the transmission rate and the infection rate andthe hospitalizations due to covid have been steadily increasing in our region and because ofthat, a lot of Rochter bars and eateries and nightclubs and other events arenow requiring patrons to show proof of vaccination to even get in to some ofthese establishments. Some and some establishments are like, if you're outside, youare free to not be without your mask, but if you're going to be insideof than you everyone require, regardless of your vaccination status, will berequired to wear a mask going forward. So I know this is rubbed somepeople the wrong way, but we're going to talk about this and we're goingto talk about why this is happening. So I'm sure you're aware, Patty, because your you are always in the thick of these news and press conferences. The numbers are rising. And what do you think of these changes?At the a lot of these these estelogists are doing so. If I'm ifI dreamt this or whatever, but did we talk in the spring about theloosening of restrictions being premature? We did. Ess, we did. We actuallydid. Is We talked about that a couple times. Did were afew times? Actually, you're right. Yeah, and and you know,I'm not wagging any fingers because there have been places that I've been without amask. I wanted to grocery store a couple times out of message. Tryto put it back on. Yep, we well On. I here allright, but no, I think we jumped the gun on saying we wehad the advantage on Covid I mean this is nature, say science, thisis Darwinian. These, you know, viruses are going to do whatever theycan to survive, Bible to mutate and and and keep going. Right.They're living organism. They anthropomorphizing, putting emotions on it, saying you haveto live, I have to live. But the virus wants to live andit's going to do what it can to stay ahead of whatever we're doing totry to try to knock it out. So I would hope that we wouldlearn that we you can't declare victory and go home. Yeah, right,because we I think that's in some people's minds. That's what we did.And No, the Dr Mendoza, the heads of the two hospital systems willsay, you know, we're done with Covid, but covid is not donewith us. We can't say, you know, we're done, wash yourhands, flag in the ground. We're gonna we're going to go home.No, it's I just think that we have to. It's not, youknow, I'll be crouchet in the world. It's not over till it's over andall the stuff. But I don't I don't want to wear a mask, but I don't see a problem with doing it. Yeah, Yep,I'm with you. The mask is a small price to pay and an ownerfor me to still do some of the activities that I partaken. I'm withyou a hundred percent. I think you're right. I think the approach perhapsthat we set a lot of us to I don't think everyone didn't take thisapproach. To your and you mentioned it too. Are there are a lotof doctors and scientists who were saying, Hey, we you should we shouldn'tbe a we're gon, we're free and clear, everything is good. Let'sjust go ahead and move about like we used to. But they're but therewere some people, even in politics of course, that are saying, Hey, we beat covid no, take your mask and just have a mass burningparty and let's go out there and do all the stuff that we used todo. And you know those little early and here's the thing, Patty.It's still warm right, it's still a lot of people are still doing alot of outdoor stuff now and the numbers are arising rapidly now and the summer, and we mentioned earlier, when the weather gets cold, older and everyone'sforced to be more indoors, things tend...

