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Episode · 1 year ago

Black Wall Street

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Patti and I talk about the coninued violence in Rochester and NPR's Eric Deggins tells us about films and documentaries you can watch to learn about the Attack on Black Wall Street 100 years ago.

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Well, hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson, and we're back from our time off from Memorial Day. Hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable Memorial Day weekend and I remember also why we do. We did celebrate Memorial Day. Of course, not saying you should not have gone out, grilled and did all that stuff, but still just remember how and why we celebrate that day. So but good to be back. A lot talk about. Weekend was nice and warm, but there's a lot going on, obviously in the city. There's some more information on what's going on with those dirt bikes. I don't know if you have heard, but there's a mirror race going on, and petty actually either. Minority reporter did an interesting story about a person who went to school with Dr Martin Luther King Junior and that's pretty awesome and we're going to talk about some of those things. Before we getting any further, though, of course, I got to bring her in. It is my friend, my partner, and she's also back from some time off. It's the minor reporters, patty singer. Hello and good afternoon to you, Patty. Happy Monday, happy Monday, welcome back. Thank you. You too get to see your smiling face. All Right, I'm not going to tell people that we're distanced right now. We're hey, we're ever. You know what? I will say this? Every week we are closer to being in studio together. As it's it's so eventually it will happen and I know restrictions are being loosened, so I'm looking forward to that time when that does happen. Patty, Oh wow, I got to remember where that is. Yah, it's been a while. I know. Wow, we're all right, Patty. What's going on with the minority reporter? Well, we had fun that. We take a week off, but the news new never does right. So you know a couple things. You know, small stories, but important stories. The city is looking at how it should spend the latest covid relief money and it wants people's opinions on that. So if you go to the city website, you can the city of Rochester, dot Gol a, are he a, and that stands for the American Rescue Plan Act, and you can fill out a survey is to what you think some of the priorities are for covid money. I mean that's it's a lot of money coming in. It's got to be spent in a relatively short period of time and so make your make your opinions heard. Right. You know what's interesting in this how much this effects the May all will race? I don't know. So what happens if the decisions are made and the administration changes? Would the same priorities play out? Death we have we've no, we've no idea about that, but I would think that that if administration does change, you as a citizen. Having said we'll wait a minute. What with the results of that survey? We went into that without politics involved. Whoever is the mayor should be listening to the will of the people on how money should be spent. Absolutely, absolutely no. I know what it talks the survey questions talk a lot about, you know, should do what, what types of kind of assistant should there be for families that struggle, for businesses that struggle? There's all kinds of things. So it's interesting. I would urge people city of Rochester to got dot Gov aarpa. Take a look at it, answer the questions you want to answer. But just again, it's this is your money, right, coming from...

...the feds, but you still, you still auntied up into that pot as this it's were poker game. It's still your money. Rus should have you should take advantage of having a say. Yeah, you should want to know what's happening with it. Have a save. What's where it's going. I totally read the one. That absolutely well. It's the same way with voting. Right, if you don't have a say and you don't like where it's spent, you don't have you don't have any red. Course you can always say, Hey, I wanted something else. You ignored me. You have a point, but if you still sit on the sidelines for this, you really don't get right. Me, to me, you don't. You don't have a right to then start complaining about what's going on. Right right. Yeah, you have to. You have to try to be a person who wants to motivate and and make changes that he that benefit you by voting and making your you know, opinions heard. If you don't do that and things just happen anyways, you're right, you don't really have a lot the same book about what happened because you hat you didn't partaken and influence your opinion in that. So I totally agree with you on that, absolutely, Pattio, and what we've seen over the last year, Matt is democracy is not a spectator. Yes, what we said. Yeah, this is not a spectator. Sport, Yep, Yep, you got you got to partake and you and you have to have your voice heard. Bad. There's a lot going on in the city and I don't like to tar it off on the other negative but we I want to talk about this RAF the Bat. Violence still an issue in the city. It's almost every day when you turn them the news in the morning, you hear about some sort of shooting or multip people that people involved in a shooting. There's an one that just happened recently and involving the police firing back on a person who apparently had a long track record of being involved with some very bad things, murder, another other things that were on his record. He was a person interest and they were trying. They were they had been tracking him. I guess I'm trying to get him. And it turns out that, according to what I heard, this individual fired at the police officers and they returned fire. He was struck and he was taken to the hospital where he later did not make it. What's the lay and now, again, this is we the information that we have in this is as over the weekend. So I'm sure there will be more information updated. But what's the layers we're hearing on this? Well, so what I want to do is I want to read the this is the news release that the Rochester Police Department sent out on Saturday. Is is overnight Friday, so it could have been Saturday. That seef Saturday morning. So it's a June five. So this is I'm reading from what the RPD sends out their media releases this evening, which would have been June five. Yep, Rochester Police Department was conducting a high risk detail in the county on an individual that was wanted for assault, first attempted murder and several gun crimes. So this was in the nine hundred block of Avenue G. Okay, due to the fact that this was a violent offender, our SWAT team became involved in the investigation. What officers attempted to take the individual into custody. He ran through the backyards, turned and fired at the officers. Officers then returned fire, striking the individual. Individual was transported to strong hospital where he was later pronounced deceased. One of the officers stay in minor injuries during the incident. So this next part will engender some conversation. We do not have body worn camera footage for this incident. For Policy Are Swat officers and other specialized units do not carry body on cameras. So that is obviously going to be fought or further for the conversation. Sure. As per usual, that was my editorializing, quoting again. Officers are currently placed on administrative duty into an internal investigation has completed. That is standard protocol right at this time. We will not release identity the individual pending family notifications. Now what is not in here?...

