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Episode 35 · 1 year ago

The Arraignment of Mayor Lovely Warren and the Protesting for Justice

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We discuss the arraignment of Mayor Lovely Warren and the continued protests for justice .

Marginalized groups can be the target of negative beliefs, behaviors or judgments from others. On this show we seek out marginalized voices and perspectives and tackle some of the conflicts and issues these groups face. Now is the time to have your voice heard. This is inside the margins with your host, Matt Wilson. Hello and welcome to another edition of inside the margins. I'm your host, Matt Wilson. Well, as we can see, covid is still definitely a factor. Numbers are going up, not just in residential areas but also in the colleges. Also, protesting continues here in the Rochester area and now it's kind of gotten out towards webster, and we'll talk about that little later on. And also mental health. It definitely could be a challenging thing during these times. Obviously everyone's stressed out with everything that's going on. What kind of talk about that as well? But before we Gett into those topics, let's go ahead and talk about today's headline news from the minority reporters, patty singer, hello and good afternoon to you, Patty Him Matt, always have always a pleasure and Solf. So what we the only two people who look forward to Monday. I think we are well okay the Bundays we go. Everybody who tunes into the PODCAST, whatever day of the week, absolutely forwards to to Monday. So it's one day. Here we go. Swiss justice is demanded. Organizers to protest Attorney General James. Local activists are demanding the immediate firing, prosecution and conviction of the officers involved in the death of Daniel prude. They say if demands are not met by October sixteen, they will travel to Albany to demonstrate peacefully and they are asking the community to join. Monroe Community College gets cares act money for healthcare workforce training. The county has announced five hundred Fiftyzero dollars in cares act money. Attorneys for suspended RPD officers address the Daniel prude case. The attorney said that the official the officers acted according to their training and they also cited the drug use of Mr Prude on that evening as a contributing factor in his death. Blacks and Latino's accounted for a higher percentage of Monroe County overdose deaths in two thousand and nineteen. The percentage of deaths from those substances. Among blacks went from thirteen point three percent of the total to twenty one point twenty one percent. Among Latino's, the percentage went from seven point seven percent to fifteen point five percent. The city's information technology department is to submit documents in the independent investigation into the proved death. The IT Department receive a Pena from the independent investigator that is working. It was hired by city council. The school board has extended its searched to fill the vacancy left when Natalie Shepherd went to the board of elections. Candidates now have until five PM October thirteen to submit an application. Area Churches of providing free covid nineteen tests and flu shots. Several area churches have. They started that on October five and they will be doing that through the end of this week. Mayor Warren and CO defendants pred not guilty to campaign finance charges. Mayor Lovely Warren, Albert Jones Jr and Rosalind Brooks Harris or reigned last week in national news. The wealth gap costs all. The wealth gap over the last two decades. The cost of that was two point seven trillion dollars in black income in sixteen trillion dollars to the US economy. The gaps are due to housing, education, business ownership and access to credit. The court orders the trump administration to extend the census count through October thirty one. That gives everyone more time to respond, either in person or online, to the census in opinion. George Payne remembers the legacy of Belva at Lockwood. Before there was Ruth Beata Ginsburg, there was Belva and Bennett Lockwood. Michael Vaughan says something to think about is all politics are local. So Stop Blaming Donald Trump. And how would ego ask? Are Our leaders making significant change or just posturing wasting time and resources? That thank you as always, Patty. And as always, if you want to get the full versions of the headline news you just heard Patty talk about, you can go into the minority reporter Dotnet and again there you get the full versions of all these headlines. You'll also have the option to subscribe to the to the minority reporter and you could do the digital version or the paper version if you want. Let's go ahead and...