...to get worse and that and that, and then that that season. And we're not in that season yet andwe're still seeing at the numbers getting bad. So I'm I'm not trying to bedooming gloom. I hate because I hate being that guy, though youknow, watch out for but I'm just I'm just setting the facts that weeven previously with Covid we saw the our worst times when everyone was crapped indoors. It seemed to lighten up a little bit when people are worn outdoors.That's why, that's why people say you can be outside without masks, butwhen you're inside you should be. You cheve your mask constants for that reason. And we tend to be, we've tend to be indoors more when there'ssnow on the ground. Correct. Well, so at the news conference last week, which was what was the date? Last Thursday? I forget these things. I think it was what the nineteen? So August, nineteen oftwo thousand and twenty. On that day the county reported twenty nine new cases. Yep, so August nineteen of twenty, twenty one, a hundred and ninetyseven new cases. Wow. Right. So that was before the variant.At that time, who was vaccinated? Mostly older people, but you hadn'treally filtered down into the S for s yet, right, we werestill in some you know, tears and and things like that. So thetotal hospitalized just a few days ago was a hundred and ten and the totalhospitalized a year ago, as I'm sliding through to get was forty four.Wow. So, with that expression, the numbers of the numbers. Thenthere were more people that. I think about the same number of people inthe ICEE you from one year to the no, actually more. There wereAugust sixteen of this year. They were thirty two people in the ice youin the I see you and they may have been out of enouated. Thatnumbers not go right. Right. Right. So that's three or four. That'sabout three times the number that were. That was last summer at this time. So the variant has really done some damage, because we have vaccinations. But but the the heads of the health system said that the people inthe icee you in each of their I see us at you are medicine inat Rochester regional all of the people in their icee you, maybe one ortwo, had been vaccinated. Most of the people hospitalized had not been vaccinated. So, yes, you have a variant that is causing infections. Right, we of these new cases. They're not all one unvaccinated people, right, the people in the hospital of the people without vaccines, right, butthe people in the hospital with in serious conspiration, there you go, right, are the ones without vaccine. So what is that telling you? Yep, yeah, I think one of the arguments that we hear about the vaccine. I'm sure you've heard it from many people too. Is Well, ifyou can still catch Covid, why would you get vaccine? It doesn't makesense. Well, that the numbers that you just run off. That's thereason why, right there. If you're vaccinated, even if you get covid, you're less likely to have serious reactions to the virus then if you're notvaccinated. So if, let's say you patty, you get you for somesomehow get covid because of your vaccination status. That is you might not even havesymptoms or if you do get symptoms, they may be very mild and comparedin comparison to someone who was undaccine, especially if you're unvaccine and you haveone of those colporabilities that they talk about now. If you're you havesevere asthma and you're not vaccinated and you get Covid, you can have somevery severe respiratory problems because of this, versus if you're vaccinated. You knowyou you may get a little sick, but because you're because of your vaccinationstatus, even if you have asthma, you might not have such a hardtime with it. These are serious things that can happen to you if you'rea person who is overweight or you have heart problems or you have had issueswith breathing at all, if you're not vaccinated, having covid is not justI don't feel good and I can't taste something. It could be very severefor you if you're not vaccing you have these kind of underlying issues. Allright, so I maybe punching above my weight here with this analogy, butlet me let me try it. So, as you were talking about that,I was thinking that every few years a traveler from a country you're usuallyEurope, usually southern Europe, where they...

...don't require a measles vaccine, comesthrough Rochester and later is determined to have measles right they can as I thinkthe last one was maybe three or four years ago, and so the callgoes out if you were on this plane, if you were on this bus,if you were in this hotel, if you ate in this restaurant,contact the health department because this is where we believe our traveler was during duringthis time, measles is highly contagious. Yes, yes, I have.I don't recall. In the time that I was covering health full time,and I think I wrote about two or three of these travel or situations comingthrough Rochester. I don't ever recall the health department then coming out and sayingwe have twenty people in Rochester with measles. No, we have anybody in Rochesterwith measles. Right, even though this person was was on a planeor was on a bus or eight in a restaurant, was in a hotel, I don't recall the health deployment reporting measles transmission in Rochester from this travelfrom like a patient zero kind of thing. Right. So as you were talkingabout that, I was thinking of that situation. I'm thinking, okay, so the vaccine protected people. Right, if, where am I going withthis? Like I said, I'm punching over my weight. It's itmay not be a good analogy, but it's what I thought of when youwere talking about that, that when we get unvaccinated people bringing in a potentialillness, the vaccine is protecting people who are coming in contact right with thatindividual. Right, Yep, that's actually that's actually not a bad analogy,as it's actually pretty good and that that's accurate. If someone is unvaccinated andbringing in the virus and you're vaccinated. Here's and here's the thing. Okay, let me switch say this way. So I've watched the news and there'sa couple of people as saying important positions, like we're real politicians or whatever,who were vaccinated and came then tested positive for colvid. They had nosymptoms. They they they didn't know that they even had it. They theyisolated quarantine themselves during their entire isolation in quarantine, had no symptoms. Now, I'm not a