Yes, it is as I school down. Okay, so the New York Attorney General's Office of Special Investigations has oversight of this investigation. So that was sent to the media all inquiries have to go to the AG that's for a change as of April. First anything involving police officers harming killing civilians goes to the Attorney General's Office for a review. So we'll teacher James is busy with Rochester, right. We just I think she's got three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which we haven't heard from. The the incident in front of the open door mission, the incident on the street where they they had done the person. They thought the car was of interest from something they saw ftwrs away, stopped it. Officer looks and we have body camp footage of that. Yep. We have body camp footage of the open door mission, Yep. To but the body camp footage of the car. The officer looks in. The person in the back seat does not open the door. He goes. Officer looks into the front seat, turns, you know, twist to look to the back seat. It calls out gun, gun, gun fire, and then we hear. We you know, we heard thousand, one, thousand and two, and then you begin to hear shots fired. Right, you don't know. We still haven't found out who's which direction they started. Yeah, right, but and then subsequently, when that scene was became stable, a tactical unit went in and we here on the body camp footage. Gun. You know, the gun is there in the back seat of the car, right. They remove they remove it insecure that weapon. So yeah, I'm which He Shul James has has her hands fully said, at least right from with Rochester. So let's talk about body Cam. Sure a minute here. So now I want to before before we continue, pattern the last the one that we're talking about previous to this one. That one was a shot spotter, that that that activated. The police intervene on that one. Give a F if I'm correct, this one is this. This was a person of interest that they were trying to they were trying to serve a line. Yes, okay, right, okay. So the mayor releases a statement. When was this? It was Saturday. You know where I get you know, midday or so. She releases a statement that saying and quoting from the statement, I have spoken with chief Harriet Sullivan, who briefed me regarding the events of last night meeting Friday night. She also assured me that the police department will cooperate Philly with the Attorney General's investigation. As the chief has shared with the public that deceased was a suspect in a number of violent incidents in our city and every effort was made to make the arrest in a manner that minimized danger to others. Any loss of life is tragic and my prayers are with the family and loved ones of the deceased. I am grateful to God that no one else, including our officers, was seriously injured. I have also discussed with chief Harriet Sullivan providing our officers with additional technology and addressing rpd procedures to ensure our specialized units have the ability to operate safely and still provide video to our community. She has assured me she is working to do so. So what can we expect with seeing body camp footage on SWAT officers? I you know, I don't know enough about how all that gets done. You you do want openness. I'm just wondering, and this is just me wondering, if Swat teams so body camp footage often gets redacted before it's released to the public. Right. I guess my question and if a listener knows more than I do, then write us and next week will get care of this. I'm just wondering if sometimes undercover officers go with Swat and...