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...think what I may say this time is if he if he hears it, and you know what, he should hear it. Even if he's going to say no, but your parent, right, you know you're going to say no to what's going to listen, right, exactly listen, because maybe the next time you'll your child will convince you. Right, all right, so you you've on for down the road. So what I will say the next time is that if you are concerned about the sound of still photography, the photography uses a mitten over the shober, the shutter, which muffles the shutter and the sound is it's it's not a cloud click, it's just a it's just a little like a kind of thing, a little right, right, so, so that maybe you know it's not disrupt if it were a Monroe County judge my I'm discussing, my guess is it would have allowed it because whoever that judges has worked with the meet the local media, right right, this this this judge comes from Kuga County. So I'm thinking, does Kyuga County, does Auburn have its own TV station or does it rely on Syracuse and Rochester? That's a good question. I'm actually Yah is the Auburn citizen. There's a couple of small papers, so there isn't a big media presence right in Auburn. Did they? Did they allow? Did they allow audio where you're able to record? Are Don't know, nothing working. Wow, recording whatsoever? Wow, okay, nothing. So you've got to be which is which is why, if you saw the news conference afterwards, most of the people at the news conference were not in the so the only people in the courtroom where those of us who petitioned. I really got to did this because I got to get in the courtroom right fishing to be to have cameras, because then the judge said, well, we might as well let these people stay. Now, if you've ever been in the city court, it's it's their court rooms are they're okay size, but this is Covin. So every other road is blocked off right right. One person per road. It's allowed. And if the capacity of the court room is x and you have to take say a third of that, remember you need there were three attorneys, attorneys for each of the defense each of the defendants. There were two or three people from the DA's office, all the court stenography people, I mean, so there were probably a dozen people that would just had to be there right for the for the preceding and then you know, letting, letting other people. So it's and everyone's talking to masks. You know, it's court city. Court is tough on the best days. So what my point is? So when you watch these news conferences afterwards and you hear people go, well, so, what happened in there? Don't think we're idiots. Most of the people asking their question weren't inside right pending on whether they got the feed or not, and it can happen very quickly and it's through masks, so you can be hard to under to grasp everything. So the question of what happened in there is really to help everybody. We understand what is going on and the best attorneys will put it in that kind of fifth grade language. This is why I worked about mental health later, because you need something with those guys situations. Man, that's crazy. Well, I'm glad that you were able to get in there. So I guess they'll ask you. What was the atmosphere like? How was it? How quick was it? Did she seem a beat out of it? Go she did seem upbeat. It way, it was a it was a brief conference, which was, you know, they went off to the side. So we don't know what that was all about. They her attorney asked him, ask the judge basically why you here? And I think they're going to challenge that. So when the DA announced the indictment would have been one a week ago Friday, she said it was in a I'm going to paraphrase. I don't have not listening to the recording and I don't have notes in front of me, but it was something something like it was they went out of the county to they went out of the county for the judge, the administrative law judge went out of the county to get a judge to hear this. HMM. The issue that the defense has is the administered, the administrative law judge, who was just as Doran. Did he do this on his own or was he asked by the DA to do it? Because it defense is saying nobody asked us. The was this. So you're the laterally, all of a sudden we've...