scientist and patted you eloquently explained that earlier. How weavoid science in our illustrious cres. But the fact that some of them,that's not just one person I was is a couple people. That explain this. The fact that these people contracted covid didn't know the head Covid, isolateit themselves, had no symptoms before they were out of quarantine. Okay,so yes, while they're vaccinated, they got covid but they had zero reaction. To me, that right there is enough for me to get vaccinated.Look at you know what. I was in a study, and don't getme started on how people who have been in study protocols have been really,I think, hung out to dry. Yeah, in all of this.Yep, don't get that's a whole nother. It's a whole on the topic.I'm not terribly happy with. Let's talk about that some other time.Yeah, with something with some of them, and I'm glad I got the vaccineI got. The vaccine is being used in Europe. So I feelvery kind. I mean, I'm following more what's happening in Europe that Iam here because I that's the vaccine. I spent in Canada and Europe.But yeah, I mean I again, if it is your it is yourreligious belief to not use medicine, fine, I mean I but then to meyou need to care for your for your brother and sister, your societyand all the ways, by wearing a mask, by having responsible social interactions. And if you, if, if your hesitancy against the vaccine is foundedin history, well founded in what somebody has told you or founded in whatyou said on the Internet, there are lots of organizations in Rochester and MonroeCounty that are trying to help you overcome that reluctance, sphere hesitancy, bydoing lots of different kind of targeted interventions. But this is going to come apoint. There's about two hundred fifty thou people in Monroe County. Ithink that that haven't had yes, I haven't had one shot. I've oneright, right. So I guess my question is, can we realistically comeup with two hundred fiftyzero interventions? Can we go to each person and say, Matt, why aren't you getting the...

...vaccine? It? Because then itbecomes then we're in a contest against time, because then there'll be another variant thatwill that will come out, and then we'll we have will have delta. And what's whatever? Is that? The alphabet? After after Delta?Yeah, you know, watch cry Thou becames of India. So it's butwhatever. But we'll have another variant to do with. So to some extentwe are in a content. I think we're in a contest against time tohave people vaccinated so that that the virus. It's like a science it's like abad science fiction movie. So this virus doesn't mutate again. It's likethe Blob, but I'm thinking of these s sci fi blob comes the blobdown the street, you know, gobbling up people. So what's our responsibilityto each other, to our fate? To our families, are immediate families, as well as our you know, I'm going to be all mushy here. Are, you know, universal family, our Rochester family, to stop thisas much as we possibly can, because I we can't go to twohundred fiftyzero people and say, why aren't you taking the vaccine and know,here's what we're going to do so you can take the vaccine. It justI just don't think it works that way. No, I'm with you. Youknow what, we're going to take all our break I think you'd thisis perfect because we're going to segue right into this now. Speaking of tryingto hit target of populations, they've been doing a lot of weird things toincentivize vaccinations. A lot of you get to do things or wind stuff orhang out with people and in order to convince you to get vaccinated, andI just want to kind of talked about it, because you're like about howhow it is to try to go door to door to two hundred and FiftyTho people to get them to take it. Are these things? Do we thinkthese things are working? We're going to talk about that. Where wecome back. This is inside the margins, all right, welcome back to insidethe margins. It's Matt Patty here. So, Patty, we were justtalking before he went to the break about trying to reach out to people, the unvaccinated population, and doing things to incentivise them to get the vaccine. And there's some things happening locally here where they're trying to convince the youngerpopulation to get vaccine. At they're they're giving you opportunities to meet and Greeksome professional athletes, get a signature, get your picture taken with them.But if you or take a shot for a shot, if you will,I think one best class. There's one of them. What do you thinkof these things, patty? I do you think these are? This isa good way to take convince are the youth of the world to get theirvaccination? If I don't like basketball, why would I go right right?So this goes back to this goes back to before. So I don't likebasketball, I like Dramam I like, you know, arts and theater.So you're going to have a theater day for me. That I mean Ican meet my favorite actor, right. You know something like that. Youknow it. What? How, how far do you go on these andpart of me thinks it insults the intelligence of the people that is trying towere the same that we're trying to persuade or educate. We say we gotwe need education. You know, I think, I think one of thecomments on the county call to Thursday may have been response to the question Iasked about this. Still huge disparities in certain neighbor takes alow and, byand by the way, I want to I want to share this with withfolks. Let me, let me find this. So according to the MonroeCounty covid nineteen dashboard, which has some color coded cases and things like that, zip codes and webster appear to have the same number of cases in Julyas one, six hundred and nine. HMM. So when I looked atthat map, I said Webster, really, I thought, you know, youthink of something more? We talked about having problems getting people vaccinated orcases in the city. Yes, right. So here we have the one forfive hundred and eight zero. Zip Code is the same color code isthe one and sixty two nine and ZIP codes in Greece. There are somezip codes in Greece that or a little bit darker than the one and sixttwo ones of code. All right. So so what it? What isthis saying? is saying that there are, that there are, there could bepockets of vaccine resistance throughout the county. Adam bellow did say in the westernpart of the county there is some vaccine resistance, although their case numbersare lower in July. But this is...