...so if they're captured but somebody who's redacting doesn't. I just don't know if there's something that you need to do to preserve integrity of investigations. That's a great question. That's a I don't know. Yeah, it's a great question. As a great question, and you're right. If it's almost like, if you think of military if you think within a military format, right, if you have a mission, we are trying to extract somebody or you're trying to find it a terrorist or criminal or whatever and detain that person and you have a plan drawn out for your troops to go in and get them. You don't want anyone else knowing that plan and or at to mess up that mission. Right. That ends, and you're you're a great point. I get it. With this regular officers who are doing, you know, routine traffic stops and things escalate to something else, that we understand that because you don't expect to encounter these things. These things kind of happened on the blue but SWAT team, they're they're going in knowing that they're that this could be a very dangerous situation. And that's what they expect. They're trying to do that. And you're right, there's probably if they're tracking somebody or get somebody, there's probably a lot of work that was been that has been done in order them to get that far. So you don't want to mess that up per se. So I don't if, and you as a fantastic question, will body cams hinder that the work that you're doing when you're trying to trying to capture a especially a violent suspect, you know, if you've been tracking or tail them for a while, is that going to mess things up? I have I don't know. That's a fantastic question. Yeah, I don't know. I mean did you, do you work with informants on Swat as they that? I again, all these things that way be away above my pig and mind too, but I'm just wondering if, if that's something about the integrity of because we hear a lot about that, you know, the integrative investigations, which is why often wrap the scene, they don't police, don't share something with the media. We have to preserve the integrity investigation. Will we know? Will inform sure as it rolls out. So I'm just wondering about that. And you know, as we've seen in numerous incidents this year, one of the reasons police say the body CAM footage is not available right away as they need to redact it. So there was the incident like this is probably last year, the year before now. They they stuck to run together with the family, one on four. They needed to redact the child's face. Yeah, it and on Harris, you they need to redact the child's face. Incident in the open door mission. They need to redact the touchh on Jones's face and me. So this lot of work that needs to be done before we we see that right right. Public sees that. So again, I don't know. Obviously that's going to be a question that's going to be asked numerous times this week of why wasn't their body can before now? Chief Harry Hat saw omn has been there since October. Yeah, so she inherited the this body camp, sure she did, and her executive deputy, chief Andrea Anderson, who had set up a lot of the more transparent policies, he is gone and there have been changes in the command staff. So I can see this being I can see there being a bit of a gap on this. Right, right, because we have a new chief, her command staff is changing. We have a continuity sure situation here. That's this got to be smoothed out, I think. So. Yeah, you know, if if in a year we still don't have anything, then what's start jumping up and down if the week we don't have it? Let's just continue asking the question. Right, right, give it, give a little time to her to correct as Alf so and I want to get your opinion here, Patty. I think the situation is is a tad different than some of the previous ones that we've dealt with. Obviously the one in from the opennor mission didn't really involve a gun, so that that's completely different. Well, the man, he was he was advancing with the knife. So so didn't know it was a weapon, but it was right up. I'm...

...glad you're cleare for that. Yes, there was a weapon and that person was charging the police officer, not charging but coming towards the police office. He was advancing and he had an instrument on him that could have inflicted hard right, but I'm just saying this one's not a firearm and also this this wasn't a person of interest or suspect or anything like that. Same thing with the other crime, even though the shot spotter did you know that. That means that we're shots fired in the area and looking for the person who was firing in those shots. So you still had a high alert on that. But this is still not a person where you you know this is a produced is a person that of interest at WHO's been involved with, you know, deadly or violent crypt crimes. This person was already known to be a person of interest who was involved with violent acts and as a history of violent crimes. And and this person again we don't have the the the body cam footage, but it appears that there's it's there's a lot of evidence pointing that he did, actually did fire into the police officers and they returned it. So I think, even though I'm sure there still going to be some push back because of the body Cam, this one's probably a little bit more cut and dry. I think. Then the other ones are the other ones. You can see who wore why people would question stuff. This one seems like this was a they were going after this guy. This guy knew he was, he in chase, so he was running and as he was running he decided to fire at officers of his return fire, and that's why this resulted in this. This is this seems like this is more of a you know, if you understand what I'm saying, this is more of a I do, I do, but you can. But again, you know, while we have body camera footage of the other two in students is we're still not there right, you know, and and and being in the real time of it, the incident in the car they had cut when and when you again, you listen to that body camp footage, one of the officers is saying what, we checked on his name and then the name didn't match or something like that. All right, about that. So again, which is going to which I think is why the officer went into the car to say hey, let me tell me talk to you for a second, calls out there's a gun, and then we have a you know, we have what what transpires right now, and I agree with you. I'm not saying anyone did any anything wrong in a these cases. I guess. I guess what my point is. You can you expect certain amount of questioning from the public when things happening and when some questions are an answered I'm saying this incident, I don't know if you're can get as much you EA, still maybe it's because of the body camp stuff, but I'm not sure you can get a ton of pushback on this one because it seems more like this. He fired at the police officers and they fired back and this could that's how this resulted. Well, the thing, you know, the thing is all we have right now is is the one of one of the lines I like from Joan Armor Trading. Is Your version of the story that I know. Yes, so we have a news release from very true, very true. We don't have sworn statements from the office right involved. We don't. So my my hope on a lot of these is that because we, the attorney general, set a precedent by having the grand jury minutes of the game, you proved, the Daniel prood grand jury, having those minutes released. My hope is, and again I'm above my pay grade on this, those are though, he will also release the minutes of her investigations into this right so we'll know what everybody said and how these things you're investigated. I think that is important so that people who maybe tempted to people who rush to judgment. Will rush to judgment, yes, but but hopefully they'll be fewer of those. If she's proving she is going to be releasing all this information. Maybe that just turns down the heat a little bit. We know, we trust the Attorney Journal. It may take six months, but we will get all the notes from that. That is going to be public. Now it's going to be up to...