...got somebody from outside the county and the defense attorneys were all saying when we know goody in Monroe County, could be fair and and all that right, but one of the defense attorney's also mentioned they may consider a change of venue. So I'm thinking. Well, you're considering a change of venue. My way of thinking is why you yet worked up about an out of town judge coming in right, right as you want to take this thing away. And I'll be honest with you, Matt, as a citizen that, just as a reporter, is going to be a pains. I won't be able to cover this right right was to syracuse or Buffalo. But it will. We can get lane's probably and do it that way. But at the same time, how you going to get it? How you your injury? Yeah, people either love her or let her yep, YEP supporters outside afterwards. I thought they were. I think she's got a crowd sir, to be perfectly honest, daring and the hugging. I just thought there was going to be like a concert. She was just going to go across the top of the crowd. And then there are people, the prostesters, who want her to resign for a variety of reasons. I don't I don't see a whole lot of people, on the face of it, who are lovely, warring out. Okay, take a reliever, you know, kind of that kind of neutral she is. She is engendering emotion in people okay, so now it's opinion time. Side. I want your opinion because you know she was under a lot of scrutiny recently with the protests of people were calling for her to resign. Do you think this indictment as shifted that a little bit, that people that were maybe against her have now jumped about, jumped on that bandwagon of supporting her now? Well, let me say this about that. and gets two things to say. Okay, sure, her attorney said she was. She was, she was not. President. Resigning was not part of the discussion, he said. HMM, we don't know what part of the discussion is. All we know is what he said. But afterwards, and I put this out in the interest of our discussions here, where you and I can discuss a lot of things. We can agree and we can disagree and we hope that our audience is as open minded as we try to be. Right there were people afterwards saying the mayor deserves due process. She is innocent to a proven guilty. You have to let this play out. Innocent to a proven guilty, treat her with respect. And if you look at the video that is on Eis on minority reporter with the story there's a woman saying that this video. What do you think I was thinking when I heard that about the the police? Yep, I figured. Yep, that, which makes the whole point, and you're making a great point. Pretty much anyone who's arrested is supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. That's supposed to be the due process and everything that we do with our system. So that is supposed to be the way. So you're right. It's like when you tell a kid you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's kind of what that's what you're seeing here, is what you're saying. You're seeing people say I want justice and due process and she's innocent until proven guilty. However, you demand immediate arrests and punishment of the police officers. So it's kind of like you want out one way or the other. I so I totally understand what you're saying there. And you can't demand conviction, can't? People don't like lovely warrant can't demand her conviction. No, but people who think the police were egregiously wrong can't demand their conviction. Yep. So no way it's we're going to agree on this one here. I have no disagreement on you. So this is what I'll say. It's okay to not be happy with the outcome of what happens after someone, whether whether you love or Hate Mary or lovely Warren, if you're not happy that she did not, you know, get found guilty, or if you happy if she is get found she's found guilty. Whatever you are, you have your right to your opinion. No one's going to take that away from you. But you still have to let it play out. You have to let the law work. Doesn't matter how you feel about anything. Everyone has emotions, but you have this. That's the way it works. You have to let it play out and you know, if you're not happy, so be it, but that's the way it is. I do agree with you on that, and this is the same with with the office. is absolutely correct. You know, you've gotta you've got to let these investigations you through and and and justice. Again, I think we've talked with this. My definition of justice is allowing others the rights I claim for myself. Yep, so if I believe...

...that that we have to let this play out, from Mayor Warren, then I have to say we have to wear it play out for the officers and the same, I said. But I can't we just Sagrie out for the officers. I said, I have to let it play out from mail one. Yeah, what her attorney and what the other two attorneys also brought up is is the prosecutions cases. They have to prove intent. Yes, I do. If a mistake was made, mistake was made. They've got to prove that this was intentionally. It wasn't a mistake, it was intentional. I don't know how to do that. Stay tuned, starting on gamely. I mean that's the first day. That's the schedule. Shocked, if it was January, twelve things you could get pushed back, but I don't. It's all stay tuned, is to how intent gets proved. I don't know that right. Right, Nope, you're right, and I think we talked about this a little bit earlier last week. I believe there could still be some sort of penalty even if intense not found, but it may not be a severe and there may no be felonies involved and you may just have to pay back the money that was, you know, displaced or whatever. That may happen. We don't know, but you're right. Well, that I don't know about that. If, if they cannot prove intent, and again I'm