July, right where in the middleof August, and we've seen a huge spike at arms accurate because data islagging. It will be interesting to see when they update this, what theAugust numbers look like on this. This is this is interesting to see.I made do a screen grab to see what the difference is between between Julyand August on it. So I digressed and lost my train of thought.Where was I about different approaches for different people, for for vaccination. SoI'll put my health educator hat on. Change really comes from within. Soto a certain extent incentives will work for some people, but a lot oftimes incentives have been looked at. It's hard that you know it. Thisis still early. Of On incentives for vaccine, this is still pretty new. But you talk about incentives for quitting smoking, for losing weight, forthe for the hate major, major changes in behavior that will set you upon a whole different trajectory of health right for the rest of your life.And incentives may work to some extent. They may get people started, butthen if there's something that is not clicking with them internally and something is notresonating with them of why this is an important thing for them to do,then incentive won't hold and then they may go back to the behavior. Theymay not gain as much weight, it may not smoke because many cigarettes,but they're they're not going to make that permanent change. So the issue becomes, you know, how do you educate in the way or how do youappeal to people in a way that is meaningful to them, that makes lastingchange? So I got an incentive. I went and got whatever beers brewfor whatever that was. But they did the bruise, they did the beersin the coffee or something like that. Shot something there's I can remember right. So I went for that, okay, and I got my cold shot.I but I never got a flu shot before. Well, what areyou going to do for me? You know, son of lies, myflu shot. Is there a Nix? Is there an expectation now, isthis like like little kids soccer, where everybody gets a ribbon, everybody's awinner, everybody gets a prize? That's a bad analogy. It just itjust strikes me that you can't keep giving things to people and then expect themto always do what is right on their own if you have conditioned them toget something very rewarded for doing what they could. I've done anyways. Iguess. Yeah, again, I don't have kids. How did you getyour kids to do their chores? Well, they don't. If they don't dotheir chores, they don't get to have their treat or their snack.That's usually how I do it. You know, okay, but that sothen there's still that sort of Pavlovian response. Right, but it's some point doyour kids. You have older kids to write. So at some pointdo the older kids just they now do the chores because they know that's partof living in a guesshole. It there comes. That's a very good point. there. When they're little, when they're very young, you kind ofhave to put the carrot in front of them and you know, once theyget older it's just part of routine. All right, when you before youleave the house, make sure your beds, you know, your rooms clean,your beds made, and then you can go about your day. Eventually, eventually, that's just becomes what they do. You know, I haveto tell them to do it anymore. They wake up, they clean theroom, theyday, they do it there supposed to do. Then they gothroughout the day. Little kids are, you know, four and five yearold. Sometimes you got it a you know there's a there's a pudding cupwaiting for you, but you don't get it until you're okay, Daddy.But that's not how we want to treat grownups. Right. That's that's thatright. So, yeah, it's some point. We should we should bedoing. We should we should be doing thing, the thing for the valueof the thing, because I like to see my bed mate. Yep,there's something about the end of the day I get to pull the covers back. There you go. I'm into this and and and it's all like Ithis neat little package. I put myself the right you know, and andso. So I think it's the same. Like if we constantly are offering apremium, or some people call them bride so, people call them incentives, whatever word, then why would i? Why wouldn't I wait for the nexttime to get the incentive? What's going to be the incentive to getmy food shot? I don't know. Are we training people to always wantsomething? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we don't want to dothat. So, okay, now I want I got a little pushback forthis before, so I want to ask your opinion. So I have athought process. So, like, first, for schools, right, for formost schools, you have to have a series of shots before they evenallow you to go in the schools. Right. I'm not making that up. That's that's that. That for grade schools and for colleges for the mostpart, you have to have a series of shots in order to even bea part of that education system. Right. So if you don't have them,then you can't go to the building. Right. So that's kind of andI know a lot of people see.