...us to read it right and find out what was said. Now the responsibility is on us to get that information. But hopefully over time things like that will prevent this rush to judgment. You know, all cups bad, all victims innocent. The truth, as they say on the x files, is somewhere in the middle. Yes, I think we've I think we've actually even said that. And obviously the the the what you guys live by. It bad munty reporters, from information to understanding, and we try to do the best that we can of that on this show as well. And you're right, I don't I hate Russian to judgment. I hate when people just say Oh, bad guy, cop, cop, bad, victor good or what, or vice versa. You're right, there's usually a little bit of there's the story is never black and white. Or cut and dry or just just this is a simple version is. There's always more to it. There's a usually something that we're missing, that we didn't see or didn't get the full report or or whatever. So you're right, Russian to judgment is a bad thing. I am I'm hoping. Here's my opinion and I wanted to get your opinion there. They're still have been protest and there still have been things happening in our city, you know, and involving that kind of thing, but they seem to have lessened a bit. They seem to not be as prevalent or, as you know, when that when it first started, it was that a lot. There's a lot of people and some things were damage and and there's a lot of uneasiness and unrested in the city. I think maybe we're turning the corner on this where we're trying to get back to, you know, hey, listen, especially with the recent amount of violences so happening in the city a lot where I said, there's like a multiple shooting is almost almost on a daily basis. I think people are beginning to maybe realize we need, you know, get this thing under control, because it was, I don't think any no matter what side you're on, whether you you're on the side of the police or you're on the side of, you know, justice for the people who may have and harmed by police. I don't think anyone wants daily violence in the city all the time. I think we are getting to a place where we're kind of getting, you know, we're indersting. Listen, no matter how you feel the shooting, the daily violence, this happen to see. That's got to stop, and I think there would be a difference of opinion of how that will be stopped. Yes, I do that job by police. Will that be stopped by the pick team? There are, you know, some of the people who were highly involved in reading the activists or running for office. Yeah, that's that is true. That is true. So I don't know if there I don't know. Is there a shift in is there a new strategy? I don't know. I think what's way till after the primary saying what will find what what happens? Right? Yeah, Nope, that that's that's a good point. Yeah, I I know as things open up, as people are out more and as the weather gets warmer, so and you actually have more people are probably outside in the streets doing things because of the warm weather tends to bring people out out from indoors outside. We want to make sure when we're out there that we're as safe as possible and I don't know how that's going to look at. I don't know who is going what the strategy is going to be, but we do need a strategy and and I hopefully that that comes to light soon because I think we need to turn the corner on the daily shooting so that we've had on for I know how long, I'll pretty much this entire pretty much this entire ere almost has been like that. I just like to see that kind of the kind of stop. Well, I think I thought it was. I know your word here on Friday the mayor and the anti gun groups. Yeah, Council Vice President Willy Whitefoot is there with, you know, rock against Gun violence, and they're at ten o'clock in the morning and one o'clock in the afternoon Major Crimes is on Weld street announcing...