not the attorney. Sure, no, absolutely not. The expert, my former colleague gap you, Craye, is. But if they can't prove intent, there would be nothing. License is this is all. This all or nothing. You know, got you. I got you. Is Not. There's not. Okay, we can't prove intent, but you still messed up. You know. I mean, yeah, it's intent or not intent. To my reading of this, somebody will send us an email if a lawyer is listening, and will correct us on it. But I think it's if they can't prove intent, this may be it. Right, I got you, built it right. I do want to make sure I reiterate this because I think it's very important and I want our listener centers in that too. The thing about the laws you have to let it play out. You have to. Does it matter how you feel inside of your angry or angry or whatever. You have to let things play out. So if you think someone's didn't row, it's been it's done something wrong and they've been arrested for it, you got to let prosecution prove, you know, beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty of that crime before they're penalized for it. It doesn't work. People get arrested and they're immediately penalized. Doesn't work that way. You got to let everything play out. So, while I understand everyone's frustration on Mayor Lovely Warren and also on the police involved with Daniel prude, you do have to let things play out. That's just the way it works and that's, like I said, you and I are definitely going to agree on that. I am for letting the law play things out. You can't. It's not as this is not ellison wonderland off with their heads, which when you're up set, it doesn't work that way. You know what I mean. So it's still the United States of America, right exactly? Yep, we still have the laws that did to take this so yes, but obviously stay tuned on both Mayor Lovely Warren and Daniel prude before we get in the covid because I know that's going to shift our conversation completely. Just real quick, and this will be brief mentioned. So we were speaking about some of the protests that we're calling for Mayor Lovely Warren toward design. So now there's protests, you know, in front of the Dace House, calling for resignation there and it gets US leaked out towards webster and I believe, Patty, this is we're looking at Friday. That's the second protest that's happened and webster are my correct on that? Yeah, I believe they were also there the week the week prior they were in okay, okay, the most recent one, I think they were in more of a higher traffic, you know, more public right area. Yeah, I got I got reports that they were out towards the I know the grocery store Haggadorans is out there. They're out in that area as where I heard. I didn't get the full story, but I'm not sure if there was any arrests there or any violent interactions. But we were talking about this and I and I want to bring this up and just get your opinion as well. So I've always said when we want to make sure that we're input implementing change, when we think things aren't going the way they should be, and I obviously always have them always will be all for protesting. That's how a lot of things start. You know, we talked about the s when we were trying to get things changed then and women's rights and voting and all that stuff. All that stuff happened with protesting. So I'm never going to say protest is a bad thing. I'm never going to be on that side. However, you do have to think of other things to get things to change. Eventually. Protesting gets the message out.

Yes, you get your get your demands heard, but now how do you get those demands implement? Implement in it. So you got to start thinking of other ways to do things to get changed. You get that ball rolling of change to start. As my opinion on that. What do you think about that? Oh yeah, I mean, I agree with them and I think that once you've got people's attention, and I personally, I shy away from the term demand. Yes, point buddy in a corner, because that doesn't leave anybody any room to negotiate. So years ago I had a conversation with person who has who hits her overseas, and I remember that this conversation we talked about different cultures and how we have been in one of the one of the Iraq wars, and was talking about the difference in culture and how when you when you had to hash things out, you needed to leave, you needed to allow the other side to save some face. Right. So, when when I hear demands, that just to me in trenches people, and then the people who, okay, I have a demand of you. Right, well, man, I'm on more money for the show, more money, you know. And then so I put you in a corner. And then if you can't deliver to my demand, what what happens to the relationship? Right, every everything is relationships, and so we have to live in the same community, to work with each other, see each other. How do we build a relationship based on not a demand like I want this, just slamming on table, but we need to make changes. How can we make changes? Yeah, you're right. Someone told me when I was like negotiat why was in some sort of contract negotiation with something else. They said the one thing you always have to remember when you go into a negotiation. Negotiation, each side wants to feel like they want the other thing too. If you say this is what I want, well, okay, suggest to me how we're going to get there, right. What's it? What's it going to look like? What's it going to cause? What's it going to what's what's involved in this? So demand is anybody can demand anything like. What is it that you're going to work toward and that, and that to me is the hard part. Yeah, we want X, Y and Z. All right, how are we going to restructure what we have now if we can't add anything new, because, don't