Well, that's kind of you're goingto make this going to be devices, your device, if you're going todivide people, who you know? You're going to you're going to condemnthe anti vaxxers or whatever, and that's not what I'm trying to do.I don't want to say have the government mandate that everyone has to be vaccinatedto go somewhere. But what I'm saying is I think businesses should take itupon themselves saying, Hey, listen, we want to operate, we stillwant to function, we still want to earn generate income for our business.So what we're going to do is, instead of, you know, havinga big gold issue and closing down and make it things that you know whereyou have to do strictly take out or whatever, you can come in here. But as a lappit lists already doing. You have to you have to bevaccinated to be in here, or you you know you must. Ifnot, you you can't come in here now because it's a private owned place. It's not mandated by the government. Is just that this business itself issaying, I want to protect my employees and my patrons. So I amgoing to personally say, if you want to hang out in this restaurant andthis bar or whatever whatever it is, you must be vaccinated. Show mea little thing, you can come in. You're good to go. If you'rethen if you don't want to be vaccinated, I'm not saying you haveto, you just can't come in here. That's that's my thought process. Whatdo you think of that? Well, and I think that would be peerpressure of things, that I want to go do these things, soI'm going to be I'm going to go get vaccinating because all my friends cando this, so I want to do it. Then you're then you're applyingpeer pressure to it, which may be bad, but may know, Ineed to go. Peer Pressure has led people to do to do good things. You know, in this sense, no, but in this sense Ithink that's that's another way of you can call it an incentive if you wantthem, if you want to go out with your friends. Okay, anotherbad example. Right, when I was in college, we would go outto bars and Saturday night a lot of my friends were in some sort ofrecreation major. They had to take sign language. Okay, so they goto the bar and they can all talk because they're using sign language, right, and I can't. I can't. I you're right. So what doI do? Right, what do I do next semester? I sign upfor sign language so I can talk to my friends in the bar. I'vesince forgotten, you know right, but your basic stuff and it was kindof a fun class to do and and you know, you meet signed togo to deaf clubs, and so you meeting people and so you so youlearn, you expand yourself a little bit, but that was pure pressure. Theycould all talk and I couldn't know what was going on. Right,so I needed to learn the language. So in a sense, so,yeah, so to learn, learn the language of getting vaccinated to be ableto do that. Look at Covid. One of the reasons, I think, we opened up so quickly was economics. That's a death. That's true.Look at if you look. Okay, so if somebody wants to do thishomework, the website of the state control or go to the controllers website, and I think you can look up on that sales tax revenue from previousmonths. So last so of two thousand and twenty April, May, June, July sales tax revenue to the point where I think below was a littleworried about how we're going to get some revenue and pay for something. Right, right, we open back up sales tax REV sales tax revenue is backup. So look at this from an economic standpoint that if this variant orother variants do what they have the potential to do and business is shut downagain, do you lose your job? Dore's, your family lose its business? Is Tax revenue cut so much that we, as a community can't affordthings? Yep, right, that we need to do right, up keepit as as a community. We're back in that same economic place where wewere in April and May. It was terrible, June of two thousand andtwenty exactly. Yeah, yeah, Yep, yeah, so I guess. Iguess what I guess. What I'm saying is I don't like the payfor play, if you will, with the vaccinations where, Hey, yougot a vaccine, will give you a winning lottery ticket. You get avaccine, he's five hundred bucks for you. I don't like that. I thinkthat you should if you enjoy your normal way of living, if youlike the abilities to go where you need to go to do what you needto do, then if you want to be a person who is part ofyour community, in your society, you should vaccinated. That's how I lookat it. So it's not it's not putting a carrot your face, ifyou will, but it's giving you the freedoms to do what you were doingbefore. By by getting this back to so you don't have to get vaccinate, but then you'll be that person that's stuck in your house, not notable to go to a lot of things that you want to go to,only certain places where they don't that where they're not pushing that initiative. ButI think it is there a possibility that...