...her. Yeah, you know that. You can't. You can't write that stuff and that's just so you so who's listening? So there's a couple marches over the weekend and and rally it at Mont Luther King Junior Park. Yeah, and so I was, I was at the start of one of the marches and said, you know, okay, we've done marches, we've done this. How is this going to be any different? You know, and it was don't change overnight. It continues to bring awareness to people. You know, you never know when you're going to reach somebody, you know, and it was it's like chronic. We're moving, we're moving, you know, doesn't happen overnight. When moving into the shortest nights of the year, out right in summer, and it seems like this night it doesn't change overnight. It seems like this night is the longest ever race, ever ever to get this to w is that? When is the sun going to come up on less of all, I went solution, yeah, that I want to say non violent or peaceful, but how will we get people to realize? And I talked to a grandmother and her grandson. Where there this grandson had known people who were victims of violence. Yeah, and we, you know, watching with with his grandmother, who is who would like to see her grandson grow to a right old age, yeah, and not be a victim of randomness, and so some of these seem very random. We don't know. Yeah, you're right, it's just we want to start hearing more positive stories of what's happening, especially, as you know, we finally are seeing a light at the end of this covid nineteen tunnel. Right we're allowed, the mandates are being lessened, a lot of things that were once closed in are opening. Bars and restaurants could now be pretty pretty much at full capacity. Stay open as long as you need to be. We're turning the corner and this is supposed to be our happy moment, but we still are stricken with this violence, and you're right, it just I would like to not see not just see the covid issue get better, I want to see the violence issue get better too, so we come to a time where not only are you able to be out and not worry about getting the covid nineteen buyers, but also feel safe while you're out. And it's just it's sad that we're turned the corner on one side, with the other side is still seems to be getting worse or staying at words out. I guess you know, last year people talked about the twin pandemic of COVID and racism. Yeah, and how covid or Covid and health disparities, depending on how you wanted a view racism. Often it was viewed in that sense. We're doing with COVID. Yeah, and the health problem. So health disparities, the racism and health disparities. And now I think we've got we're still into pandemics. Yeah, we've still got covid and we have violence. Yeah, I would agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah. Well, we will see, I guess, how this story concludes. As far as the individual that was who shot at police and please return fire and now is deceased, will I'm sure we'll learn more about that. More could be happening as we speak, but so we know more, we'll let you know more. All right, Patty, we are going to take a quick break and we come back. We got a lot more to talk about, so let's just keep it going. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to you. Inside the margins, Patty, did not leave, and thank you for not doing that. Appreciate that. All right, Betty. So what other big story here in in Rochester was the whole dirt bike store, the illegal dirt bikes being driven on the street. There's been a lot of problems with that and you know, there's there have been talks about the the the fines that you can have in regards to legally operating a dirt bike. As also been suggestions about maybe a dirt bike park. What's the ladies, that you've heard on these dirt bikes? Well, so city council had a listening session middle of the...

...week last week on this year there's been legislation has been pending. Jose Peyo, the council member from WHO represents the northwest, he introduced some legislation. It's several months ago and he's we had a conversation about this. We had an article in this week's minority report about that. You know, he said the time for talk is over, but he listened in on the listening session and they were probably about two dozen people who were either on zoom or had sent in an email, and there were two people who spoke in favor of the dirt bikes, you know, saying that we have community we're not going to stop doing this. You know, police chase us, it's causing more problems. We're not out to we're not out to make anybody's life miserable. This is just the passion we have, the hobby we have everybody else. Some people called it's. Some people also lumped in license motorcycles, you know with a pipes, I guess they call them right. Motorcyclists will put pipes on and work louder and things like that. So so they were sort of lumped in together and called sonic bullies. You know, some people, I forget exactly the phrase, but sort of like, you know, motorcycle terrorism or joke bike. You're terrorizing name with this. One woman talked about, you know, being out in her neighborhood with her child and the child just absolutely frightened, sure, by the noise, the speed, very loud, no numbers, you know, the whole bit, and you know the woman saying the woman saying my daughter said, well, they're going to be out tonight, kind of thing, and so affecting that person's quality of life. There were numerous people who called who live in the Highland Avenue area saying that that street is really become kind of a highway for this up by cobbs Hill and you know, they can't sit on the porch. They can't sit in the backyard and can't watch TV. That's the noise, things like that. So this is it's a problem. Yeah, and and you know, for one, one woman spoke about there are a lot of special interests in a community. All right, city has a lot of made up a lot of different people who like different things. Sure, so you know, her thing is is is burden. Okay, so are you going to give me a special place for all I could do is to see birds? I mean, somebody would argue that's a park, right, but point is, but, you know, but but if you if you go below her point is for every group that comes to you, what what do you do? How do you handle every single group comes to you? How do you weigh what it? What makes sense, what doesn't make sense? What's the greater good, what's not? I mean a dirt bike park to me, just watching these vehicles off road needs a lot of space. A yeah, we we're gonna put that. No, that it's disco point. People may may wait and people make some great points. Are they going to pay for the park through permits? Who's going to be liable if there's an injury? If it's a city, you know, if it's a municipal if government is running this, this place, who's responsible for an injury? I don't know what happens if you fall and break your leg hiking at Durand, you know, or no, mton Park Right. I don't know who's responsible for that. But that's why we have a lot apartments to figure that out. But these are questions that people are asking. What about insurance? What about liability? What about permit fees? Sure, so, and it's so. I mean I I skate when I go to Genesee Valley, I have to pay to get into that facility. It's not free to me right now. I do assume liability once I'm on the ice, right, but I had to pay to get in. So, but have have the have the people who use these vehicles thought about that? You may have to pay to go to this part. Yeah, I thought. I think that. Again, this is an opinion, just just my opinion. I think having a park that people paid it...