remember, nobody's got any money. That is what I just just have a hard time understanding. If you if you want to read restructure where you send your money. Great Ideas. That's a good idea. Let's figure out what we're spending where. We don't want to militarize. Okay, we're where we going to spend the money on. What kind of services would that be? What would be some place tags for that? Oh and, by the way, we've spent two million dollars almost it. We would never, we are never going to get back to spend on what it is. What it some of these ideas are, or what some of these demands, wishes, negotiations? Where do you want to call it? Our that money is gone. I think the everybody's broke statement is probably the best and the most true statement you've made this show that everyone is broke. That's true. So here's my here's my thought, this is my this is how I'm thinking, and then we'll move into the covid stuff. So let's say so the protesters who are out demanding and change, and then finally someone says, okay, we've heard your protests. We're suggesting that we do want to change, we want to implement things and restructure stuff. So we want someone who was a representative of the people who are demanding change to sit down with us and we'll talk about how things things should be restructured. So giving you a seat at the table and get giving you a chance to be part of what the change is will help us and you, but also you'll be involved with helping US start making the changes and get that ball rolling so we can see how you know law enforcement in the future is going to look. What do you think about something like that? I think in theory that yes, I think. But here's my question. Are The people protesting wanting wanting all nothing, because that conversation at King Arthur's table or...

...whatever table? Yeah, the UN or whoever, may not get everything that that they are demanding. It may take time right negotiations. Are People going to feel the all being coopted. They're giving us at this quote unquote, seat at the table, whatever that means. And so now they're thinking that they're just going to shut us up because they invited us in. I don't know the answers. The people to Bill Johnson's of the world have to have to go out and and so as and they may have done this. I don't know. He doesn't invite me to these meetings. So I don't know. Is He talking with the folks rule England saying, you know, we want to hear you, but we can't. You may not get everything you want. Right, all right, by the way, I would invite you to any of my meetings, Patty, you have an open invitations. Want to let you know that. So I want to segue into covid because the reason why I want to because we're talking about fatigue. anyways, people are beginning, I believe people are beginning to get fatigued with the protest. I believe that's happening. I think that's why you're seeing a lot of push back on that now, because at first everyone's like, okay, we understand, but you know, there's something that happened. We need to have that change. But I think as it keeps going and going, people be going to get fatigued. That's happening and with Covid to, I believe people are getting fatigued there. People aren't wearing their masks as much anymore, people aren't taking the social distancing as seriously anymore. People are gathering in larger groups now, you know. So covid numbers have now gone up. So we were seeing numbers that like cases of like twelve or maybe even twenty. Sometimes that was it. So I know you got the the recent numbers in front of you. I know they're much higher than just twelve new cases. Now they've actually spiked up a decent amount. So what were the ladiest numbers that we saw? So on Friday and again, these are the updates that are given right, right, right at that day. These people, these are these, this is the day of that comes in. Right. Okay. So on Friday, which was what the night, there were fifty four total new cases, no new death. So there's still three hundred, three hundred deaths in the count me. They have changed how they count hospitalizations. It used to be just Monroe County. It is now the finger lakes region. Twenty six people in the region hospitalized, three in the ICEE. You looking at that, that good news. Of probably isn't weird phrase, but that is. You know, if there are twenty six people in the region hospitalized and just three of them are in the ICEU, those three people obviously are quite ill, but others are not right, you know. So, so one of the bigg concerns was will there be enough hospital resources? Right now they would appear to be six people and only three of those meeting eventilator. That would have seen that the county is still prepared at this point. Right. So on Saturday there were forty three new cases. So basically in two days there were almost a hundred cases. If you four and forty three, it's carry the one now and that was that was more than they have been in I can't say more than in the previous month, but it would it would have taken a couple yeah, yeah, although all the last month or so it would have taken a week or more to get into. Yeah, that's where we were into. They're absolutely correct. Yep. So, and you know, you look at the ages again. You know, schools are open. There was this issue at Nazareth. So on Friday with fifty four new cases reported. Eight of those were in males who teams ten, ten to nineteen. Five were among females in their s, eight were among males in their s. The next day of forty three. Six were of teenage males. Eight were among males in their s. So that's a big yeah, that's a that's kind of a chunk of people. So on Friday the Health Commissioner, Dr Michael Mendoza, said that he was announcing they're reporting an increase in...