...there's going to be a little backlashof people that they are. So you're denying the people who don't want toget back to the right to, you know, pursue happiness or whatever.I'm sure, I'm sure someone's gonna with twigs it, with twist that initiativeto that, but I think, I think personally, if you did that, that would especially with the younger folks who do like to mingle with otherpeople. I think that that would work better than getting your picture taking withthe basketball player. Yeah, I mean think right, I think about butbut that requires Matt. I think what you're saying is that requires somebody tosit in a reflective moment, yeah, and think about where they are now, where they want to be. there. I want to get to existential honesthere on a Monday afternoon. But you know what, what? Whatis their role in the universe, right, right, whether that universe is justthey live by themselves, they live with their family, they live withyou know, you know, grandparents on it's, uncle's is, little kidsaround. You know, where are you in the scheme of things and whatdo you want? And have that reflective moment and be honest with yourself.Yeah, yeah, why why do I not really seriously, why do Inot want this vaccine? Why have I been hesitant about it? And ifI have a specific question about it, there are, you know, thefinger lakes vaccine hub, common ground health, there are places that have people waitingfor you to ask them though, that that question that will that willsay, okay, now, I've got that question answered. Okay, nowwhere can I where can I go get the vaccine? Five minutes ago,I can't believe it was that you answer that question. It's that basic.I mean so some of it is. I think the individual has to doa little work themselves. That's true. Not You mean they're talking about.You know, if you have to go do it a door on this thing. It's going to be a while before they come to you and if you'renot home you may miss that opportunity. I would. I would urge peopleto have that reflective moment, really sit down with yourself and say why?And then there are there are many places in this community that will answer thosequestions for you. As they said, finger lakes vaccine hub, if yougoogle them, common ground health, they've got lots of stuff on their websiteabout vaccine and people who will talk to you, answer your questions, listento you and and get you the information you need so you can make thatdecision. But some of this, I do think, has to be onthe individual. We can't come to every door in the county. I don'tworry. And also, you know what else is? It will kind advisedyou to get a vaccine. If you get VEX, if you get vaccinatedand things start getting better, patty and I will talk about something else.BECAIDES COVID for the entire show. So there you done. Sentence didn't work. I don't know what's up. What's something else they don't want to hear? Don't talk touch that guy. Well, we let's say we've got to thatpoint where we got to wrap it up. Hey, patty, always, always great conversation with they don't forget a lot of the stuff that wetalked about here on inside the margins is also covered in the minority reporter.They do a lot of cover John. What's happening with Covid, what's happeningin your local community, projects, things, things are a lot of things thatare happening in your community are covered in the minority reporter. So whatyou want to do is go ahead and go to minority reporter dotnet. Again, minority reporter DOTNET. You can get all the the those topics, thosestories there also. We say it every show. We want to hear fromyou the stories that you are important to. You are what matters to us.So if you want to get your story toll or, if you justhave comments, your questions that you want to make, that's fine too.You can go ahead and set submit an emails you editor at minority reporter dotmet. Again, that's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. If you are justtuning in right now, I tell you this every week too. We're onat three day. I know right, we're on at three o'clock. Comeon, what are you doing late than never? Yes, hear the pitchabout how you can get the repair. The reply's right. So now,now that you know that we talked about a lot of great topics. You'regoing to want to go back. Go to inside the marginy Orcom you can. You can catch the full version of this episode or any of our pastepisodes that may catch your eye. You can also find us on I heartmodify. Where were you get your podcast? We're there, Patty. I thinkI cover everything. Let's do this again next Monday. What do yousay? I'll have my people fuck to your people and then we'll go tosalvators floor. Sounds like a player, and I'll be by here for forPatty Singer, this is bad. Will soon. It's been inside the virgins. We will see you next week. Do you have a topic that youwould like to discuss on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments...

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