...to be a part of. I think that's probably the way to go, because you're right, it's not like a it's not like a skateboard park where it's you can have a relatively small area doesn't need to people who do skateboarding and stuff. It's not a huge dirt bikes are our massive, you know, heavy vehicles, so you need a lot of Rooin, a lot of space to have those. I'm not saying that you don't have a dirt bike park. I think anything to turn them from driving them a league the on the streets is always a good thing. So I'm not I'm not saying don't do that, but there's a there's a few things you got to worry about. So, okay, you have a dirt bike park. So if you're driving the dirt bike illegally, how do you get that dirt bike to the dirt bike park? Do you drive an a legally to dirtbike park on the and then you're there? Right. Somebody mentioned that and one of the people who was in support of the park said we have trailers. You know, we take our bikes places anyway. We have trailers for them. Whatever that's some people have trailers for them. Depending on where this is, some people may operate their illegal dirt bike get to the legal place. Well, right to to enjoy that. So yes, some people will will abide by the laws and and other people are going to push those yes, so push the limb right and that the whole point is to try to get them not to be on the street illegally. So I think that's what we have to look at. But yeah, I do. I I'm kind of in favor because there are there are skate parks, are are skateboard parks, there are hiking trails. They're all types of things that are made for people who do those kind of things. So I'm not I'm not against having a definite area where people can go write their dirt bikes about your hobby. That's that's fine, just as long as you're not infringing on everyone's right to their happiness and their homes by being illegal and in the streets and, you know, messing up there. They're likely or there are there day. If you can go somewhere where it's kind of remote and and out of the way, it's not really bothering anybody else and you get to enjoy your passion, I don't I don't have a problem with that. But where is the land? Yes, it could be done now. So, if you think about so, wouldn't it be? Would you be great if you had some play some some land as big as say what Amazon is going into wing gates. You had that huge industrial park. Well, you know, somebody paid a lot of money for that land and they're going to bring a lot of jobs. So that's going to benefit the economy. Right. But where? Where do you have a chunk of land, though, that? Don't have it in the city? No, you can know. No, and after somewhere isn't anything. Yeah, yeah, after, somewhere outside. And you're right. Those are those are the questions that I cannot, I definitely can answer you. You have to find a place that makes sense to have it and obviously not it can't be in the city. That that's not where you want to because that's still that was still create a problem. I don't know. Or maybe you know, like there's I don't know now if people have trailers and they're willing to go places. You know, like there's there's those race tracks that that like a Watkins Glenn or whatever, or they maybe they can open that up for dirt bike riding. You know what I mean that? I thought about that before and I could because what that Watkins Glen Race Track is not always being used. So maybe when it's not being used for races, maybe they can open up and charge your feet to let people right their dirt bikes on that track. And it's a big trackability. Yeah, you know, it's a big track and it could, they can handle vehicles of that, of that nature. And it's not about some county fairground type places. Very, very yes, you know, absolutely, and you'd have to limit because county fairground, I mean you're still if you're out by the Dome and you're out in that area, I mean they're still there, still our residences sure nearby on that. So yeah, tracks that does as you go west on the through way, as at Lancaster's speedway. Yes, yes, yes, there's. There's some place like that. You wait. So as we're just, you know, throwing stuff out here, hopefully people who can who can do things and make things happen, listen to us. The what's it called influencers?...