...positive cases compared to recent days. I mean huges. That was fifty four. That would have been like a week's fourth yeah, right, not not half a week, but anyway several days to make what we had in one day. He said. This is a quote from a news release. The numbers do not yet reflect all of the cases being reported by Nazareth College. So the health department contact tracing team has been working to determine where are these fifty four individuals were exposed. He said that approximately seventy percent or close contacts of individuals recently identified as positive for Covid nineteen. Nearly all of the remaining individuals report traveling outside of the area or attending a social event. MMM. So he shut up, you know, holding off on saying if this is increased community spread right the Outcomo, contact tracing will determine that. So we got people who traveled, people attended a social event and seventy percent will close contacts of individuals recently identified. Now whether that was all Nazareth's, he's not saying right. There's a night nineteen right at that, never at the time, nineteen right now. Okay. So other communities where where college students on or off campus have gathered and then you know a number of cases have been traced or believed to be traced to that. So that incident. Yeah, I was reading somewhere to that were some of the younger people have a mindset where, you know, I'm younger, so even if I get it, the the propertibility of recovering without any issues as much higher because of my youth and I'm in good health and I don't take medications and don't have any pre exist and conditions. So they're they tend to be a little less worried about it. So that could be the reasons why they're not practicing the social distancing is hard. That's that's a theory that I forgot who said that. I read it somewhere, but that was a theory that someone was saying that you're seeing the cases we cop it first came out, a lot of it was a was an older people, and now we're seeing that kind of shift. It's going to younger people now. You spoke to it. Kids are in school now, so obviously that has a lot to do with it. But also they're saying there may be a mindset in the younger people that because I'm younger and I'm in better health and I don't have any pre existing because conditions, I'm not as weary of getting it, so I'm not really going to practice the precautions as hard as maybe someone who's a little bit older would, which I would reply, then don't go to grandma exactly. And what about your parents? What about auns and uncles, grandparents, you know, people who want as roll bust as you might be. I mean that's why you know this talk about fatigue. You know, I a little tired of hearing we're all in this together. You know, it sounds so polly an ish. We are, but it's hard to think that way when our society is so fractured. I am. I in this for you, Matt Right, what you know, where everybody's got their own doing their own thing. So if you don't have altruism, you're not going to do this for your neighbor. If you don't like your neighbor, the p their music, wild or whatever, do it for your own I mean that's the mayor stick might protect your circle. Yep, point for the people that you're hanging out with. You want to go see grandma on Sundays. We're a mask all week that. That's a very good point. Yep, I agree with that. I have I have to ask the question, and I'm not going to get political, but I have to ask the question. Do you think the way leadership is sometimes can play to how people act when they see leadership not practicing social distancing or wearing a mask? Well, that's the the wall. You know he's doing it. I guess it's cool. I guess I'll do it too. Do you think maybe that may play a part? Yeah, again, again, I'm killing you. May of course. I mean modeling behavior is there's a whole learning theory. Social learning theory is based on modeling behavior. Right in the health world. If you are a health educator. If you're the county health commissioner and you want to change people's behavior, one of the theories you may use is social warning theory, which is all about role modeling. Who Your role models? Yeah, and you're right. You know, people do follow the lead, so that's probably the case. They're okay. Last thing I want to mention, Patty, was mental health. I know this is a tough time for everybody because it's as you can see, a lot of people are divided, people are standing on opposite ends of what's going...

...on as far as social justice, sorry social justice, and racial doses, as far as the covid to people who are in leadership rolls, everyone's got a different opinion about what's going on. Everyone feels a different way and people are are at odds with each other right now. So it can definitely weigh a lot on your mental health and I know this past weekend was national mental health, Mental Health Awareness Day or whatever it was, but I think I should be an ongoing thing. We should always try to monitor how we're feeling to make sure that we're still okay mentally, because it's a tough time. It's tough for everybody right now. When you when you were a kid and there was mother's Day and father's Day, did you ever ask your parents when as Children's Day? Every day? Is True, right, right, every day should be mental health day, and not just not just now. I mean it's just this is something that I think what will hopefully, what I would like to see come out of all of this is an awareness of how essential and maybe even a change, maybe even be a different term, instead of mental health, which I think has this connotation for people. Right, it's but what they talk about in schools, the social emotional wellbeing for kids. Maybe it'll somehow change, that'll be the term for it, but it will still be the connection of how we're how we're thinking and feeling, how those affect our actions, and then how what we think and feel, how that affects our actions, how that affects the rest of our health, because it's, yeah, so intertwined. is to be ridiculous. Yep, I agree, and I think it's much harder for something for you and I did do, which is detach. Sometimes it's good just to step away from everything that's happening and just spend some time with, you know, friends, family or doing something that you like to do, just to give yourself away to that. Just take a break from everything that's happening now. Like I said, unfortunately, in our world, your journalist, I work on broadcasting. It's kind of is what we do for a living, and so it's hard for us to step back, but even for us we should every once in a while just take a break and take some time for yourself. You know, take a walk or, you know, go see a movie or, in your in your home, get a Netflix or something like that. Just do something that you enjoy doing for a moment that's not involved with everything else that's happening. My sunflowers were about the only thing that made me happy, certainly a few weeks and we look at my window, at my sunflowers and I would be happy. Yeah, well, look at them. I look at the bees doing that little thing on the Sun of flowers and I'd be happy for a few minutes watching that. So yeah, and the last thing I want to say before we take our break is open conversation. I think is important to people sometimes gets so one sided on their thought process and they just push away whatever anybody else is saying, and that's kind of why we do this show so we can kind of just get our thoughts out there and talk to one another about what we think. And we don't always agree. We agree with a lot of things, but we don't always agree. But at the end of the day, I never like you less or anything like that. We have a nice open discussion about what's happening. It's you know, it's not confrontational, it's just we're trying to understand all sides of what people are feeling and I think that's healthy. I think it's good to talk in that manner versus the being in the table and yelling your point, trying to understand where each other's coming from so you can come to you can find a common ground. I think there is. I think there now is a sense of urgency and listening. You made me think of that. That conversation takes time. It takes time to arrange your thoughts, it takes time to have the conversation. It's not, you know, a screen, what woo, whoever, to whatever. Two people are talking about whatever topic, to make it a conversation and then to bring about change takes time and there are people who have had enough with time and they have run out of patients and they want it done six years ago. Yeah, and that, and I think understanding that helps people who say you, you know, I think of the I think of a cat Stephen Song. You know, it's not time to make a change. Just sit back, take it slowly. You're so much you have to go, you know, learn and things like that. No, people were saying no, no, this time. Now, I don't want to wait, and that, and that's that's the thing. I...