Don't we wait? Are they talking? Because there are a couple city council people and a couple of maybe county legislators, at least one I'm thinking of. Yeah, in each instence who's very much, you know, in favor of something like this. Perhaps that person is already in contact with somebody from one of these speedway places. Sure, is it? Do you have land alongside right can be used for this or something along those along those lines? Yeah, no, I think that's a I think that makes sense, because now you don't have to build something, right, you don't have to actually put you don't have to use money and resource stuff us something together. You can have something that's already there. If that's used to race vehicles of that nature, to just open it up to the public. You're not racing on a daily basis. So you can say, Hey, listen, you know Mondays and Wednesdays or whatever whatever Down't whatever days, you whatever, are dirty by days. Yeah, right. So here's the thing. You need to have a permit, you need to have insurance, you need to have a helmet, right, all right, and then you, you know, you ride to whatever the fee is or whatever, you buy the permit, you know, unlimited rides for that whatever, unlimited shirt, working from nine to five or whatever. So then what would be interesting to me is say, okay, you need a helmet, you need insurance, you need a permit, come and do this. Then that's where I think we start to separate people who legitimately want to ride their dirt bikes form their form, their family, compete against each other in a in as safe a manner as possible from the people who just want to get in people's faces. And I think that's a great point. And then you they don't really have if you do that, the people that you arrest your ticket for being in the city still doing it. They have no legitimate argument. They like listen to you go, there's a park open out there, you could take it to you. So and you're still in this. Read now, this is totally on you. Right. They say, well, I don't have a trailer. I'm sorry. You know what? Yep, we can. Yep. What? What? What can we do? You know, if this is your hobby, no one's no one buys me my hockey stick. Correct, exactly, right. Right, I mean that's my I don't go to Genesee Valley and say, Oh, now, can you do you have a stick for me? Right, you got to bring your own self, right, you know, wait, exactly. So, so bad analogy, baby, but no, it's you know, it's a it's play hockey in the street on the ice, because you can get you can get hurt, you get hit by a car or whatever. Go someplace out there is a place for me to go, but I have to follow the rules in that place. Right now. That's it's it's it's a legitimate argument because even, let's say you're a golfer, you have to either buy your own clubs or you have to run clubs to play. You they don't just here some free clubs here you to go play. Either you own your clubs, are you paid them to give you clubs of the to use? You can rent trailers. You don't got to buy a trailer. You can run a trailer for the day to take your take your bike. I know those rental places out there. So if you're like you said, if you this is a thing, that you're passionate about this, if this is truly your hobby, then you will do what you need to do to get to the place where you can you can enjoy yourself and be safe and also not bother anybody else who may not want to hear or be a part of your hobby. If you're if you still are in the city doing it, that means you have a different motive and then you need to deal with the consequence of that. So we talked about accountability. I mean it you know, accountability has been a big word lately and watch it's yes, it is, and lotsostward as right, but so so. Yeah, we have to be accountable for our decisions. Yes, and if we decide then we're going to continue to ride illegally, then you're right that there are consequence, consolutely and we have to accept they are. Accountability for that, right, right, all right, Patty. Well, thank you so much for being with me today. I got a special audio piece I'm going to play in the show off, but before I do that I want to make sure I do say these things that I normally see in the beginning.

But on the same right now, the minor minority report as a great job covering stories that involve our community and and stories that are interested, that are important to you. I know they are also part of the Maryl may old debate, debate. I know the minory report reporters covering that or covered that. So that is great. They're always involved. They're always there with with the in stories and covering things that matter to you. So you should check out the stories there. Go to minority reporter dotnet again. That's minority reporter dotnet. I am a subscriber to the minority reporter. I actually just renewed my subscription, so but I g you're very welcome, but I think it's a great obviously I'm a big fan of the paper and I read as much as I can. Also, you'll have the option to subscribe to it as well. If you go to the website there is a subscribe but there you can get the hard copy or the print version of the paper as your choice. But I definitely think you should take advantage of that opportunity also, if you guess Patty said when we were talking about these things, these ideas that we have. If you have any comments on that or questions or suggestions of your own, both the minority reporter and us here at inside the margins are would love to hear your feedback. All you have to do is any email to editor at my order reporter DOTNET. Again, that's editor at minority reporter DOTNET. They'll take an account to what you have to say or your suggestion and they love to hear from you and US as well at inside the margins. Just go to inside the margins radiocom there's a contact us section there. You can contact us and let us know what you think. Also, if you missed any past episodes of inside the margins, you can go to that site as well. We're also available on I heart and wherever you get your podcast or Patty, you are always awesome. I always appreciate you. Thank you so much and, like I said, Patty, I know you were aware this, but a lot of listeners were not aware of what happened in Tulsa a hundred years ago and an area called Black Wall Street. So there is a piece I'm going to play to end the show off. It's going to talk about a little bit what happened and also some great documentaries and and short films that can give you more information on that. It's definitely a piece of history that I think everyone should know about. Definitely it's good thing that. Thanks yea. Thank you, Patty. All right, Patty, and I will see you next week when I come back. I'll just say a couple quick things. I will play the piece. This is inside the margins. Welcome back to inside the margins. So Monday may thirty one mark the one hundredth anniversary for one of the worst acts of racial violence in American history. Was the Tulsa Race Nassacre. So what happened? Back in one thousand nine hundred and twenty one, a mob of white people tore down and burned the Greenwood district of Tolsac Homa, and this was a segregated part of the city and it was very prosperous and it was known as Black Wall Street, very to do bustling area and with the historians are saying over one thousand two hundred homes and buildings were destroyed by the violence and it killed anywhere between one hundred and three hundred people. And also, thanks to white dominated power structure the city of Tulsa and the state of a Cuoma, news what the massacre was pretty much wiped away from many official sources for decades, and I've bumped it to many people who told me they had never even heard of the masker before, people much older than me, you know, and I'm in my s. So I found that shocking that a lot of people were unaware of this story which, I guess, you know, with everything else happening, I can see how today that might have been buried, but I think it's an important story for people to hear about. So what I want to do I want to play a piece from Eric Degans from NPR, and I know sometimes it's hard to find books or take the time to find books to read up on things. So sometimes the best way to get educated is to watch films or documentaries about what happened, and Eric Degans from MPR has some...

...suggestions for films to watch for you to learn about what happened in Tulsa. For a long time that Tulsa race massacre was the attack America for God. It obliterated Tulsa, Oklahoma's prosperous black owned Greenwood district, also known as Black Wall Street. The riots by White Moms was hushed up by local officials and overlooked in history books. But that is changing as several TV outlets mark the centennial with documentaries on the massacre and it's aftermath. It's an effort to educate Americans on a horrendous attack which burned down over one two hundred homes and killed between one hundred and three hundred people. Among the best and most cinematic of these efforts is the history channel Film Tulsa Burning, the One thousand nine hundred and twenty one race massacre, Co directed by Emmy winners Stanley Nelson and executive produced by NBA star Russell Westbrook. This film opens with Reverend Robert Turner, pastor of historic Vernon a MEY church, who regularly visits Tulsa City Hall with a Bible and a bullhorn, reminding residents of the atrocity across referen Turner Pastors the Church where black people hid in a basement to avoid white moms one hundred years ago. He now supports efforts to excavate a local cemetery where victims of the massacre are rumored to have been dumped, and unmarked graves, and passing the church where the members that and the survivors never saw justice, that aregravated my spirit. It's an embarrassment that we have never had a district attorney investigate the worst crime in this city's history. See An inns film dreamland. The burning of Black Wall Street also toggles between recounting the history leading up to the attack and showing the legacy of its impact on modern Tulsa. Using archival footage and animated scenes, this film recreates the story of how black people, fleeing the overt racism of the confederate states after the civil war came to Oklahoma in hopes of finding less oppression. They helped to build the Greenwood district into a community filled with hundreds of black owned businesses. But when a group of armed black men tried to stop the lynching of a young black man unfairly accused of assaulting a white woman, tension built and to white mobs attack the Greenwood district. Animation and an actress reading the words of survivor Mary parish to recreate the same there is a great shadow in the sky. This cloud was caused by fast approaching air planes. It then dawned upon us that the enemy had organized in the night and was invading our district, the same as the Germans and Dadd France. I fled out the West door on Greenland, running amidst showers of bullets. A third film on PBS Tulsa, the fire and the forgotten, as a more personal touch, centered on the work of longtime Washington Post Journalist de nine L Brown. The film narrated by this Program Zone Michelle Martin, shows Brown interviewing descendants of attack victims, exploring efforts to find justice in the present. Yet with all her work on the massacre and it's aftermath. Brown notes. There's one thing she can't explain. oftentimes, black people are called on camera after something racist occurs to explain racism, to explain what happened, to explain the incident, but I can't explain why white people hate black people so much. After watching these three excellent films, viewers still may not understand exactly why this hatred exists, but they will learn just how deadly and how far reaching unchecked racism can be. I'm Eric Diggins, all right, so make sure you check out. If you don't have time to read up or read a book on what happened Tulsa, go and check all some of those suggestions by Eric and I appreciate the input from Eric degins. All right, that will do it for us this week. Thank you so much for joining us on inside the margins. Will be back next week. My Nice self and patty singer. Of course, want to thank the minority reporter for...

...all is always doing such a great job and also covering so much news that's important to us, as well as the elections that are happening. So until next week, we are signing off for Patty Singer. I am Matt Wilson, see you next week. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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