...think we're seeing this this generational struggle with the protest we have. We have people who've been through protests in the s s saying you need to let these things play out, and we have younger people who haven't seen that yet. Know, we know, we did it your way and we're still look where we still are. Now. We're going to do it our way. Well it. You don't want it to be glacial about glacial glaciers are notting faster than they used to. So yeah, that up a little bit, but things, things will happen in their time. I think we need to stay on this topic, but I think that the tactic needs to shift from all confrontation to let's remember what got us to this point, point and now let's let's keep it in front of people in it in a different way. Well, woman I work with professionally has a quote at the end of her emails, and they have said this last week she has one from Ruth Bete to Ginsburg. Fight for what you believe in, but do it in a way that brings others along and I think that will combat to fatigue that you were talking about for earlier. You bring so much wisdom it kills me sometimes. That I appreciate, Daddy. Thank you so much, and I also I always have to reminder me one that we actually did have have headline news before our topics. So don't forget. If you want to check out the full versions of the headlines that you heard, go ahead and visit the minority reporter dotnet. That's minority reporter dotnet. You get the full versions of all the headline news that you heard. You also have the option to subscribe there, so I certainly suggest you do that. Supporting local journalism, especially in these times, very important because those journalists reflects the stories that are important to you and your community. So you got to support them for them to support you. So go ahead and subscribe when you see that option. There you got the chats. You can get hard copies or you can do the digital whichever one you prefer, go ahead and subscribe. And don't forget, if you missed any of this addition of inside the margins, go to our website inside the merge's Radiocom you can hear the full version of this one or any of the ones that we've done past out patty. Thank you so much. Always appreciate your company. Thank you, Matt. Always always want to do it again next Monday. I when we put in like hell do only we maybe deal with to people who go right Monday. All right, we're gonna go take a break. If we back with some final thoughts, this is in said the margins will be right back. Welcome back to inside the margins. Okay, some final thoughts now. I don't normally like to do this self promotion thing. Usually just like to have a good show with good topics, and that's pretty much what we do, just kind of get positive messages out there. But I'm excited that the rock city showcase is back. That was a side show that I was doing. It was just a podcast and oh it was really is. I was interviewed interviewing some great people in and around Rochester just kind of telling their story, all positive stories about what they're doing is make people aware of all the cool things that Rochter has offer, you know, local talent, local restaurants, local places to drink, local everything, artists, you know whatever, and kind of put that on the back burn so I can focus on inside the margins and some other things. But I've had the opportunity to bring it back. It's in a longer format. We also have now incorporated music into the show, so you get to hear some some songs that I enjoy and I will, you know, talk about those songs as well. And I mean it's great because, I said, if those of you who know me know, I come from a music background. My original start in radio was as a music DJ or, as you people can say, a jock. So to get back to my roots, it's kind of a cool thing. But I get to mesh both. I get to be a jock but also still bring interviews with local artists and local businesses and local restaurant urs and things of that nature. So it's a cool thing. You can still find it. It's still available on inside the margins RADIOCOM. If you go there you'll see the rock city showcase tab and if you click on that you can check out some of the older, the straight podcast versions of inside the margins and now the newest one that we did, the radio long two hour version of the show, is there as well. You get to hear some songs from local artists like Quittona PBX. I've interview with John Earl Ab who is the owner of robocks brewery. I got some beats from a producer who produces with BMI, Dave the beat miser. So...

...it's kind of cool to get back into that thing and it's a very cool format. So I definitely hope you check it out. You can find it everywhere. You find inside the margin, so just look at the look there for it and usually every Friday or soul we have that show available on inside the margins RADIOCOM. So I hope you check it out. I got some great guests in the lineup, people that you probably have heard of before, so I'm looking forward to getting back into that makes me busier. Of course I'm stremely busy, but it's okay. It's okay to be that kind of busy because I'm doing things that I love to do. So just want to put that out there. That's my final thoughts this week. I know, a cheesy but I'll I'll take it this with. Next week we will be back into talking about topics and and all the stuff that's important to you. But please, when you get a chance, check out the rock city showcase and if you are an artist or business and you want to get in touch with me to be a guest on the show, please go ahead reach out to me. It's Matt Wilson at inside the margins RADIOCOM. That's Matt Wilson Too, Tis and Matt Wilson at inside the margins RADIOCOM. I'll be happy to talk to you. We'll see if we get you on the show. All right, that'll do it for this week. Until next time. This is Matt Wilson. Sign it off. We'll see you next time on inside the margins. Do you have a topic that you would like to discussed on inside the margins? We would love to hear from you. Please send your thoughts, comments or questions to inside margins at gmailcom.

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